Oh, no... please don't say you're being serious.


He's a professional singer, he should take care of his voice as the most important thing in his world. You see people like Steven Tyler and Axle Rose going for surgery and coming back excellent, but no... the CEO of a major company can't do that.

And never forget this, he's not a karaoke singer, he's a professional singer. If he can't sing anymore, do a real treatment or quit.

Well I can understand how his voice might not sound as bad when you're in the actual arena with distractions but I don't see how fans couldn't hear his total lack of vocal power and breathing issues.

I saw Whitesnake and Def Leppard a few years ago and I could hear the cracks in Coverdale and Elliott's voices, they weren't anywhere near as bad as Jon's voice but I had no problem hearing the flaws.

Dude, come on.

I don't known if it's the correct term in English, but it's just affective memory of their past. Be real to yourself, if a new band comes up exactly like this and the lead singer sounds that awful live, would it make you interested?

Agreed. For me, at the Nashville show, the only song I could actually hear a struggle on was HAND and a bit of Prayer but I don't go to the show honing in on ONLY Jon's vocals. I'm watching/listening to the entire band and watching the production as well. If Jon was up there singing acappella with a quiet audience yes everyone would notice but that's not what is going on. As you said, people are singing themselves and badly lol! Plus, I'm not going to nail Jon to a cross over and over again on his vocal struggles. Believe me, he's listening back to the performances and he's harder on himself then anyone here can or will be. If he was mailing in performances (as I've seen him do occasionally in my 30+ years of seeing this band live) then I'd be a lot more critical. But, he and the band are giving their all. That's all I want for the dollars I pay for a ticket.

Bon Jovi apologists.

More like the opinion of someone who has been to a show. You are entitled to your opinion as am I and I'm standing by mine whether it's a popular one or not.

Yeah, like this changes anything.

I went to a couple of their shows and I could notice when he was struggling. Hell, did you watch Rock In Rio?? It's still debated these days by music fans the shitty set list and Jon's performance. The live broadcast certainly didn't help Jon to hide his singing in a very loud environment like he does for people like you.

Oh, so what Gabriel? BJ will exist as long as people will buy their records and go their concerts even if it means somehow destroying the legacy by steady deterioration of their output...which still isn't a problem for many. The whole discussion is not even speculating or trying to find out the story behind it but plain recycling the very same phrases and beating the dead horse over and over again (voice is shot, come off the stage already!). The voice is gone because JBJ sounded "like magic" when he and RS sang together and now he's the only one fronting the stage, even if there are some extra musicians on stage. If Jon isn't ashamed of the quality and is still singing live then good for him. I think there's much to it than just pleasing the fans. JBJ wanted to stop touring altogether and it was Shanks if I remember correctly who dared him not to give up. Some say he's struggling with his psychological issues, low self-esteem or whatever is going on in his mind. Others claim he's having some serious health issues. I think there's grain of truth in each of them so that it makes a whole different story.

I was bothered at first. Even joined the bandwagon so that JBJ is one money driven ever hungry egomaniac who just wants to buy out the world. He IS expensive, for many a rip off, but the shows are long, skillfully organised and conducted, almost all over the world, so a lot of fans can't complain. I personally won't see them live but I understand those who still want to go, especially if they have been to their concerts before and enjoyed them. Now I rest my case. If I don't like it, I don't listen to it but instead, go back to the fond memories of better days. Bitching about Jon being shameless enough to go out and perform in such a state won't make him cancel the tour anyway. The guy has made the decision. Who knows, maybe this is truly the last tour ever.

To be clear, I'm not saying the vocals were not crappy but being at the show not listening back to a live recording I am being honest in that I couldn't hear it. I realize that astounds you but it's the honest opinion of someone there. I'm quite sure if I go and listen to what you have I would agree and say, "wow that sucked".

If you're aware that he has a lot of struggling with his singing and like it anyway, that's no problem to me. What I can't stand it's the reality distortion going on for some fans, that's very sick. You can still like something even admitting the the flaws.

Exactly. I disagree with the accusations Jon doesn't care. He said at the Greenville show he's been working on it because he doesn't want to disappoint us at the live shows.


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But there is nothing he or more so, you could do about it... You have two choices, live with it or walk away...

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I'm telling you, there's some serious hocus pocus shit going on at these shows. I noticed Jon struggle to reach a few notes at the Sunrise show, but I truly didn't realize how bad he sounded until I watched videos on YouTube the next day.

When you're there, especially on the floor where the crowd energy is high, his voice sounds fine. You simply don't pay attention to or notice each note or breath like you do watching a video or stream from your couch.

On video or live stream, he sounds like shit.

At the show, he sounds fine.

I'm glad it's not just me. I honestly didn't hear major problems when I was there. I may eventually hear the Birmingham official recording and think otherwise, but right now my hard drive is fried and I can't download it. So all I can go on is the experience I had, which was pleasant and something I enjoyed very much.

The reviews are positive too, so it's not just the fans that are under the spell if there is one.

Has there been one credible review that isn't a pun filled fluff piece by a local newspaper?

What does that even mean???

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If he doesn't agree with it, it's not credible.

Very True

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I'm living with it.

That doesn't mean I'll ever pretend everything's OK.

Haha, coming from the most biased fan girl on this forum that's very rich!

She'd give Jon a 5 star review if he stood on stage and read the ingredients off the back of a shampoo bottle.

This rdkopper lady seems quite unashamedly wacko about Jon too.

Except RD is a guy ha ha!!

even guys have a massive crush on Jon, then :D

Really?! Damn, I was getting serious female vibes!

And I automatically got vibes that you were a Jerkoff... I guess vibes can be right!!!

I'm sorry. I shouldn't have assumed your gender. It's just you came across as very feminine.

I just love this forum.

Now you're just repeating yourself to become a bigger asshole than you already are...

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JBJ himself isn't very masculine, either...not that it bothers me. It doesn't bother me at all :D

We have the best forum ever


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:-D:-D:-D:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

You're just as biased as I've ever been accused of being, only in a different direction.

What I don't get is why you're still here except to be a troll. At least most of the people here actually like Bon Jovi. You're just looking for reasons to criticize and hoping for the worst. What a sad way to spend your time. Aren't there things you like in this world? Why spend so much time on a subject you clearly get no joy from anymore?

I'm just trying to understand. You're free to be whoever you are. I wish you all the best friend.

You're Awkward Dude...

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He's obviously trying hard to rattle me... Just a weirdo...

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Bullshit. I rated the new album quite favourably and will always be as honest as I can be. Watching the current line up and performances interest me as a long time fan. If you think I'm here just to annoy you then you need to grow up a little and learn to deal with opposing opinions.

You could put me on ignore too if that helps, snowflake.

Bleeding Purist never checked in with a review of the show?


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How have I tried to rattle you? You mean Tictoc?

Snowflake?

WTF

The insults in this thread are ridiculous.

Sorry... Wrong Tic

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