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TheOriginalJez 02-22-2017 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1219328)
Sorry, what I meant was if they were planning on writing for the week and Richie doesn't fly over I assumed it would be from earlier in the week. You were right, if it was middle of the session odds are he'd be on the same coast. I was trying to find a way for that lyric to make sense.

They've def both gone on record about it, I just have a really hard time thinking of how those lyrics apply to Richie. Unless we're talking abut Jon writing about Richie and his dad from Richie's perspective then I for sure see it.
By that point his dad had died and Heather had gone and he's had his little pain pills episode, no? There's a bit in WWWB where Richie's talking about the song on a boat, he talks about his dad and 'all the changes in his life' and says WLOL is the only song he 'didn't write, but Jon was still writing about me, I believe.'

I always read the california line as being where all the shit's going down for Richie, so it's time to get him out of the funk and onto the road. I don't think it's a big reach to read that song as from Jon to Richie without any non-attendance subtext to be honest, at the time anyway. He used to talk about how Jon helped him get himself back on track around that time.

bjcrazycpa 02-22-2017 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1219336)
Glad you had a good time, despite the flaws! :-)



That sequence in WDR is one thing I mentioned on the other thread back then, but sadly nobody noticed or replied to it. On one video, the word "GREAT" even turned into "RAT" for a second, then out fo the lyrics they just showed some words, including "DEVIL", and so on. Can definitely see some political motivation on Jon's part here ;-)







Good to hear! I've been thinking about taking my then 5 year old daughter to the show next year, if they do come to Europe, but have been indecisive so far as to whether that's something for kids to enjoy or not. I'll probably give it a shot ;-)


Yes I've been meaning to mention that I believe the "political" moment that was mentioned on twitter a few shows back was due to the words flashing during this song. The word "resist" also appears.


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_KaMi_ 02-22-2017 01:54 PM
Jon himself is asking for help during the shows and nobody is listening to him

https://youtu.be/rQtwrdbzHvc?t=2m30s

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Walleris 02-22-2017 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by _KaMi_ (Post 1219345)
Jon himself is asking for help during the shows and nobody is listening to him

https://youtu.be/rQtwrdbzHvc?t=2m30s

:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
That part was actually pretty dope. I wish he did that whole verse in that slow style with Phil's licks in the background, not just the first two lines.

bonjovi90 02-22-2017 01:59 PM
Didn't someone say in this very thread that there are no screen this time? This looks an awful lot like a screen-recording to me:p

CaptainKiddOnSunset 02-22-2017 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOriginalJez (Post 1219339)
By that point his dad had died and Heather had gone and he's had his little pain pills episode, no? There's a bit in WWWB where Richie's talking about the song on a boat, he talks about his dad and 'all the changes in his life' and says WLOL is the only song he 'didn't write, but Jon was still writing about me, I believe.'

I always read the california line as being where all the shit's going down for Richie, so it's time to get him out of the funk and onto the road. I don't think it's a big reach to read that song as from Jon to Richie without any non-attendance subtext to be honest, at the time anyway. He used to talk about how Jon helped him get himself back on track around that time.
I remember watching the official video for this for the first time of this and thinking, did Richie die? It's clearly all about him...his dad, Heather, custody battle, booze. The video though is black and white JBJ alone in a hotel room with slow fading pics of Richie in the background. It feels like your watching a "in memory of Richie Sambora" video...

Perhaps Jon keeps it in the set because he misses his right hand man and can't believe it's come to this. Or he keeps it because he can.




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jovifan93 02-22-2017 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1219347)
Didn't someone say in this very thread that there are no screen this time? This looks an awful lot like a screen-recording to me:p
Maybe it's that piece of fabric they're projecting the intro on that's been hinted to make a re-appearance here and there during the set. But yeah, you're right...

_KaMi_ 02-22-2017 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1219347)
Didn't someone say in this very thread that there are no screen this time? This looks an awful lot like a screen-recording to me:p
I think he/she was talking about screens on the stage only. Those are (if I'm not mistaken) the screens up high in the middle of the arena hanging on the ceiling. I think it's called jumbotron and people on the floor can't see it . Someone correct me if I'm making this up xD

bjcrazycpa 02-22-2017 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by _KaMi_ (Post 1219350)
I think he/she was talking about screens on the stage only. Those are (if I'm not mistaken) the screens up high in the middle of the arena hanging on the ceiling. I think it's called jumbotron and people on the floor can't see it . Someone correct me if I'm making this up xD
You are absolutely correct. There aren't any fancy video walls on/around stage this tour but the normal projection screens are around the arena.

bonjovi90 02-22-2017 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1219351)
You are absolutely correct. There aren't any fancy video walls on/around stage this tour but the normal projection screens are around the arena.
That's what I thought. I had just been wondering since the last time that proper video screens (that actually showed footage of the band playing) were included in the stage design had been on the HAND tour. After that it was animations only and even on the WAN tour they had these columns in the back and no screens.
But thanks for clearing it up!

jovifan93 02-22-2017 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1219352)
That's what I thought. I had just been wondering since the last time that proper video screens (that actually showed footage of the band playing) were included in the stage design had been on the HAND tour. After that it was animations only and even on the WAN tour they had these columns in the back and no screens.
But thanks for clearing it up!
No, on the TC tour, they had (moving) screens showing live footage, too. At least indoors like in Paris.

Tictoc 02-22-2017 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bounce442 (Post 1219332)
I'm back. It was fun, but bitter sweet. Jon is every bit the frontman he was 10-17 years ago.
I don't get it.

How is he every bit the frontman that he was in 2000 when he doesn't move around the stage at all now? Leaving the vocal decline to the side, there's still a massive difference.

_KaMi_ 02-22-2017 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1219352)
That's what I thought. I had just been wondering since the last time that proper video screens (that actually showed footage of the band playing) were included in the stage design had been on the HAND tour. After that it was animations only and even on the WAN tour they had these columns in the back and no screens.
But thanks for clearing it up!
I suppose you're talking about arenas in the USA, right? Shows in Europe in 2010/2011 had this massive semi-circle screen where the band was shown very often and two large vertical screens at both sides of the stage that show the band all the time. In 2013 they kept the lateral screens.

bounce442 02-22-2017 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tictoc (Post 1219360)
I don't get it.
How is he every bit the frontman that he was in 2000 when he doesn't move around the stage at all now? Leaving the vocal decline to the side, there's still a massive difference.
He hasn’t lost the ability to keep the audience engaged, despite his vocal condition. Last night he moved around a lot- guitar solos, intros, outros, BM, WGIGO, and a few others.

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1219347)
Didn't someone say in this very thread that there are no screen this time? This looks an awful lot like a screen-recording to me:p
I’m sorry for not being more clear. Last night the only screens I could (barely) see were small and mounted high to sides of the stage to serve the 200/300 levels to the sides (and maybe back – didn’t see). As far as I could tell, screens could not be seen from the floor or the 100’s, 200's, 300's facing the stage.

RyanBounce05 02-22-2017 05:52 PM
Hey All!

I can't access my old profile, didn't know if a moderator could help me with that?!? I had to register a new username... Hope everyone is well. I know it's been awhile. Last night was.... well... interesting.

I was one of the fortunate few who got to see Richie perform one of his last shows 4 years ago right here in OKC. So this was a very different experience altogether.

The good... Stage setup was cool and the wristband for the audio files is pretty awesome. You can view it up close on my Twitter @RyanBounce04. I complained early about the crowd being thin, but 2 songs into the set, it was full. Props to Phil X. A lot of good vibes and energy. Very professional. The moment Jon screwed up Bad Medicine and started signing he 2nd verse instead of the first was fantastic and I caught it unlike 99% of people around me so it made it that much better. The amount of young people was encouraging as well! So many new young fans just goes to show what kind of staying power the guys have. Finally, the experience having free WIFI provided by the band, and the ability to use the APP during the show.

The bad... set list. A. No diversity. And I know it's because of the other new band members lack of knowledge in regards to the catalogue as well as the deterioration of Jons voice. It's a bummer it has to be that way. I'd also say that Jon just looked tired about 10 songs into the set. He really struggled towards the end of the show to hit notes and it's pretty obvious why the set list was that much shorter. New songs in the middle of the show really just turned people off. It was such a lull and it wasn't until the end of Devil that Jon had said that it's nothing but hits from now on, which drove everyone around me to their feet. My final complaint is the contrary to what I said about Phil X above... I can't stand that Richie isn't there anymore and Jon mentioned him numerous times. He misses him for sure. We all do. It's not Bon Jovi without the King of Swing. It never will be in my opinion.

Thanks to those that followed and thanks to those that posted my live tweets for you all! Now can someone help me get a new password for my old account?!? LOL

Ryan

bjcrazycpa 02-22-2017 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by RyanBounce05 (Post 1219375)
Hey All!

I can't access my old profile, didn't know if a moderator could help me with that?!? I had to register a new username... Hope everyone is well. I know it's been awhile. Last night was.... well... interesting.

I was one of the fortunate few who got to see Richie perform one of his last shows 4 years ago right here in OKC. So this was a very different experience altogether.

The good... Stage setup was cool and the wristband for the audio files is pretty awesome. You can view it up close on my Twitter @RyanBounce04. I complained early about the crowd being thin, but 2 songs into the set, it was full. Props to Phil X. A lot of good vibes and energy. Very professional. The moment Jon screwed up Bad Medicine and started signing he 2nd verse instead of the first was fantastic and I caught it unlike 99% of people around me so it made it that much better. The amount of young people was encouraging as well! So many new young fans just goes to show what kind of staying power the guys have. Finally, the experience having free WIFI provided by the band, and the ability to use the APP during the show.

The bad... set list. A. No diversity. And I know it's because of the other new band members lack of knowledge in regards to the catalogue as well as the deterioration of Jons voice. It's a bummer it has to be that way. I'd also say that Jon just looked tired about 10 songs into the set. He really struggled towards the end of the show to hit notes and it's pretty obvious why the set list was that much shorter. New songs in the middle of the show really just turned people off. It was such a lull and it wasn't until the end of Devil that Jon had said that it's nothing but hits from now on, which drove everyone around me to their feet. My final complaint is the contrary to what I said about Phil X above... I can't stand that Richie isn't there anymore and Jon mentioned him numerous times. He misses him for sure. We all do. It's not Bon Jovi without the King of Swing. It never will be in my opinion.

Thanks to those that followed and thanks to those that posted my live tweets for you all! Now can someone help me get a new password for my old account?!? LOL

Ryan
Good to see you here again Ryan! Thanks for your review of the show!! Not sure if you remember, that the very first time I saw Bon Jovi was at the Lloyd Noble Center in Norman back on July 24,1985 on the Farenheit tour (my brother wanted to see Ratt who they were opening for) so Oklahoma is near and dear to my heart!!

Kathleen 02-22-2017 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOriginalJez (Post 1219339)
By that point his dad had died and Heather had gone and he's had his little pain pills episode, no? There's a bit in WWWB where Richie's talking about the song on a boat, he talks about his dad and 'all the changes in his life' and says WLOL is the only song he 'didn't write, but Jon was still writing about me, I believe.'

I always read the california line as being where all the shit's going down for Richie, so it's time to get him out of the funk and onto the road. I don't think it's a big reach to read that song as from Jon to Richie without any non-attendance subtext to be honest, at the time anyway. He used to talk about how Jon helped him get himself back on track around that time.
Here is what I was talking about earlier when I said that Whole Lot of Leavin' was about Richie. This is Jon at a very small venue in New York City talking about his work and singing some songs.

Eveline 02-22-2017 08:33 PM
oh, I remember that video now! I knew I've heard it somewhere before... ;)

hackster73 02-22-2017 09:46 PM
I asked Phil X about dropping certain songs...

@TheRealPhilX hey Phil. Any reason always, blood on blood and Saturday have been dropped from the set?

@HackStuart not "dropped". Jon likes switching things up as he's fully aware that a lot of fans attend multiple shows.

Interesting that it is thought that the set has been changed to accommodate repeat customers.

bjcrazycpa 02-22-2017 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1219389)
I asked Phil X about dropping certain songs...

@TheRealPhilX hey Phil. Any reason always, blood on blood and Saturday have been dropped from the set?

@HackStuart not "dropped". Jon likes switching things up as he's fully aware that a lot of fans attend multiple shows.

Interesting that it is thought that the set has been changed to accommodate repeat customers.
Thanks for sharing that. You reminded me he did ask for questions on twitter so I'm playing catch up and reading that now lol!

ThePunisher 02-22-2017 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RyanBounce05 (Post 1219375)
Hey All!

I can't access my old profile, didn't know if a moderator could help me with that?!? I had to register a new username... Hope everyone is well. I know it's been awhile. Last night was.... well... interesting.

I was one of the fortunate few who got to see Richie perform one of his last shows 4 years ago right here in OKC. So this was a very different experience altogether.

The good... Stage setup was cool and the wristband for the audio files is pretty awesome. You can view it up close on my Twitter @RyanBounce04. I complained early about the crowd being thin, but 2 songs into the set, it was full. Props to Phil X. A lot of good vibes and energy. Very professional. The moment Jon screwed up Bad Medicine and started signing he 2nd verse instead of the first was fantastic and I caught it unlike 99% of people around me so it made it that much better. The amount of young people was encouraging as well! So many new young fans just goes to show what kind of staying power the guys have. Finally, the experience having free WIFI provided by the band, and the ability to use the APP during the show.

The bad... set list. A. No diversity. And I know it's because of the other new band members lack of knowledge in regards to the catalogue as well as the deterioration of Jons voice. It's a bummer it has to be that way. I'd also say that Jon just looked tired about 10 songs into the set. He really struggled towards the end of the show to hit notes and it's pretty obvious why the set list was that much shorter. New songs in the middle of the show really just turned people off. It was such a lull and it wasn't until the end of Devil that Jon had said that it's nothing but hits from now on, which drove everyone around me to their feet. My final complaint is the contrary to what I said about Phil X above... I can't stand that Richie isn't there anymore and Jon mentioned him numerous times. He misses him for sure. We all do. It's not Bon Jovi without the King of Swing. It never will be in my opinion.

Thanks to those that followed and thanks to those that posted my live tweets for you all! Now can someone help me get a new password for my old account?!? LOL

Ryan

The whole first show in Greenville, it was like Jon hadn't gotten over losing his puppy. Having heard all the shows so far, he's still in the grieving process it seems.

hackster73 02-22-2017 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1219391)
Thanks for sharing that. You reminded me he did ask for questions on twitter so I'm playing catch up and reading that now lol!
No problem. Hope things are good in NJ.

Eveline 02-22-2017 10:37 PM
I can't apprehend how you guys just can't take in the fact that a close friend is like your family, your mother, your wife, and actually losing that person most probably have scarred you for life. I grieve people who were significant ones for me for a few years but 30+ years? Come on, it's like a divorce. You can't just get over it in a moment and all you can do is plaster a fake smile and pretend it's OK, time to move on. Well, the guys moved on but it's just the facade. The machine is rolling on and the emotions are pouring over like the tears that have never really dried up. I don't want to feel soppy, I just know real things in life are indifferent to time and space and they are either there or not. I feel for Jon, I really do. I'm sure Richie is dealing with it on his own way. We're just the spectators and we can only make wishful thinking or throw tantrums like little kids. Time will tell.

bjcrazycpa 02-22-2017 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1219395)
No problem. Hope things are good in NJ.
They are excellent. With madness at work in NYC!

Captmorgs 02-23-2017 02:41 AM
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Originally Posted by bounce442 (Post 1219332)
I'm back. It was fun, but bitter sweet. Jon is every bit the frontman he was 10-17 years ago. I didn't really notice any autopilot. He was "there" and he kept the crowd entertained. He seemed happy to be here and grateful we bought tickets.



As you've seen, the set wasn't great. Work was out and WWBTF is back... which I was good with. With the state Jon's vocals were in tonight, I'm not sure if I would have wanted to hear BOB or Saturday Night.



His storyteller section with the new songs (Mess, Scars, Devil) went over really well, mainly because of his communication with the crowd. He was chatty. Out of the 3, Scars went over best (cell phones lights everywhere) and Devil was the low point out of the 3, but IMO it was pretty damn good. He made the same comment after, "From now on, hits and nothing but the hits for the rest of the night"



The two songs I was most excited to see were Rollercoaster and We Don't Run. We Don't Run ended up being my favorite song of the night... it was almost worth the price of the ticket. Speaking of WDR... I hadn't heard any more about Jon's political comments a week or two ago but I think I might have figured it out... towards the beginning of WDR the graphics show "Great Again! Great Again! ...Nothing lasts forever" I don't know... but that may have been it. Again, it was great.



Yes, he stopped the band during the first verse of bad medicine. He said he started singing the 2nd verse... And yes, he blamed it on a "senior moment". They started the song over. Toward the end of the song, he said something like, "I'm going to get a kiss" and he climbed off stage, walked along the front row - I didn't see it but the crowd got louder for a moment.



Oh yeah, there are no screens this tour. They have a great light show and some sort of fabric (that graphics are projected on) that falls for a few songs (WDR to Guitar), but that's it. First BJ show I've seen without screens.



The Lost Highway and WLOL combo was the low point for the crowd, I'd say. Vocally, WSYCGH, BM, BTBMB, and HAND were pretty bad... okay really bad. His vocal mix was pretty low and the band covered for him as much as they could. He looked like he was in so much pain. You can tell he's trying. I believe he gave it 100% but his voice is gone.



My kids had fun. They got tired around SWID (bed time), but would bounce back for the songs they liked. They did really well for a 4 and 6 year old.



Next stop Dallas... here's hoping Ghost will get its tour debut.


Thanks for the detailed review. I'm headed to Vegas on Saturday. Hoping for the best. I was already looking forward to We Don't Run, and you've confirmed my anticipation!


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bjcrazycpa 02-23-2017 03:39 AM
Not stuck behind the mic here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=WXwrbkycq8Q


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bounce442 02-23-2017 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1219412)
Thanks for the detailed review. I'm headed to Vegas on Saturday. Hoping for the best. I was already looking forward to We Don't Run, and you've confirmed my anticipation!


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Have fun! I saw them in Vegas in 2011 and I remember the crowd being LOUD! I think we got Dry County that night. I hope it's a great show for you. I'm looking forward to hearing about it

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1219417)
Not stuck behind the mic here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=WXwrbkycq8Q


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There it is! Thanks for posting.

efpg0708 02-23-2017 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1219389)
I asked Phil X about dropping certain songs...

@TheRealPhilX hey Phil. Any reason always, blood on blood and Saturday have been dropped from the set?

@HackStuart not "dropped". Jon likes switching things up as he's fully aware that a lot of fans attend multiple shows.

Interesting that it is thought that the set has been changed to accommodate repeat customers.
How come they are playing the same set every night then ? I really don't understand.

Faceman 02-23-2017 08:09 AM
What do you expect Phil to say?
That he hates the set and doesn't know what the hell Jon is doing? He's on his paylist ;)

Eveline 02-23-2017 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1219423)
What do you expect Phil to say?
That he hates the set and doesn't know what the hell Jon is doing? He's on his paylist ;)
Phil is doing what a lot of fans aren't that is carpe diem. He's here and now and it's a crazy experience!

cowboy2002 02-23-2017 03:49 PM
https://youtu.be/xijv2xttJqw

Do I hear a little improvement from the previous week or so??

bonjovi90 02-23-2017 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by cowboy2002 (Post 1219446)
https://youtu.be/xijv2xttJqw

Do I hear a little improvement from the previous week or so??
Just wachted the section with LYHOM and Bad Medicine and I honestly don't hear any improvement.

jovifan93 02-23-2017 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1219447)
Just wachted the section with LYHOM and Bad Medicine and I honestly don't hear any improvement.
While there are still some wrong notes in there, it's definitely an improvement over the last 2-3 shows, if not even better than on night one!

JackieBlue 02-23-2017 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1219379)
Here is what I was talking about earlier when I said that Whole Lot of Leavin' was about Richie. This is Jon at a very small venue in New York City talking about his work and singing some songs.

Jon Bon Jovi plays "Whole Lot of Leavin'" acoustic at Lincoln Center NYC 11/16/2009 - YouTube

Thanks for posting this, Kathleen. I'd never seen it before, so it was interesting to hear Jon's comments.

I can't say I got the same impression from them that you did, but that's not surprising. I guess we all tend to hear things a little differently based on our own personal histories.

That's one of the reasons I love the quote in your siggy. :)

gabriele 02-23-2017 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1219455)
While there are still some wrong notes in there, it's definitely an improvement over the last 2-3 shows, if not even better than on night one!
I think it's the first time that i heard true difficulty in we weren't Born to follow

Rdkopper 02-23-2017 08:05 PM
Overall, I don't really mind what I'm seeing or hearing...

People who are saying that he's glued to the mic is such complete bullshit... No, he's not running around like he's 35 and no, it's not every song but to say he's glued is complete and utter bullshit...

Second, his vocals are both hot and cold... Not total trash like everyone is saying... I'm hear some really decent ones too...

At the end of this tour, we will put together a nice montage of highlighted moments just the way everyone is doing now with The Circle Tour...

Here is a cool Fan Made Video Of Saturday Night from Atlanta... Thanks Damned!!!

Faceman 02-23-2017 08:32 PM
That Saturday Night performance wasn't bad at all. Yeah, at some parts he's struggling but not failing. I expected worse.

Kathleen 02-23-2017 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1219456)
That's one of the reasons I love the quote in your siggy. :)
Thanks, it's one of my favorites

The show that video was from was quite an anomaly. It was at Alice Tully Hall in Lincoln Center in NYC and it was a dialogue between David Bergman and Jon (and some musical friends). It was sponsored by American Express and tickets were $50.00. I was there that night and I can tell you that wasn't the only time that Jon talked about Richie. It would be wrong to say the whole show was an ode to Richie - but it was damn close. Jon dedicated the final song to Richie - wherever he was that night. I think plenty more videos are on youtube, you should watch them if you have time (or interest). It was a hell of a show with a lot of insight.

At the end was a Q & A which was also awesome. I authored a complete DVD from that show many years ago, with the help of many people who shared their video. It was shared on Seb's old forum. I don't know if it's out there somewhere.

Thinny 02-23-2017 08:48 PM
That Sat, Night performance is probably the best I've seen so far from this tour, but there are still moments that make me cringe. It's not even the fact of not hitting the notes, it's more that his whole style of singing has completely changed. His phrasing is completely different and obviously there are still notes he's not even attempting. The way he sings some parts, reminds me of the way that he sings the acoustic version, just with the band instead. If anyone is thinking that this is a "hot" performance vocally, then the standards of expectation have severely dropped. It's no more than a decent performance...but that's the best we can currently hope for...

jazzsta 02-23-2017 08:58 PM
yeah and as stated in another thread, with crowd sound exapmle, in this soundboard version , as probably with all, Jon's pitch has been corrected, that's why you hear no mistakes.


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