And that's exactly what the song is... live and in the studio... I like the song, but it does nothing for me as a live song

1. This House
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name
4. Lost Highway
5. Whole lot of leavin
6. Roller Coaster
7. Born To Follow
8. Sleep
9. We Got It Goin On
10. Who Says
11. It's My Life
12. We Don't Run
13. God Bless This Mess
14. Scars On This Guitar
15. Devils In the Temple
16. Lay Your Hands
17. Born To Be My Baby
18. Have a Nice Day
19. Bad Rx
20. Faith

21. Labor of Love
22. Wanted
23. Prayer

Not gonna get into the voice debate.... But when he tails off notes sounding like a girl I cringe. He may not have much of a voice left but that's not making it sound better at all.

No Blood On Blood or Saturday Night again.


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For f*cks sake.... Of all of the new songs why not Born Again Tomorrow?.. Would be a much better encore opener than Labor of Love and IMO a song that the crowd might actually be into.

I don't get the love for Born Again Tomorrow.
To me it's pretty much the worst song they ever did.

If they played Born Again Tomorrow at a gig I was at I would cover my ears.

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Agree. Born Again Tomorrow would be much better than Labor Of Love.


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I think it's a really modern song for them. Has a heavy beat especially after the first chorus when it drops.

I think it, along with Rollercoaster, has great potential to get radio play here in the US. (If there was any promotion of the album...)

What do you guys think of this set list I came up with? I figure they could easily manage it.

1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Knockout
3. Bad Name
4. One Wild Night
5. Story Of My Life / Bounce (rotation)
6. Rollercoaster
7. Who Says / Lost Highway (rotation)
8. We Got It Going On / Sleep When I'm Dead (rotation)
9. It's My Life
10. We Don't Run
11. Born To Be My Baby
12. God Bless This Mess
13. Wild Is The Wind / Stick To Your Guns / Wild In The Streets (rotation)
14. Born Again Tomorrow / Living With The Ghost (rotation)
15. The Devil's In The Temple / New Year's Day (rotation)
16. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
17. Lay Your Hands On Me
18. Have A Nice Day
19. Bad Medicine
20. Keep The Faith
*******
21. Blood On Blood
22. Always / Bed Of Roses / I'll Be There For You (rotation)
23. Wanted
24. Livin On A Prayer
*******
25. Never Say Goodbye (acoustic) / [literally anything else] (acoustic)

Full show... https://www.periscope.tv/w/a35wgjFyY...XkiEH0huFFI00L

Well, with all this whining and complaining about the setlists and Jon's voice, its a good thing none of you went to this concert, then you would have ruined it for the rest of the audience that actually had a good time, and unlike you guys, were physically there, and enjoying the show with no worrys about voice, set lists or anything, just having fun, maybe you guys should try it some time, instead of obsessing about the technicalities of a show, and just have fun! You guys remember how to have fun, right?

Oh wow.. An actual sensible post.. Couldn't agree more

i´m with you, not the worst, but nothing special.. 2/5

Could you please explain how several people who care and complain on this forum about what you describe as 'technicalities' of the show can "ruin it for the rest of the audience"?

Very simple, you don't go to concerts to analyze how the sound iworking or worry about if the lead singer is singing totally off key or wonder if he would sing the songs that are up to your "standards" you know who does this? music critics that go to the show to write the reviews, fans go to have a good time with their friends and family and to forget their troubles. And that is how many of you are sounding like, music critics, and you know what they say about critics and people who give opinions, opinions are like a**holes, everyone has one.

Two shows in a row without Working Man? And they add another THINFS song? This deserves a slow clap. Well done guys

I'd love BOB and Sat. Night back but voice wise it's a good decision. I'd rather be takes care of his voice and they make a comeback later than end up with the whole TLFR album when Jon loses his voice for good

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I see your point, but I have two issues with it:
1) Your first sentence - you don't tell people why they go to concerts. Someone with a musical background or a more trained ear may go to see a high quality musical performance (something Jon was much more capable just a few years ago) and thus have much lower tolerance levels for his (very obvious) shortcomings than you or 'the rest of the audience' and there's nothing wrong with expressing it;
2) Again, you only explained their (our) behavior, but not how it ruins the show for the rest of the audience. If someone critiques the show on a forum or even website review it has no influence on whether I like it or not. Any possible feedback happens after the fact.

Are you suggesting that people should not share their criticisms and opinions on a discussion board? People aren't allowed to have gripes with anything? If the band did nothing but play Army of One 23 times at a show would you then allow people to criticise? This is a discussion, people are allowed to share their opinions. Right now you're being downright rude, attacking people who are doing no more than voicing their distaste for a certain element of the set list or for Jon's voice. Who are you to decide that a person doesn't know how to have fun, simply because they prefer some songs over others.

There's one extra asshole here, and you're it.

Agreed. It's appalling.

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I believe she meant that people like "you" (whoever she meant) would also actually go to the shows and criticize there all the time, thereby ruining it for the other people around them in the arena who just wanna have fun...

Yes, and I still don't get how that "ruins it" for others, unless I'm with there with a megaphone criticizing Jon's missed notes for 20 thousand people to hear at that moment.

That I'll pay to see. The music stops and a panel of judges appear out of nowhere and start bitching about the performance

"Stop Jon, no no no, that was atrocious. This is the worst singing I've ever heard"

(It's a joke folks, I'd rather listen to current Jon than Adele)

Once again, if you don't like people discussing Bon Jovi on a Bon Jovi discussion board then I suggest this is not the right place for you. You constantly are coming across as very childish. This board has been discussing Bon Jovi tours and play by play setlists for many, many years. If you can't get your head around any criticism or constructive input on Bon Jovi I suggest you give the threads a swerve.

People are perfectly within their rights to call out things that are good and bad. I can easily sit here in London and give my opinions on a setlist in Dallas. I can also quite happily see when Jon is singing like a donkey as well. This doesn't take anything away from people being there and enjoying it - they can all love it, and no matter how bad the voice is or the setlist is, I still enjoy seeing my favourite band playing their songs live and my opinions on a show I'm at will be vastly different from one I wasn't - that doesn't make either opinion less valid.

This came up on my feed after watching a few Dallas videos. It is unbelievable how different of a band they were from just 5 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=SmQiqXyjJ20

Really? They only lost a key band member there big guy!!!

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I love how people with zero common sense make comments on 'how different they are'

So let's break it down...

1.Different doesn't mean bad

2. They lost Richie Sambora a monster guitarist...

3. Add three new members including 2 guitarists and a percussionist...

4. Jon's older... 5 years in your 20s doesn't mean shit... 5 years from your late 40s to 50s does...

5. So factor in all the above and news flash... Yes, they are going to be ****ing different from 5 years ago!!!


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Well, actually it's been 7 years, but nitpicking aside - yes, the difference in Jon from 2010/11 and 2016/17 is huge. He looks much older (most of that due to the hair of course) and more mature/not so much like a rock star as he used to, moves less, and can't sing nearly half as good as he used to. I didn't see this coming to be honest. Did you?

So that actually is a huge decline in just about 5 years IMO. I know Richie factors into that on a psychological level, and that does affect Jon, but to that degree? I don't know...

Doesn't mean I don't still like 'em though. Always will!

^

Maybe because BJ vocals were actually always delivered by two people? ;] Once one is gone, the magic is lost and it doesn't necessarily means the other one has completely lost it. It's just a lot weaker and exposed.

Hmm, no, that would only apply to the passages of the songs where both Jon & Richie were singing. There's always been > 75% where Jon sang alone, only stronger, more confident and higher then nowadays (though maybe more nasally, as well)...

Did I see it coming??? Absolutely!!! I saw the vocal decline from '10 to '11 to '13 to '15 to now... I knew this day would come... we've had these discussions years ago... Seb actually called it...

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Pretty much. You can still make the comparison of the songs Jon sings with no backing vocals today and a few years ago. Saying there was always two vocals is a stretch.

Yes, totally agree with you. I've always said, would I want Richie back yes, but ONLY if he truly wants to be there. I am one of the few digging the excitement and energy that Phil brings.

I love Phils energy and enthusiasm - plus the guy can really play........but its not Richie. Its hard to replace someone who has been in the band for nearly 30 years but.....Trouble is Richie isnt Richie anymore either so unless he cleans up it would be pointless having him back.

I'm kinda shocked that we continue to be in denial. Thw aren't the same band and it isn't better. I'm not sure how much different the set lists would be if Richie was back because it's completely apparent that Jon can't sing some of the songs they were playing 5 years ago. Consider it a tribute from the long time fans to be a little upset that they aren't hearing some of the songs that they grew up loving.

I don't know about you, but I'm not ready for Bon Jovi to be a tourist attraction that people only go to see for 3 songs.

Ryan

This user has some vids:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0c...w=0&shelf_id=0

THINFS, YGLABN, LH, Who Says, IML, LYHOM, BTBMB, HAND, Medicine, KTF, Wanted, Prayer

That's my feeling as well.

Jon sounds marginally better but still feels like karaoke night

BUT he seems to be moving a little bit more and I'm loving 8 THINFS songs and the stories between songs (we know them, but I think they work beautifully on the show).

There's no way this band would work on a stadium right now, though, which is a ****ing shame. Watching this is very bittersweet, I don't want them to stop but I don't want to remember BJ like this. It's not terrible by any means but it's still a shock to see how different it looks and feels.

Wow.. I am so lucky to have seen them in 2010 with Richie..

On a side note, the end of this video makes me giggle. After playing a monster song like BoB, they kick it in to Born To Follow... instant mood killer lmao


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