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liljovi93 03-01-2017 09:34 AM
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rolo_tomachi 03-01-2017 09:34 AM
is so easy make a best set list.

example.

1. Thinfs
2. Knockout
3. Bad name
4. Raise your hands
5. Runaway

6. We dont run
7. Its my life
8. Ill be there for you
9. God bless this mess
10. Devils in the temple
11. Born again tomorrow

12. Lay your hands
13. Im your man
14 Bad Medicine+new cover
15. Have a nice day
16. Keep the faith
17. Saturday Night

18. Make a memory
19. New years day
20. Blood on blood
21. Wanted
22. Prayer

No more Who says you can go home, please.

gabriele 03-01-2017 09:59 AM
Worst setlist of the tour

prayer_84 03-01-2017 10:06 AM
Oh man, that part from song #4 (Lost Highway) to #11 (Who Says) is plain horrible. It's 7 of Bon Jovi's 10 worst songs ever....to hear them all in 1 show back-to-back is something that would definitely make me lose attention...

Hues07 03-01-2017 10:15 AM
Want to change or shake up the set.. a few may not be vocally capable but still...

1. House
2. KO
3. it's my life (get Bad name out of the top 3 for one tour of of the last 10)
4. Radio saved my life
5. Blaze
6. Blood on blood
7. Fear
8. Rollercoaster
9. BTBMB
10. I'll be there
11. Hey God
12. Scars
13. Devil
14. I believe
15. Raise
16. Bad name
17. LYHOM
18. Living in sin
19. Keep the faith
-----------------
20. Kidnap an angel (shock of the night)
21. Bad medicine
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22. Wanted
23. Prayer

Robd788 03-01-2017 10:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Matrix15 (Post 1219888)
Although not as amazing as the set hackster posted, I remember the circle tour as absolutely brilliant. Second time seeing them, 19th June 2010. When he opened the encore my heart stopped. It was weird.


Happy Now
We Weren't Born to Follow
You Give Love a Bad Name
In These Arms
Born to Be My Baby
Wild in the Streets
(Tour Debout)
Wild Is the Wind
Captain Crash & the Beauty Queen From Mars
Runaway
We Got It Goin' On
Bad Medicine
(with Paint It Black and Pretty Woman)
Lay Your Hands on Me
Open All Night
Diamond Ring
I'll Be There for You
Love for Sale
Work for the Working Man
It's My Life
Who Says You Can't Go Home
Keep the Faith
Encore:
Something to Believe In
Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
Wanted Dead or Alive
Livin' on a Prayer

Mind you when he did open all night we shat our pants, so it's fair to say we were easily impressed.
Oh I was there that night, such great memories. Best SDIBSN the vocal and the passion.

liljovi93 03-01-2017 10:56 AM
I hate seeing these 'dream set lists' all the time as if they're going to do it. Fear and Kidnap An Angel? Come on... we all want changes but at least post one that you think would be realistic!

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jovifan93 03-01-2017 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prayer_84 (Post 1219927)
Oh man, that part from song #4 (Lost Highway) to #11 (Who Says) is plain horrible. It's 7 of Bon Jovi's 10 worst songs ever....to hear them all in 1 show back-to-back is something that would definitely make me lose attention...
How much tastes can differ. 7 of the 10 worst songs ever? Really? We're talking about the same 7 songs, right?

#4 Lost Highway - nothing special ok, but not that bad either
#5 Whole Lot Of Leaving - I really like it, and a lot of people do
#6 Rollercoaster - c'mon, new song, great song, so what's the problem with this one?
#7 Born To Follow - I really like that one, especially now that they play it more like on the album (couldn't stand the synth so up-front and just one guitar playing the riff)
#8 Sleep - fun song, hit song, could probably use a cover medley again
#9 We Got It Going On - fun song live, gets the crowd going
#10 Who Says - hit song, good sing along, and I personally like it.

Hues07 03-01-2017 11:20 AM
Realistic
1 House
2 KO
3. DIE FOR YOU
4. It's my life
5. Blaze
6. Rollercoaster
7. BTBMB
8. just older
9. Radio
10. I'll be there
11. Blood on blood
12. Bullet
13. Raise
14. Living in sin
15. Hey God
16. Devil
17. Scars
18. Bad name
19 faith

20 have a nice day
21. Bad medicine

22 wanted
23 prayer

And dude.. try.. Try not to get offended at this..I know it's tough and it's fantasy booking but you'll be OK, Sally

prayer_84 03-01-2017 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1219931)
How much tastes can differ. 7 of the 10 worst songs ever? Really? We're talking about the same 7 songs, right?

#4 Lost Highway - nothing special ok, but not that bad either
#5 Whole Lot Of Leaving - I really like it, and a lot of people do
#6 Rollercoaster - c'mon, new song, great song, so what's the problem with this one?
#7 Born To Follow - I really like that one, especially now that they play it more like on the album (couldn't stand the synth so up-front and just one guitar playing the riff)
#8 Sleep - fun song, hit song, could probably use a cover medley again
#9 We Got It Going On - fun song live, gets the crowd going
#10 Who Says - hit song, good sing along, and I personally like it.
Yeah, now that I come to think of it, what I've posted is quite exaggerated. These are by no means 7 of the bands worst songs, far from it. Roller Coaster is a new song and I like it, don't know why I somehow missed it when I said that. I also like born to follow, just think it's being overplayed and should be replaced by love's the only rule if it's got to be a track from the circle album. LOTR will definitely get the crowd going much more than born to follow. Sleep is indeed a fun song but it has been played since the ice age and it's time to retire it from the set for a while. If you need a fun song, one wild night could work at sleep's spot. We Got It Going On is a fun song and works really well with the crowd and I can see jon's logic for playing this one in each tour. Saw it on the two concerts I have been able to see (in Romania 2011 and Bulgaria 2013) and enjoyed it. However, I Believe could move the audience just as well if played with the same energy as in 1993 (although I don't think that's realistic now). Who Says is a track I never liked from the start. I don't care if it's a hit or not. The same for Lost Highway and Whole Lot of Leaving.
The point I was trying to make is that there are far better album cuts than these and it wouldn't hurt to rotate them every once in a while. If the setlist has to be static throughout a tour, let it be static. But let the next tour's static setlist be totally different than the previous one. I'd have no problem with that.
P.S. The worst Bon Jovi songs for me are: I Love This Town, Captain Crash, Lost Highway, When We Were Beautiful, She's a Mystery, Who Says.

Thomas S 03-01-2017 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hues07 (Post 1219932)
Realistic
1 House
2 KO
3. DIE FOR YOU
4. It's my life
5. Blaze
6. Rollercoaster
7. BTBMB
8. just older
9. Radio
10. I'll be there
11. Blood on blood
12. Bullet
13. Raise
14. Living in sin
15. Hey God
16. Devil
17. Scars
18. Bad name
19 faith

20 have a nice day
21. Bad medicine

22 wanted
23 prayer

And dude.. try.. Try not to get offended at this..I know it's tough and it's fantasy booking but you'll be OK, Sally
Hate to break it to you, but it's not realistic. Vocally, maybe Jon could pull it off. But I'm pretty sure that he'll refuse to drop LH, WSYCGH, Sleep, WGIGO, WWBTF etc.

If he just played 1 or 2 of those songs every show it would leave room for some awesome, yet terribly under-played gems like you've suggested. It's a shame that he insists on playing the same songs every night.

Bounce7800 03-01-2017 11:52 AM
Absolute turd of a setlist there Jon. Come on, just throw 1 bone in there ffs.

Maybe it's time for them to start doing a 4/5 song little medley, what with the huge choice of the catalogue and the state of Jon's voice, they should use snippets of songs as intros (like Blood Money into Blaze, Lie To Me into Always etc..). There's so many good songs, hit songs, just totally ignored, at least play some part of them.

hackster73 03-01-2017 12:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1219935)
Absolute turd of a setlist there Jon. Come on, just throw 1 bone in there ffs.

Maybe it's time for them to start doing a 4/5 song little medley, what with the huge choice of the catalogue and the state of Jon's voice, they should use snippets of songs as intros (like Blood Money into Blaze, Lie To Me into Always etc..). There's so many good songs, hit songs, just totally ignored, at least play some part of them.
Have to agree that it is getting worse...

prayer_84 03-01-2017 12:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thomas S (Post 1219934)
Hate to break it to you, but it's not realistic. Vocally, maybe Jon could pull it off. But I'm pretty sure that he'll refuse to drop LH, WSYCGH, Sleep, WGIGO, WWBTF etc.

If he just played 1 or 2 of those songs every show it would leave room for some awesome, yet terribly under-played gems like you've suggested. It's a shame that he insists on playing the same songs every night.
I think the main problem with the setlists of the current tour is that they only include half of the big hits. Last night, I wondered if there was actually a way to make both casuals and die-hards happy and came up with an idea, which, if you guys don't mind, I'd like to share with you. It concerns the contents of the setlists. From a fan's point of view, you want to hear the classics and a few hidden gems, and I think this is absolutely possible.
If I were Jon, I would compile two pools of songs - one with the classics that should be played every night without exception and another one with the album cuts which could be rotated each night, somethink like this:

Pool A - The Classics (I'm writing them in chronological order for more convenience):
1. Prayer
2. Bad Name
3. Wanted
4. Bad Medicine
5. I'll Be There For You
6. Blaze Of Glory
7. Keep The Faith
8. Bed of Roses
9. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
10. Always
11. This Ain't a Love Song
12. It's My Life
13. EveryDay
14. Have a Nice Day
15. Make a Memory
16. Superman Tonight
+ 3 songs from the new record - e.g: the title track, born again tomorrow & roller coaster.
In a mixed running order, this set will contain 19 songs. Now, if we assume that an average set contains 24 songs, Jon can put 5 different songs each night and select those 5 songs from:

Pool B - the album cuts, fan favorites and Jon's favorites:
1. Die for You
2. Lay Your Hands on Me
3. Wild is The Wind
4. Blood on Blood
5. I Believe
6. In These Arms
7. Dry County
8. Hey God
9. These Days
10. Something to Believe In
11. Hey God
12. Next 100 years
13. Undivided
14. I am
15. Any other day
16. Love's the only rule
17. I'm with You
18. That's What the Water made Me
19. We Don't Run
20. Lost Highway (Jon's favorite)
21. WGIGO (Jon's favorite & crowd pleaser)
22. who says (Jon's favorite & a hit in the U.S.)
23. captain crash (Jon's favorite)
24. Sleep (Jon's favorite & fun song live)

Assuming that:
1. the songs from pool A are played every night
2. the 3 thinfs songs are changed with another 3 songs from the same record each night
and
3. jon picks 5 random songs from pool B and those 5 songs are different each night,
then we can conclude that:

1. casual fans will be happy because they will hear ALL the hits
2. multiple concert visitors will be happy because they could potentially be getting up to 8 different songs from the previous show (5 new picks from pool B + 3 different tracks from the new album)
3. die-hards will be happy because this setlist structure would allow Jon to throw them a bone or two per night (dry county one night, something to beieve in on the next, etc).
4. the setlists will vary from night to night, keeping things fresh.

The band will have to rehearse 52-53 songs in total, which should not be a problem considering that they played 70+ different song on the European 2011 tour.

What do you all think? I know Jon may struggle with a lot of those songs but if we put this aside, would you all be happy if the setlist were built on a basis like this one?

steel_horse75 03-01-2017 12:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1219930)
I hate seeing these 'dream set lists' all the time as if they're going to do it. Fear and Kidnap An Angel? Come on... we all want changes but at least post one that you think would be realistic!

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Indeed. The boxset hardly sold any copies. They aint gonna bring those out. Even some diehards probably dont own that boxset. They aint gonna play Kidnap to a arena of which most are casuals.

Regarding last nights set - for me as a fan of 30 years - its horrible - but, on twitter "the casuals" are raving about it. JBJ knows his audience.

These "dream setlists" are a waste of time - i have mine and they contain songs theyve never played live before or even released so we can all dream but to suggest they should play rare or bsides in 2017 is just crazy.

symbeline 03-01-2017 01:06 PM
I don't see any problem with that setlist, other than how short it is (only 22? is it confirmed?).
  • 12 songs are on the Greatest Hits. 10 of them are classic hits. They are not going anywhere
  • 2 concert staples (Sleep, WGIGO). Not much to swap with either
  • 1 of Jon's faves (WLOL, I think we all agree it could be better, but also way worse)
  • 7 new songs which is pretty awesome and ballsy, which I applaud

This is what Jon can sing right now, give or take a BOB/Sat Night and occasionally a ballad/rarity. 24/25 songs per night is a standard for this band. It's not what *I* want to hear and I wouldn't pay for this setlist because I basically only care about the new songs and a couple more (well, if Jon moved around I would probably get a very cheap ticket), but it's pretty balanced for both casuals who only want the hits and for fans who want a little bit more variety and like the new album. I think it's unfair to say it's a vanilla set because it's the same every night. The setlist is not bad at all considering that Jon can't sing better songs, the repetition is overkill though.

This core setlist with 3/4 extra songs on rotation and a few tweaks every X shows would be much better but we've always said it's about quality. If Jon feels that this is the best he can give and having the same setlist everynight makes him feel more confident in his voice I don't see what else he could do to improve it.

jovifan93 03-01-2017 02:25 PM
Exactly! Also considering that "block" of songs at the beginning and some tweets during the shows/Jon's talk about "only hits from now on" - that's quite smart of him actually, because there's only hits at the end, and everyone (casuals and die-hards) will leave with a big smile on their face because of it. Everyone who complained about the beginning will have forgotten it after that armada of songs at the end ;-)

hackster73 03-01-2017 05:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prayer_84 (Post 1219937)
I think the main problem with the setlists of the current tour is that they only include half of the big hits. Last night, I wondered if there was actually a way to make both casuals and die-hards happy and came up with an idea, which, if you guys don't mind, I'd like to share with you. It concerns the contents of the setlists. From a fan's point of view, you want to hear the classics and a few hidden gems, and I think this is absolutely possible.
If I were Jon, I would compile two pools of songs - one with the classics that should be played every night without exception and another one with the album cuts which could be rotated each night, somethink like this:

Pool A - The Classics (I'm writing them in chronological order for more convenience):
1. Prayer
2. Bad Name
3. Wanted
4. Bad Medicine
5. I'll Be There For You
6. Blaze Of Glory
7. Keep The Faith
8. Bed of Roses
9. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
10. Always
11. This Ain't a Love Song
12. It's My Life
13. EveryDay
14. Have a Nice Day
15. Make a Memory
16. Superman Tonight
+ 3 songs from the new record - e.g: the title track, born again tomorrow & roller coaster.
In a mixed running order, this set will contain 19 songs. Now, if we assume that an average set contains 24 songs, Jon can put 5 different songs each night and select those 5 songs from:

Pool B - the album cuts, fan favorites and Jon's favorites:
1. Die for You
2. Lay Your Hands on Me
3. Wild is The Wind
4. Blood on Blood
5. I Believe
6. In These Arms
7. Dry County
8. This Ain't a Love Song
9. These Days
10. Something to Believe In
11. Hey God
12. Next 100 years
13. Undivided
14. I am
15. Any other day
16. Love's the only rule
17. I'm with You
18. That's What the Water made Me
19. We Don't Run
20. Lost Highway (Jon's favorite)
21. WGIGO (Jon's favorite & crowd pleaser)
22. who says (Jon's favorite & a hit in the U.S.)
23. captain crash (Jon's favorite)
24. Sleep (Jon's favorite & fun song live)

Assuming that:
1. the songs from pool A are played every night
2. the 3 thinfs songs are changed with another 3 songs from the same record each night
and
3. jon picks 5 random songs from pool B and those 5 songs are different each night,
then we can conclude that:

1. casual fans will be happy because they will hear ALL the hits
2. multiple concert visitors will be happy because they could potentially be getting up to 8 different songs from the previous show (5 new picks from pool B + 3 different tracks from the new album)
3. die-hards will be happy because this setlist structure would allow Jon to throw them a bone or two per night (dry county one night, something to beieve in on the next, etc).
4. the setlists will vary from night to night, keeping things fresh.

The band will have to rehearse 52-53 songs in total, which should not be a problem considering that they played 70+ different song on the European 2011 tour.

What do you all think? I know Jon may struggle with a lot of those songs but if we put this aside, would you all be happy if the setlist were built on a basis like this one?
So we could get this ain't a love song twice. I'm OK with that.

prayer_84 03-01-2017 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1219952)
So we could get this ain't a love song twice. I'm OK with that.
Okay, this was a minor mistake, fixed that already. Instead of nitpicking, why don't you just share your opinion on what I've outlined?

prayer_84 03-01-2017 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1219943)
Exactly! Also considering that "block" of songs at the beginning and some tweets during the shows/Jon's talk about "only hits from now on" - that's quite smart of him actually, because there's only hits at the end, and everyone (casuals and die-hards) will leave with a big smile on their face because of it. Everyone who complained about the beginning will have forgotten it after that armada of songs at the end ;-)
That's correct and I have no issue with the songs from LYHOM to Prayer. However, I don't like the sequence from 4 to 11, just this block of songs....it doesn't work for me at all. And, to be honest, as much as I hate the fact that Jon's voice is problematic right now, Always/I'll be there for you and Bed of roses all must be in the set. Having none of them just doesn't feel like a complete Bon Jovi show.

jovifan93 03-01-2017 06:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prayer_84 (Post 1219958)
That's correct and I have no issue with the songs from LYHOM to Prayer. However, I don't like the sequence from 4 to 11, just this block of songs....it doesn't work for me at all. And, to be honest, as much as I hate the fact that Jon's voice is problematic right now, Always/I'll be there for you and Bed of roses all must be in the set. Having none of them just doesn't feel like a complete Bon Jovi show.
Yeah, agreed, at least I'll Be There For You has to be in it. Always is vocally one of the most demanding songs besides These Days, and Bed Of Roses - depends on my mood if I want to hear it or not. I'd rather prefer In These Arms, but please sung by Jon and not David (don't get the love for his (lead) voice at all).

cqleonardo 03-01-2017 06:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1219894)
Something to believe in opened the encore in vancouver that tour as well. I filmed this one, and you can here me audibly say "oh my god" when i finally clicked into what they were playing.

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=nfp3HUbz0MI
damnn, I would be bawling my eyes out, amazing vid

hackster73 03-01-2017 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prayer_84 (Post 1219955)
Okay, this was a minor mistake, fixed that already. Instead of nitpicking, why don't you just share your opinion on what I've outlined?
I did. I am happy with hearing this ain't a love song twice.

Walleris 03-01-2017 11:33 PM
Well, this officially qualifies as the 'bare minimum' setlist. Based on sets on paper, you could easily mistake Greenville as the final show of the tour and think we're going backwards.

I still think eventually Jon drops one of the new ones in favor of Captain Crash and call it a tour.

steel_horse75 03-02-2017 12:30 AM
Just looking through the bands Facebook page about this gig. There's a ton of comments... all loving the show

Falco 03-02-2017 02:14 AM
Well, at least we know that when the tour leaves the US the set lists will get better, they usually do..

FinnishFan 03-02-2017 03:01 AM
Ha! Saw this picture from Sacramento and immediately thought that I have seen that outfit somewhere before... :D Memories from the Wrecking Ball Tour...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C519vYJWMAEJyeZ.jpg
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/B...tD3yLFwkUm.jpg

Tearin_it_up 03-04-2017 05:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by prayer_84 (Post 1219937)
I think the main problem with the setlists of the current tour is that they only include half of the big hits. Last night, I wondered if there was actually a way to make both casuals and die-hards happy and came up with an idea, which, if you guys don't mind, I'd like to share with you. It concerns the contents of the setlists. From a fan's point of view, you want to hear the classics and a few hidden gems, and I think this is absolutely possible.
If I were Jon, I would compile two pools of songs - one with the classics that should be played every night without exception and another one with the album cuts which could be rotated each night, somethink like this:

Pool A - The Classics (I'm writing them in chronological order for more convenience):
1. Prayer
2. Bad Name
3. Wanted
4. Bad Medicine
5. I'll Be There For You
6. Blaze Of Glory
7. Keep The Faith
8. Bed of Roses
9. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
10. Always
11. This Ain't a Love Song
12. It's My Life
13. EveryDay
14. Have a Nice Day
15. Make a Memory
16. Superman Tonight
+ 3 songs from the new record - e.g: the title track, born again tomorrow & roller coaster.
In a mixed running order, this set will contain 19 songs. Now, if we assume that an average set contains 24 songs, Jon can put 5 different songs each night and select those 5 songs from:

Pool B - the album cuts, fan favorites and Jon's favorites:
1. Die for You
2. Lay Your Hands on Me
3. Wild is The Wind
4. Blood on Blood
5. I Believe
6. In These Arms
7. Dry County
8. Hey God
9. These Days
10. Something to Believe In
11. Hey God
12. Next 100 years
13. Undivided
14. I am
15. Any other day
16. Love's the only rule
17. I'm with You
18. That's What the Water made Me
19. We Don't Run
20. Lost Highway (Jon's favorite)
21. WGIGO (Jon's favorite & crowd pleaser)
22. who says (Jon's favorite & a hit in the U.S.)
23. captain crash (Jon's favorite)
24. Sleep (Jon's favorite & fun song live)

Assuming that:
1. the songs from pool A are played every night
2. the 3 thinfs songs are changed with another 3 songs from the same record each night
and
3. jon picks 5 random songs from pool B and those 5 songs are different each night,
then we can conclude that:

1. casual fans will be happy because they will hear ALL the hits
2. multiple concert visitors will be happy because they could potentially be getting up to 8 different songs from the previous show (5 new picks from pool B + 3 different tracks from the new album)
3. die-hards will be happy because this setlist structure would allow Jon to throw them a bone or two per night (dry county one night, something to beieve in on the next, etc).
4. the setlists will vary from night to night, keeping things fresh.

The band will have to rehearse 52-53 songs in total, which should not be a problem considering that they played 70+ different song on the European 2011 tour.

What do you all think? I know Jon may struggle with a lot of those songs but if we put this aside, would you all be happy if the setlist were built on a basis like this one?
Like the idea, but Everyday, Superman, Memory & This Ain't a Love Song can't be regulars over Runaway & Lay Your Hands on Me can they? I know it's not a hit, but Raise Your Hands is always a crowd pleaser. Everybody I know likes that song when they hear it

jazzsta 03-04-2017 01:51 PM
yeah prayer 84 forgot to put runaway on his lists, funny.


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