I don't understand why everyone here is making a big issue over this. Obviously something went wrong, a technical issue, it happens, its life. Things are going to happen that you can't control, Jon and the band tried to resolve it on the spot but at times it don't work, so you start over. It may look bad to some people here, and of course, using the whole Jon has no voice thing well, by now its a given here, can't change some opinions, oh well. To the audience didn't seem to either mind or not notice, and if they did, they didn't seem bothered by it, at least that is how I saw it.

The whole song sounds like the studio track. I don't get it. Maybe this was the first time they were trying it out? Even the first half of the song when there were no issues, Jon's voice sounds very much like the album track.

I'm ok with Jon using a backing track to boost his voice, but you do run the risk of things like this happening.

Backing tracks are the least rock n roll thing ever.

If Jon is relying on a backing track for a song as easy to sing as this, they need to quit.

This is a discussion board. We discuss. We find cool things and talk about them. Obviously it's a technical issue and obviously things happen but it's okay to talk about why.

Yes, this is a big thing. Jon is using a back track for a song that is sung with his lower register (he doesn't sing the chorus).

The thing is, if you take a look at my last posts, you will see that I said nice things about the last performances, for example the energy that Jon put on that Bad Medicine performance. On the other hand, you want to defend the band when there is no sense in doing so. For a lead singer to have his back track go off when he wasn't expecting to, and to use it on a song that requires very little effort to sing is NOT something that happens everyday and YES, it is something worrying and embarrassing. Since this is a discussion board, you're completely entitled to defend the band whenever you want, however, it's been sounding very childish.

This. Roger Waters last tour (The Wall) was something out of this planet production and music-wise, but the fact that he lip synchs 70% of his vocals took a lot from the experience for me.

During the 2011 songs, Jon used to include some rants during a part of The More Things Change, and a lot of them was about the fact that he sings 100% live.

Totally agree...I kept thinking the user edited the video with album version for clarity.

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Are you seriously taking the piss now? It's okay to be critical you know! Sometimes it's needed...

In all seriousness, that's an absolute joke. I'm genuinely baffled as to what the hell happened.

Why is he using a backing track on a song as easy as THINFS? He doesn't even sing half of it...

It's embarrassing to watch and what's more annoying is that the night before was the first time I've thought we've got a bit of the old JBJ back. Now it may as well be Britney Spears up there with that lip syncing...

'No this boy don't lip sync...'

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I wonder if they played Last Man Standing, if they'd lip sync that line :D

That's definitely the studio version of the song we're hearing in that clip.

Does anyone else feel kinda sick about this? I thought Jon was the type of guy who would never lip sync and I totally respect that, but now I feel worried that half of the improvements we've been seeing have been faked.

Ok, haven't been here for a while... what is going on, is this a joke or not? That clearly is the album version played on the backround.

Yeah a little bit...
Surely it hasn't all been fake though. The bad medicine set in the crowd the other night was out of the ordinary, and would have been difficult to fake.
Maybe he's trying to preserve his voice a bit, and because the shows were back to back, he chose to lip sync a couple of songs?

It's still odd how out of time it all was and he seemed to have no idea.

Interesting point... What do the black dots mean I wonder?

This is what kills me about this board. It seems when you think Jon is doing good you give him praise, and say things like he is back, he has energy, voice is not as bad, maybe better. But god forbid one little mishap like what happened in this show in Mohegan, the sky is falling, he is over, he is done, this tour was all fake! Really? You guys just can't seem to be happy about anything anymore, well, to be fair, not all, there are some here who do appreciate the band and Jon, but the rest are just hell bent on not being satisfied of anything that Jon does on stage, IDK, could someone please help me to figure out why some here just can't simply appreciate what we got with this band now? And lets be honest, all this criticizing that you do about Jon, is it going to change anything? is he going to even respond? I don't think so. I am not saying that nobody should give an opinion about Jon or his performance, not at all, but when your repeating the same complaints over and over again, and hell bent on analyzing every little sound, note, gesture, movement like some tend to do so much, quite frankly its getting old and boring. But I would never tell anyone here to not give your opinions, I learned my lesson on that!

You're acting ridiculous. you seem to be okay with the idea that he is lip syncing - I feel like if Jon pretended he was a dinosaur and made noises into the microphone for 12 minutes and then left you would somehow defend that.

Jon farts rainbows to you. We get it. You know what tape is getting old? The same old script you've written here a few dozen times over.

I wonder how much Jon is paying rosa3 to defend this sort of crap... :confused:

In all honesty, this couldn't even have been the backing track. Playing the full studio version over the PA and having the band play on top of it would be especially stupid since they have downtuned it live.
And this even was the "wrong" edit with the altered line that was given to some radio stations but never used live. They can't be that amateurish...

Agreed.

Surely that's what makes a good read, Rosa? We praise Jon when he deserves it and say negative stuff when we need too. Nobody wants to be negative. The last thing I want is to see JBJ lip syncing. People pay to see Jon sing, not mime.

What happened is embarrassing for the band. Embarrassing for Jon more so! You can't always praise him or brush stuff off. Tickets aren't cheap and for stuff like this to be happening on a song that he already doesn't sing half of, for me, is a joke.

As I said, we praised the night before more than any other night on the tour because Jon sounded and looked good. He looked like a real front man again. We all want shows like that!

Seriously, if you find it old and boring that we are honest about Jon then I suggest you move on from this forum because it clearly isn't the place for you.

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Absolutely agreed! I also find it funny that you, rosa3, almost never appear in a thread where we're saying good things about the performance (like at the Philly show), but you're always there to bitch about our behaviour when we criticize stuff.

This is a compilation of certain songs from the show:
I'm pretty sure I can hear the studio version in the background Roller Coaster as well and I have a feel that it's also played underneath WLOL and Born To Follow here...

On the other hand, LOAP was quite decent by today's standards:

I should cry because this is sad, very sad .

But instead I laughed my ass off.

So this is why some recordings have mysterious "technical issues" and can't be released, why others take so long and why Jon is singing so close to the mic

Oh, the irony :rolleyes:

On a serious note, this is playing with fire.

Probably. And with no compunction whatsoever.

I like Jon and I freely admit that nobody's perfect; but I've been saying for a long time that he needs to learn what big words like 'integrity' mean before he starts throwing them around.;)

I had this same thought when I saw that he was away from the mic, interacting with the audience, while his voice was singing "This house is built on trust..." over top of the band singing "Coming home".

We're going to have to wait until the next show to see if this was the future of the band or just a one time screw up.

I'm very much hoping it was the latter, I would rather Jon sang averagely than threw away his credibility as an artist.

I don't hear it (but I'm terrible at these things). The thing is, the chorus is where Jon would need those backing tracks the most, but then WTH does he have like 20 people on the stage that can sing and truly sing their asses off during lots of the choruses while Jon smiles and poses? It kinda defeats the purpose :confused:

Even I can hear that they've been using backing tracks on some songs throughout the years (Prayer of course is the most noticeable), but this is really ridiculous. There's a chance of making a mistake every time you use a backing track, higher if it's the whole damn song and specially if they start using those tricks at this stage of their career. No amount of stink eyes would fix the fact that the moment this happens, Jon look like a fool and a fraud.

I don't mind if they use some "help" in the most difficult parts BECAUSE Jon is moving around interacting with the audience. I'd chose watching a good show over hearing good vocals any day, but that's not been the case. The reviewers have been picking up on how weak his vocals are, but they still praise the show and Jon's charisma and that matters a lot, nobody cares if a 55 year old can't sing like ****ing Adele, this is a rock show. But I bet they won't gloss over the lip synching part the next time.

The more I watch it the more I laugh

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But there's something disturbing about the fact that they managed to correct it on the spot. Very efficient, almost as if they had rehearsed a moment like this...

I'd like to think it was some random pa lag, but it was clearly the album version complete with guitar solo. There's no need to fake that so God knows what was going on there, but that was shambolic.

Im devastated! . Im so ashamed to call myself a Bon Jovi fan after seeing this . Time to quit now Jon .

I'd really like to think this was just some asshole in the sound crew, and not what Jon actually wanted. It was the version with the 'baptised in holy water' line and it was so out of time, surely it wasn't deliberately used?

I can't pass judgement on the other songs like WLOL or Born To Follow, but it was painfully obvious on this song. Amongst other things you could hear Jon singing the chorus, which of course he doesn't actually do live.

Oh--- my----- god----

As someone who likes to crap all over Jon's recent performances, I think you are way overreacting.

From the footage I've seen, this is clearly a ****-up behind the scenes that was not supposed to come across in the mix.

If Jon inteded to mime all the way, he would be moving the lips near a microphone (like he does during the Prayer high note); whereas he's clearly moving away from the microphone during the chorus of This House.

Plus, it would not be easy stuff like WWBTF or WLOL - he can manage to stay in key during those on his own. It would be the more difficult stuff from 80s and 90s (again, like Prayer high note or ITA ending).

Lastly, he would not be using studio versions. He would be using live recordings (again, like Prayer) to make it believable.

To sum up, he mimes on Prayer high note - shameful, but that's it. Next show will be back to "normal".

One thing I noticed too is that he's singing the alternate version... the one where the lyrics are slightly different in the beginning... which is the first time we've heard that version all tour... Something is definitely up...

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Yeah, but I don't think he was singing that at all. It seems like he was singing on his own and noticing what was played over the PA. The whole band was drowned out by it. Maybe it was an April fool's joke from the sound crew...
Then again, I don't think Jon finds it all that funny when he finds out about it.

Someone from dry county twitter account tweet Tony and ask him what went on

Talking of overacting

1st April 2017 - Mohegan Sun Arena, Uncasville Thread
 

Very strange, I can't say if it was intended or not but I've checked and they did tune down the version that was played over the PA compared to the studio recording


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It surely can't be a prank from the crew, it's not remotely funny. Well it is when you watch the video on a loop, but you get what I mean.

I'm certainly going to give them the benefit of the doubt. Like I said earlier, it makes little sense they would risk so much now, specially when there are so many new people on the stage who have probably never played/sung over a backing track or whatever.

Somebody alluded to the fact that there are no screens this time, but there are and they are showing Jon at all times, so no conspiracy here (I was half joking when I said that they are doing every trick in the book to hide Jon lip synching). Anybody with a good camera in the front row can get a high-res close up that would certainly showcase any tricks, so I don't buy that they are not filming the shows to minimize the chances of making a mistake, they can't control who records and how. I can buy that they can't bother/it's too much work dubbing an "improved" audio over the video when they know they are going to sell like 15 copies

Tim McGraw and Alan Jackson have been some of the biggest country music stars for a while (equivalent to Bon Jovi in rock)... how are they not the same caliber?


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After watching that clip of This House, I'm just shocked. I guess they masked the backing track pretty well all of the other shows, but this one had some problems.

I will say, I like the sound of the studio version downtuned.


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Glad someone finally posted a clip of it. Honestly, I knew what was going on as soon as it happened and it took the wind out of my sails for the rest of the show. It was as if I was watching the death of the band.

I'd like to disagree, but I can't. I keep thinking Jon is going to stand up and do right by the fans. Not happening. Nobody's fault but my own for going to that damn arena.

Did you notice it during any other song at the show? Of course not that obvious, but from that compilation clip I got the feeling that they had the original Roller Coaster playing in the background as well.