The whole song sounds nothing like on the album. Hasn't for ages. The question is if there's a live recording from a previous show they could've taken, and my answer would be no, since you can hear that it's 2017 (or maybe 2016) Jon's voice, so that narrows the possibilities, and while I haven't seen every clip of every show, I cannot remember a Bad Medicine performance like that from this tour...

he should sue you for spreading rumors

While true, I thought someone on this thread (I forgot who) said that they would use a live playback, like in Prayer right before the solo


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Hmm, this is getting even more strange than I thought.

After watching this close up clip, you can clearly see that Jon doesn't even notice the bridge is playing, but instead goes back to the mic at the "normal" time and sings the "Coming homes". In fact, they all don't seem to realize it for the duration of this whole clip :confused:

To me its pretty obvious hes lip syncing the first verse of the song. Its in a higher key (album key).

This sounds higher and different than any other recording I have heard this tour, so something is definitely up, maybe on the 2nd night of a back to back he decided to try something to give his vocals a bit of a break, but it failed miserably.

What scares me about the video is once the mistake happens you still can (barely) hear his mic. If this was a backing track or something else you would hear what hes actually singing, making it worse.

Guessing we don't need to wonder if a recording of this show will ever be released. [emoji1]


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just a reminder, the track was out of sync because is a radio version, if you listen closely the second phrase is different, is an alternate version of the song....

We're 10 pages ahead of you

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I know but by reading some posts I thought that people didn't know

Where is that in a higher key? To me, it's pretty obvious (in fact almost proven) that he didn't want to lip sync anything, otherwise he would've behaved completely different. In fact, he didn't even notice the track was playing (something else)...

If you watch this video - just the first verse of the song. Then watch any other performance on this tour you'll see the difference

Not to sound or be too sarcastic, but some here people would be excellent working for the FBI or the CIA, the way people here are able to get specific details and analysis of Jon's vocals and compare with any background tracks at concerts, I think FBI and CIA would appreciate these skills for better use in this world, not for a person's vocals, just saying.

Simply not true. The key is the same, the notes are the same. It's just sounding different, since one is the studio version, and one is the live version. Compare again:

Mohegan Sun: https://youtu.be/Fa1O4nRyWUQ?t=114
Dallas: https://youtu.be/65rgscICpZE?t=120

Oh my God, there's no lip sync. They are playing the song live but someone ****ed up and played that track. They're not hearing it and keep playing. The track is shorter so they are not in time after the second chorus, but the rhythm is still the same. They keep playing two bars behind the track till the end because they play at the same rhythm of the track. Someone ****ed up. That's it. As when the sound goes out but the band keeps playing.

So don't post in the threads you don't like. Just saying. You don't have to post your disapproval in threads you don't like.

Pretty much this....

When it comes to technicalities of a performance, such as talking about IEM feeds and whatnot, I quite enjoy it..


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What's the point of playing it though???

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I stand corrected. I watched the other video and didn't hear them singing under the studio track. The timing was suspicious, it seemed as if Jon had realized the first mistake and went back to the mic to fix it without being overly surprised that something like this could happen, but now I see that they kept playing and singing unawares.

But then when Jon and Dave point at each other they had already realized and knew they had to do something to go back to being in synch with whatever track they had to be in synch with in the first place, right? That's what I interpreted from the video though I could be wrong, they seemed to fix it only right at the end no? [emoji55]

Anyway, I don't think we were discussing if Jon lip syncs but the possibility of having a backing track to help boost his vocals

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I can hear him singing because he makes some words a little longer than the studio and when the shit hitted the fan they were still "coming home"

Why now???? And why only that (or a few) song during the show?

And what's the overall purpose of playing the studio track and not one of the live recordings?

And why not just the vocals? I don't get the purpose?

So many questions... Jon should go on social media and address it...

Even Philly sounds live... There is a subtle slight pause before 'The Door Is Off The Hinges"... There is no way that is any type of recording... (off topic - but what is Jon saying during the alt version anyway - Lyrics?)

What was the show like? Just interested to hear it straight as you have been to a few BJ shows in the past.

Jon's not going to make a statement because it's not going to get that far. This isn't going to make enough of a ruckus in places that aren't here. Lipsnycing or not, the track was cued up perfectly but the wrong one was picked. It was there for a reason we don't know.

So based on our research today, we can honestly and safety confirm that this is just a one off situation that happened during this show in Mohegan Sun...

It's proven that other versions have slight variations that can be heard... Philly has that slight pause and Dallas doesn't...

Maybe Jon had a back-up plan if a situation ever occurred where he needed more time to rest his voice... And it just backfired...

So either Jon over did it in Philly and needed to rest his voice and this was the suggestion or it was a bad April fools joke... I can't think of any other reasons...

I don't know how this could be called anything but lip syncing. Jon's mic doesn't seem to be on.

He's singing completely different lyrics when it goes out of sync and is still singing into the mic as the guitar solo begins, but zero vocals can be heard.

Someone should because it will eventually come up in an interview!

You can hear him singing live. Everybody is singing and playing live under the track that got triggered for whatever reason before the bridge

Edit for clarification: They are singing what they are supposed to be singing and it can be heard if you pay attention, we hear a studio track on top of it that shouldn't​ be there (supposedly a modified/downtuned radio edit, I can't tell)

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I don't agree because Jon continues singing but nothing is coming out... He's hearing something totally different... And it really looks like he's pumping out lyrics...

Maybe it was kind of an worst case plan to have that song cued up in case sound problems would appear? It's a wild guess but it may have been that during the intro they noticed that the sound system onstage wasn't working due to some kind of issue and someone panicky triggered the track trying to save the start of the show. I remember that in 2011 someone close to the sound desk had spilled his drink over it and half of the band's PA went out the window. It may have been something similar and they didn't want to start the show with no sound and were hoping to get it fixed in time, but realized too late that the track wasn't the same edit as the one the band plays live and failed to make a transition to the live sound just in time.

Just a thought though...

Personally, I really like the sound of the studio mixed with the live instruments...Just saying...

The track didn't got triggered before the bridge, it's been there the whole time. Why is the good question, we'll probably never know...

But he's not lip syncing, otherwise he would've realized his "mistake" (like it seemed in the first video) and tried to fix it, instead he just keeps on singing and the band keeps on playing. Why they are not being heard only the guy at the mixing desk will know...

He better hope TMZ or the like doesn't get ahold of this.

There may be a valid reason, but it makes them look like phonies.

It's really a shame, because I think we all know playback of an entire song isn't the norm.

Really? Now that you say it and I'm re-reading the thread I'm starting to see the whole picture.

I couldn't hear it until the mistake, so they were in sync with whatever had to be played. IF there's a whole backing track underneath not only some small parts.






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Exactly - it looks like he's pumping out lyrics. But do you hear them? I don't.

He is hearing and singing something completely different than what is being piped out to the audience.

But then it wouldn't go too flawlessly, I guess. It seems as if nobody would have realized if they didn't trigger the wrong track/the whole backing thing went out of sync. Wouldn't it be almost impossible to improvise this kind of situation on the fly? (playing over a whole song just in case something happens).

Anyhoo.. I like your theory and besides what do I know about this, I can't​ ever hear it. I really want this to be a embarrassing mistake, the alternative is too hard to believe

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I hear Jon singing the right lyrics throughout the song. Where do you hear something different, what minute? (Asking because every time I hear something I didn't hear before, not doubting you)

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My point is we don't hear Jon, we only hear the playback track.

At 0:56 his voice is heard but he's not singing into the mic.

From that point to the end he is singing something different than what we hear because he is out of sync with the track. He is still singing into the mic (though we don't hear him) after the guitar solo begins. He obviously doesn't hear the guitar solo starting.

OMG I hear it now. It's the studio track, the one with the wonky lyrics. I realized because I heard Jon in the first chorus and went back to listen really carefully. I watched the other video, the one with the whole song

Could it be that the track is mistakenly triggered since the beginning? Around 1:36 you can see Jon pointing at Shanks but the guitar doesn't start until a few seconds later? Or maybe it's just random pointing and it wasn't supposed to be the cue for Shanks?

But if you watch the other video you can hear their singing under the studio track after the first mistake and until the end. What were they singing before the mistake is another question...

I'm going to answer my own question. It's really difficult because you can't see Jon singing, but judging by body cues he's singing in sync with the audio we hear until the bridge. When the mistake happens, the audio we get just gets out of sync but it's the same, or at least I hear the same, so it's the studio track all the time it seems :(

They don't even realize or it's too late to fix it. I thought they managed to sync it at the end but now I see it's not the case. They did the extended part at the end right? Was it all out of sync too? (I guess they did get it right unless they have a live backing track for that too)

EDIT: It seems like they fixed it at the end after all, when the studio track stops you suddenly hear them again live