What's happened to one of the videos which sparked off this debate? Why has it been removed? Was it fake?

It hasn't been released yet. St. Paul came out yesterday, now we are waiting for Detroit to come out then this one will.

Original poster took it down after the hubbub it created. It's certainly not a fake.

Uploader probably got sick of all the notifications/comments. There's still 2 different videos in the OP, both of which have the same audio glitch.

Not getting into the lip sync debate, I'm asking how come this person didn't notice what happened. In every video I have seen the sound is so clear.

This person didn't notice because it was the first song and I was so excited to be there - and I was singing along. I did notice that the sound was changing - but as I said in my review - that tends to happen at shows during the first song - the person running the soundboard makes changes to improve the sound. It has nothing to do with lousy hearing - everyone around me was also singing along at the top of their voices. I was in a fanclub section with a lot of enthusiastic fans.

Lol :lol:

I know, I'm late for the conversation, but these shows are so ... predictable that I have not paid attention to the performances and even the set lists for weeks.

Well, I think the one who plays with fire, in the end it burns. These kinds of mistakes occur because of the sampled tracks to reinforce the sound, do not be deceived, and that is a shame. A shame to pay for a show with 7 musicians on stage and having to witness how the pre-recorded tracks sound so obvious and watch your idol synchronize the lips.

That's definitely not true... I've posted and proven that each performance of that song has been different from show to show...

Back in the 80s , LYHOM started with the Studio track before Tico would kick it off live... The lights were in sync with each drumming beat. Boom boom boom boom, boom boom boom boom... It would be so difficult for the lighting guy and Tico to manually match that each show...

It's the same exact thing but someone forgot to hit 'STOP'... They used the alternate take because it was never supposed to get as far as the vocals so it never really mattered...

That's it.. I'm done with the topic...

Ok, I guess in this song may be true, but, it is not the first time we hear sampled, so my answer is still valid. 7 musicians, why use samples? I can understand that when they were 5 miembers and they were in the ninety or early 2000s, they had to throw some samples into songs that needed more guitar stuffing, but I can not understand how they can fail so much now. The show is simple damn, its light play is very basic in fact, there is not much to synchronize there or here. I hate it when they use samples, it does not matter if it's Bon Jovi, U2 or Metallica ... I hate it, these bands have ever done it, they still do it in certain songs and it kills the experience. They sacrifice a great royal intro for a few lights effects. Meh.

What examples do people have of them using samples this tour with 7 people on stage. Forget about this instance, why are people acting like we've accused them of this in the past few months? People have complained about the sound, never that they were robotic and sampled. Am I wrong?

Okay, your not seriously comparing Bon Jovi to Milli Vanilli right? You guys have taken this thing too far now, its been settled, it was technical error! I think you won't be happy if Jon lip synched the entire show just to give more grief, yeah, real fans, whatever! Lets move on from this!

Look, I get why it's a big deal... Because of the shock value... But when you break it all down, you realize it's not...

Trust me, the first time I watched it, I was like O ****... But now I'm like whatever... I just like to read this thread to see all the people try so hard to desperately discredit the band...

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This is not the first time we've heard Jon's pre-recorded samples. And although we have never (or rarely) complained about the samples, they were always and still there to some degree. I think this is not to make a snowball, but it is something that although is little funny, it is not fun for many people who buy a ticket to see a live show.
They can not afford to fail much these days, because Youtube exists and can be a problem for their reputation. Before, in the old days, I can understand these tricks, if a show in Kansas failed, the thing stayed in Kansas, but if you fail now, no matter the place, it will be recorded on Youtube, and it is not nice that this Synchronization problems can be commonplace. Fortunately I think it is not, but Jon should think of a more organic show and think of another type of scenery so that he does not have to sacrifice the music live.

I get it, I do. But every one of the samples on the classic songs (Prayer, IML, Keep the Faith) Has been around for decades. Jon's not sacrificing the music by using the samples he always has. Keep the Faith is one word, IML and Prayer are the backing vocals. The technical **** up here wasn't a **** up because he was using a track to cover mistakes.

I agree the internet puts things like this under a magnifying glass but it doesn't change the other 99 percent of the show sounding like it does.

Yep. As I said, it is not to make a snowball. Another discursion aside, is that made of less a great set list and some remarkable performance. After weeks, I came back here to talk about a mistake, that is what makes me a little sad, when it should have been the opposite, I would have liked to have great performance or some drastic change in the set list that would pushed me to write today.

Truth. It sucks that it takes a wrong file to get people talking again It puts into perspective how the tour is being received by some of the die hards.

Full THINFS (user also has Bad Medicine)

Only seeing this now due to an almost complete disinterest in this project.

What an absolute joke Jon has become. I don't even care if this was just an honest mistake. The quality control has disappeared.

Bringing his daughter on stage, using fans to sing his songs is very desperate but this is Spinal Tap worthy.

There goes the legacy.

Quite dramatic about the legacy! Lol.
Think it take more than just these two things to lose the legacy. JMHO [emoji2]


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Bringing his daughter on stage is a fun little moment that very occasionally happens. How is that a bad thing? And what is wrong with getting the audience to sing the first verse to one song? Ridiculous complaints here.

I think Jon did a great job incorporating a Solo Album / Tour into a Band Album Tour... And that's exactly what he did... Richie was a huge vocal loss to Jon... I don't think many people realize how much Richie contributed vocally... I'd say more than 50% each song is Richie harmonizing in the background... Jon did an excellent job filling that gap too... He's a genius and what he pulled off was fantastic!!!

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Agree! 100%!! Hope the THINFS tour continues.


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Agreed. The fans singing the first verse of Wanted ain't something even close to brand new.

I think with that comment he was referring more to the following show where Jon got a fan on stage to sing Born to be my baby because his voice wasn't up to it....