Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1222784)

If you have to travel to any show you attend, pay for a hotel room, and only get 2 personal days to take off a year at work, you appreciate the effort of doing a shorter show over no show. It's not like you can easily and inexpensively book another flight and get a sick note from the artist to keep your boss from docking your pay if you miss another two days for a rescheduled show. So saying that fans are stupid to appreciate the effort is what is bullshit.

Originally Posted by bobbye49 (Post 1222786)

The two women next to me at the were from Australia; I'm sure they appreciated the effort.


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Originally Posted by Alphamale (Post 1222785)

I know 99% of everyone on here are diehard Jovi Fans. And up until yesterday, I was a solid fan since the early 80's, .

Originally Posted by Alphamale (Post 1222785)

I know 99% of everyone on here are diehard Jovi Fans. And up until yesterday, I was a solid fan since the early 80's, but come on, the dude claims he was sick since Saturday. He could have easily rescheduled this show.

I'll stick to the basics - I spent $300 on tickets, $70 on merchandise and $25 for parking - everything calculated I dropped over $500 bucks last night. That's a lot of money to see someone upstaged by a bar band singer...singing his song. Add in not playing Wanted (my fav of course) and ending the show like he did - basically he stole a lot of people's money last night as well as demonstrating his lack of respect for his fans.

Make all the excuses for him you want, the guy was greedy and lacked class and creativity last night.

Anyway, it's done and over with. A lesson learned. Have a good evening all.

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1222788)

So you're no longer a fan cos he was sick?

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1222789)

The entitlement of this reaction is laughable.

Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1222741)

Why you didn't go to the show you were offered a free ticket for is beyond me (unless you couldn't go), but that's something you've missed, not me.

Originally Posted by Alphamale (Post 1222790)

Lots of things he could have done to make things right

Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1222794)

Would a note from Jon's doctor make you feel better?

Originally Posted by Alphamale (Post 1222791)

Obviously coming from a mod with no life lol . Always a tough guy behind a computer screen. I was simply stating my thoughts and experience. Good day

Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1222794)

Would a note from Jon's doctor make you feel better?

Originally Posted by Denmad (Post 1222742)

3 last songs:
https://www.periscope.tv/w/1dRKZPlpELzJB

Prayer cuts out during the 1st verse...

Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1222735)

True, we care and see what performing while sick can do to his voice and we'd probably be very understanding if he cancelled our show for that reason. But we are the minority of fans.

The vast majority are not going to appreciate being screwed up at the last minute and losing their travel tickets, hotel reservations, etc. Those are the fans that would take social media by storm to bitch very vocally. The last thing they need after last show's debacle is another shitstorm tbh. In fact I've seen people say "now that Jon has been caught lipsyncing and can't do it again he's all of a sudden sick, how convenient". Imagine if they had cancelled...

This is really a damned if the do, damned if they don't situation so Jon honored their reputation as a hardworking band that never cancels unless something unavoidable forces them (I know we can discuss a few suspiciously re-scheduled shows that were selling poorly, but overall that's what they do)

Originally Posted by rosa3 (Post 1222794)

Would a note from Jon's doctor make you feel better?

Originally Posted by Lucky0003 (Post 1222800)

I totally agree. It's the travel and hotels people have lined up that make cancellations difficult. He needs to really be Superman and never get sick. Ha ha!

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1222784)

If you have to travel to any show you attend, pay for a hotel room, and only get 2 personal days to take off a year at work, you appreciate the effort of doing a shorter show over no show. It's not like you can easily and inexpensively book another flight and get a sick note from the artist to keep your boss from docking your pay if you miss another two days for a rescheduled show. So saying that fans are stupid to appreciate the effort is what is bullshit.

Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1222803)

This tour has mostly been a car crash with just a few good moments. Whatever this band continue to do is damaging the legacy IMO. It should have ended in 2011 but instead we get 2 more substandard albums and a patchy compilation. Bob Jovi were once an amazing live act but now are a mere shadow of that. Sad but true.

Time to pull the plug.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1222813)

I said I appreciate the effort. I didn't say I'd blow a gasket if they cancelled for a good reason (like Tico having surgery). Of course it's a risk you take any time you travel. However, knowing Jon's work ethic is one reason I do travel (and fly) to Bon Jovi shows. He's reliable. I used to fly to see Keith Urban too, but since he cancelled shows to go to rehab, I quit taking the risk of booking flights to see him. I only see him within driving distance.... and his rehab didn't affect any plans I had at all. It just showed that he was not reliable.

There are a lot of reasons people go see Bon Jovi over and over. One is that they show up when and where they are supposed to with VERY few exceptions.

Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1222816)

Everyone knows how much I criticize Jon, but in this regard, he has the right to get sick and cancel a show and people should really respect him for 30 years delivering.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1222820)

Then we agree. If Jon said he was too sick to perform, I would believe him and wish him well. But you have to know that if he cancelled people would also crucify him for that decision. It's like I've said all along. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. He did what he judged the best thing for the most people. I respect THAT.

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1222824)

MSG is postponed due to bronchitis. See Billboard. So, everyone can be happy now, right? He's taking care of his health. Maybe there is enough time for people to get refunds on flights and hotels. One thing is certain-- if you do travel for shows, you should be wise enough to pay the flight and booking insurance to cancel if needed.

Damned if you do...damned if you don't.

Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1222811)

Travel to any show, pay for a hotel room, get 2 days off work to attend to any show - your risk. You, yourself and no one else.



That's a risk you are taking. Nobody forced you or gave to you any guarantees that the show will happen at any cost. He's not a machine, he's a human being like you, like me and he can get sick likewise you and me can.



Am I being too rational?

Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1222792)

Well, I didn't have the patience for what they had become since HAND so I hit the pause button for some years, but I certainly didn't tell anyone how they should feel or tried to convince them not to support such abysmal albums. I practice what I preach but I don't lecture. We spent the money somewhere else and I didn't regret it one bit...
But my point was that I respect that they want to stay relevant and have something to say and even the people who don't care about them give them props for having had a long and very successful career after hitting their peak. But I also think that they should stand by their work if they want me to treat all that big integrity speeches seriously. Even if I don't like them, ignoring whole albums feels as if they are saying "nah that was shit, we didn't put too much effort, wanna forget about it... next" or at the least just needing an excuse to tour again (I only accept the "it was shit" excuse for Fahrenheit because they really didn't have control over their output at that point).

I've said the same a hundred times here and discussing the band with the couple friends who are still fans: if they had kept the songs that were working every tour and gave a few more chances to the ones that didn't go as well as predicted but they believed in them, now they'd have many many familiar songs to choose from and keep everyone happy. Even if an album/single tanked they still did promo, it was on the radio for a time and it has an official video. Chances are, people who like BJ have heard of those songs, even if they don't buy the albums or don't keep up to date.

It's really simple. You have 2-3 singles for album post-Crossroad, you add them to your non-hits singles list and rotate them but make that section a staple. And then add the album cuts that work live, and you rotate them too (they have plenty to choose from). So now you have almost 20 songs to choose in addition to the hits, the 4-5 new songs and Jon's faves (which to be fair are just a couple). That makes a basic setlist for the usually safe NA leg that casuals will like because it has both hits and familiar songs, and diehards won't probably complain too much because there'll be variety with so many y songs to choose from. And the new songs from that tour will become familiar and hopefully one of the album cuts will work and you can add it to the always growing setlist. Easy peasy!

I know Jon's voice dictates most of what he can sing now so it's a moot point, but in the recent past every tour meant ditching almost everything older than the current album, and then pretending the songs should be forgotten because they didn't work... of course they didn't if you don't give them a chance again! People will forget about them, same as they would forget WGIGO if they stopped playing it altogether. It's not a fun song the audience luuuurves because Jon shake his ass, it's a (horrible) song that it's been played to death, no wonder everybody knows it! And that works for any overplayed post-2000 non hit song.


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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1222824)

MSG is postponed due to bronchitis. See Billboard. So, everyone can be happy now, right? He's taking care of his health. Maybe there is enough time for people to get refunds on flights and hotels. One thing is certain-- if you do travel for shows, you should be wise enough to pay the flight and booking insurance to cancel if needed.

Damned if you do...damned if you don't.

Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1222792)

Well, I didn't have the patience for what they had become since HAND so I hit the pause button for some years, but I certainly didn't tell anyone how they should feel or tried to convince them not to support such abysmal albums. I practice what I preach but I don't lecture. We spent the money somewhere else and I didn't regret it one bit...
But my point was that I respect that they want to stay relevant and have something to say and even the people who don't care about them give them props for having had a long and very successful career after hitting their peak. But I also think that they should stand by their work if they want me to treat all that big integrity speeches seriously. Even if I don't like them, ignoring whole albums feels as if they are saying "nah that was shit, we didn't put too much effort, wanna forget about it... next" or at the least just needing an excuse to tour again (I only accept the "it was shit" excuse for Fahrenheit because they really didn't have control over their output at that point).

I've said the same a hundred times here and discussing the band with the couple friends who are still fans: if they had kept the songs that were working every tour and gave a few more chances to the ones that didn't go as well as predicted but they believed in them, now they'd have many many familiar songs to choose from and keep everyone happy. Even if an album/single tanked they still did promo, it was on the radio for a time and it has an official video. Chances are, people who like BJ have heard of those songs, even if they don't buy the albums or don't keep up to date.

It's really simple. You have 2-3 singles for album post-Crossroad, you add them to your non-hits singles list and rotate them but make that section a staple. And then add the album cuts that work live, and you rotate them too (they have plenty to choose from). So now you have almost 20 songs to choose in addition to the hits, the 4-5 new songs and Jon's faves (which to be fair are just a couple). That makes a basic setlist for the usually safe NA leg that casuals will like because it has both hits and familiar songs, and diehards won't probably complain too much because there'll be variety with so many y songs to choose from. And the new songs from that tour will become familiar and hopefully one of the album cuts will work and you can add it to the always growing setlist. Easy peasy!

I know Jon's voice dictates most of what he can sing now so it's a moot point, but in the recent past every tour meant ditching almost everything older than the current album, and then pretending the songs should be forgotten because they didn't work... of course they didn't if you don't give them a chance again! People will forget about them, same as they would forget WGIGO if they stopped playing it altogether. It's not a fun song the audience luuuurves because Jon shake his ass, it's a (horrible) song that it's been played to death, no wonder everybody knows it! And that works for any overplayed post-2000 non hit song.


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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1222868)

Very good arguments.

Just want to add on top of the set list part, well, it's their fault. They could have done exactly what you said and rotate Bed Of Roses, Always and This Ain't A Love Song but they ignored completely TAALS for many, many years. It had a good chart performance in the US market and was huge in Europe, Asia and SA. I'm using TAaLS as an example, but there are many singles that they just ignored and they could have done a better job with it.

Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1222868)

Very good arguments.

Just want to add on top of the set list part, well, it's their fault. They could have done exactly what you said and rotate Bed Of Roses, Always and This Ain't A Love Song but they ignored completely TAALS for many, many years. It had a good chart performance in the US market and was huge in Europe, Asia and SA. I'm using TAaLS as an example, but there are many singles that they just ignored and they could have done a better job with it.

Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1222874)

I get your point, but personally I am glad TAALS is not played so much. Just a mediocre song in my book... But you're right about Bed Of Roses and the point itself. Throw in Thank You For Loving Me, hell even Bells Of Freedom or something like that. Oh, and I'll Be There For You of course!

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1222878)

If we're talking about a mediocre ballad - Thank You For Loving Me shouldn't be near the setlists in my humble opinion! :D

Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1222784)

If you have to travel to any show you attend, pay for a hotel room, and only get 2 personal days to take off a year at work, you appreciate the effort of doing a shorter show over no show. It's not like you can easily and inexpensively book another flight and get a sick note from the artist to keep your boss from docking your pay if you miss another two days for a rescheduled show. So saying that fans are stupid to appreciate the effort is what is bullshit.

Originally Posted by Falco (Post 1222897)

Geez, why would anyone willingly work for a company that only gives 2 personal days? Lol. I get 7 personal days, 15 vacation days, and 10 holidays to use. That's crazy! Sorry, just in shock hearing people get 2 personal days! Should be a crime!