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Faceman 04-14-2017 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223543)
For starters, Jon's entire family were standing below me in a pitted section. It was cool watching their reactions to Jon's performances... They really are a tight family... The oldest son has that "I'm in a fraternity" type of swag... Hanging out with a few of his friends, drinking beer... Him and Matt were laughing at a few girls in the front row. I think they were doing something crazy to get Jon's attention... He really didn't react much to the music. He was playing air maracas to KTF which was cool to see. Jon's wife and daughter are very close, almost like sisters... They shared a lot of laughs together.... His wife was probably into the show the most out of everyone down there... Even his family were more into the classic hits verses the new stuff and looked like fans during LYHOM, Wanted, Prayer, Etc... It was just cool watching them react to Jon. They really do seem like a great family... I can't believe how big Matt got. I remember him when he was just a litter wanna be skater punk from back in the day. He does a good job with security though... I have to hand it to him.

Interesting part, thanks for that!

cqleonardo 04-14-2017 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePunisher (Post 1223522)
The guitar techs have a bunch of different setlists under the stage posted on their pin boards not from any particular show though but it gives an outline of what keys the songs are in and what guitars are needed. I saw one setlist (maybe from rehearsal?) Where the show goes THINFS to Knockout to Wild In the Streets to Bad name.

holy frak that would be amazing

Captmorgs 04-14-2017 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1223541)
N100Y hasn't been done since Crush tour.

Does anyone know if this was the last time Wild in the Streets was done?
Cut to 3:20 to see probably why. I can't recall if Phil has ever done Wild in the Streets.

EDIT: Scratch that, it's been done 5 times since then but not since that tour.



I love Wild In The Streets. And I don't think we're seeing it again. Too bad, Phil would kill it on that solo. (Why the hell did Jon let Bobby butcher the solo with Richie standing right there? Will never understand this and the same with In These Arms.)


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Kathleen 04-14-2017 10:25 PM

I saw it in San Sebastian, Spain in 2011 and that might be the last time. My recollection was that it was a train wreck.

Gabriel Shoes 04-15-2017 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1223541)
N100Y hasn't been done since Crush tour.

Does anyone know if this was the last time Wild in the Streets was done? Bon Jovi doing Wild in the Streets at Mohegan Sun March 4, 2011 - YouTube

Cut to 3:20 to see probably why. I can't recall if Phil has ever done Wild in the Streets.

EDIT: Scratch that, it's been done 5 times since then but not since that tour.

I remember seeing a video of WITS on LH Tour that at the same 3:20 of this video, Jon showed a scared face that was so funny - even himself was surprised by the mess.

That was a funny moment.

efpg0708 04-15-2017 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1223551)
I saw it in San Sebastian, Spain in 2011 and that might be the last time. My recollection was that it was a train wreck.

Actually the beggining of that show was very weird ... Jon was on full autopilot, WITS was a train wreck, Jon missed his cue on BTBMB ... but they somehow recovered after a few songs and put on a hell of a show !!

aljo 04-15-2017 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1223542)
Hearing New Years Day was a highlight for me - it really is great live if you like the new album

Hi Kathleen!
Loved hearing New Year's Day; had a lot of energy. It was one of the few new songs I didn't record....Hope to record it tomorrow night.

Am curious how you thought Jon sounded on the first song, just sounded "strange" to me.....for me to notice it without having any musical inclination whatsoever, I can only imagine what people who do have a musical background thought!

The other 7 people I was with really enjoyed the show, though a few did complain not recognizing the new songs....their own fault really, as I dropboxed them all a copy of the new cd for them to listen to ahead of time.

I am thrilled that he is playing so many new songs. At the last u2 concert I was at, Bono played 6-7 new songs from his new cd also and I remember thinking why doesn't Jon do that.

Kathleen 04-15-2017 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by efpg0708 (Post 1223553)
Actually the beggining of that show was very weird ... Jon was on full autopilot, WITS was a train wreck, Jon missed his cue on BTBMB ... but they somehow recovered after a few songs and put on a hell of a show !!

You are correct - the entire beginning was strange. But they settled down and did a great show. Interestingly I just listened to our recording of that show about a week ago, probably for the first time since I edited it. I have listened to Barcelona and Lisbon but not that one. I realized what a fine show it was. I guess my memory of the beginning stayed with me and I thought it wasn't very good.

ThePunisher 04-15-2017 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1223560)
You are correct - the entire beginning was strange. But they settled down and did a great show. Interestingly I just listened to our recording of that show about a week ago, probably for the first time since I edited it. I have listened to Barcelona and Lisbon but not that one. I realized what a fine show it was. I guess my memory of the beginning stayed with me and I thought it wasn't very good.

Ha, that happened to me a month ago. I used to do IEM taping and in Springsteen's book he was talking about the time at Convention Hall in Asbury back in 1999 when he let a few fans in for an impromptu mini concert. I went back to listen to that IEM after reading it and it was a lot worse than I had remembered :)

Xavi 04-15-2017 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1223551)
I saw it in San Sebastian, Spain in 2011 and that might be the last time. My recollection was that it was a train wreck.

Best show Ive ever been to
One of those magical nights Jon gave us with a setlist full of rarities,I had the feeling during the show that everything could be possible,and when Richie started This Aint A Love Song I had one of my best moments on a BJ concert ever.

On the other hand,someone said that the last time Next 100 years was played was during the Crush tour,but I remember it was played again during the european one wild night tour.

Kokutetsu101 04-15-2017 01:13 PM

I just saw this setlist on facebook...
Setlist:

1. This House Is Not for Sale
2. Knockout
3. You Give Love a Bad Name
4. Lost Highway
5. Whole Lot of Leavin'
6. Roller Coaster
7. We Weren't Born to Follow
8. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
9. We Got It Goin' On
10. Who Says You Can't Go Home
11. It's My Life
12. We Don't Run
13. God Bless This Mess
14. Scars on This Guitar
15. New Year's Day
16. Lay Your Hands on Me
17. Born to Be My Baby
18. Have A Nice Day
19. Bad Medicine
20. Keep the Faith

Encore:
21. Raise Your Hands
22. Runaway
23. Captain Crash & The Beauty Queen From Mars
24. Blood on Blood
25. Some Day I'll be Saturday Night
26. Always
27. Wanted Dead or Alive
28. Livin' on a Prayer

Bounce7800 04-15-2017 01:15 PM

That's the standard set list plus all the audibles

Nige 04-15-2017 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1223565)
On the other hand,someone said that the last time Next 100 years was played was during the Crush tour,but I remember it was played again during the european one wild night tour.

You are quite right - it wasn't a staple in 2001 but it did get played. The last performance was 22nd July 2001

Captain_jovi 04-15-2017 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1223565)

On the other hand,someone said that the last time Next 100 years was played was during the Crush tour,but I remember it was played again during the european one wild night tour.

That was me, you're right. To me those two tours kind of blended together but it was def 2001 the last time it was played.

cqleonardo 04-15-2017 07:19 PM

I can't watch any vid of the new songs being played, everytime I try I weep of anxiety for my show

Rdkopper 04-15-2017 07:27 PM

Really? 10 pages and only 3 posts that have to do with the actual show itself...
The most anticipated, arguably the best show to date, monster reviews and nothing left to say???

I think I've learned more about The Next 100 Years then I've ever cared to learn about...

Being at the show, I was hoping to read other perspectives but I get it... it's just the same show over and over again...

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Becky 04-15-2017 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223576)
Really? 10 pages and only 3 posts that have to do with the actual show itself...
The most anticipated, arguably the best show to date, monster reviews and nothing left to say???

I think I've learned more about The Next 100 Years then I've ever cared to learn about...

Being at the show, I was hoping to read other perspectives but I get it... it's just the same show over and over again...

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Some people continue to want to do nothing but complain about shows they didn't even attend and to hell with you or your opinion if you were actually there and enjoyed yourself.

Rdkopper 04-15-2017 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1223577)
Some people continue to want to do nothing but complain about shows they didn't even attend and to hell with you or your opinion if you were actually there and enjoyed yourself.

Yeah... pretty much!!! It's like watching a Broadway play online... You get the gist of it but there's nothing like being there in person. Totally different experience...

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Panda 04-15-2017 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223578)
Yeah... pretty much!!! It's like watching a Broadway play online... You get the gist of it but there's nothing like being there in person. Totally different experience...

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Quit acting like none of us have been to a Bon Jovi show.

Out of the 18 or so shows I've been to, I've been to two really shitty ones and people still loved it. I heard rave reviews all the way through the parking lot both times. People get caught up in the moment, but I expect better because I know they can be better. If you're one of the people who are okay with mediocrity and can appreciate it, then good for you.

Rdkopper 04-15-2017 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1223579)
Quit acting like none of us have been to a Bon Jovi show.

Out of the 18 or so shows I've been to, I've been to two really shitty ones and people still loved it. I heard rave reviews all the way through the parking lot both times. People get caught up in the moment, but I expect better because I know they can be better. If you're one of the people who are okay with mediocrity and can appreciate it, then good for you.

Shouldn't you be practicing for your big Bon Jovi cover album???

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Panda 04-15-2017 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223581)
Shouldn't you be practicing for your big Bon Jovi cover album???

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No need. The new songs are easy enough to play on the spot. We're ready

bj4ever 04-15-2017 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223576)
Really? 10 pages and only 3 posts that have to do with the actual show itself...
The most anticipated, arguably the best show to date, monster reviews and nothing left to say???

I think I've learned more about The Next 100 Years then I've ever cared to learn about...

Being at the show, I was hoping to read other perspectives but I get it... it's just the same show over and over again...

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I think this place in general isn't as popular as it once was. I get that the shows are similar and people have the right to get annoyed and be critical, but there definitely is a minority of people who seem to have nothing to do but contribute to a negative atmosphere here and it gets old pretty quickly. I get that alot are not happy with where this band is at the moment, but I have a hard time to understand how and why they feel as though they have to constantly post and repeat themselves as soon as someone, somewhere has something good or positive to say.

Anyways, having been around on here since 2001 ish, this isn't really new, but I get how people don't even bother with participating in these discussions anymore.

Rdkopper 04-15-2017 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bj4ever (Post 1223583)
I think this place in general isn't as popular as it once was. I get that the shows are similar and people have the right to get annoyed and be critical, but there definitely is a minority of people who seem to have nothing to do but contribute to a negative atmosphere here and it gets old pretty quickly. I get that alot are not happy with where this band is at the moment, but I have a hard time to understand how and why they feel as though they have to constantly post and repeat themselves as soon as someone, somewhere has something good or positive to say.

Anyways, having been around on here since 2001 ish, this isn't really new, but I get how people don't even bother with participating in these discussions anymore.

I agree... Bon Jovi aren't mainstream anymore and I think that takes away from most people's interest... it's almost like an underground following now... Even the fans attending the concerts seemed different... And I don't mean older... We'll kind of...

10 years ago, it just seemed to be everyday people of all ages... now it just seems like core fans... or for another example, 10 years ago, there were kids in their 20's going and now 10 years later, those kids who are now in their 30's are not there...

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Panda 04-15-2017 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bj4ever (Post 1223583)
I think this place in general isn't as popular as it once was. I get that the shows are similar and people have the right to get annoyed and be critical, but there definitely is a minority of people who seem to have nothing to do but contribute to a negative atmosphere here and it gets old pretty quickly. I get that alot are not happy with where this band is at the moment, but I have a hard time to understand how and why they feel as though they have to constantly post and repeat themselves as soon as someone, somewhere has something good or positive to say.

Anyways, having been around on here since 2001 ish, this isn't really new, but I get how people don't even bother with participating in these discussions anymore.

Quite the opposite dude. This place has died because the majority of diehards have moved on and realized how shitty Bon Jovi's new album and sound is.

I'm just here because I'm a procrastinating University student that should be doing his homework. When I get a job and start a life I'd expect my involvement here to drift away as well.

Christine 04-15-2017 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1223585)
Quite the opposite dude. This place has died because the majority of diehards have moved on and realized how shitty Bon Jovi's new album and sound is.

I'm just here because I'm a procrastinating University student that should be doing his homework. When I get a job and start a life I'd expect my involvement here to drift away as well.

I've just logged back on to this board for the first time in years and the popups are killing my computer...it's hard to read the board with pop ups on both sides of the screen and the bottom, and background popups. Super sketchy ones too like "Your computer has contracted a virus and must be shut down" BS.

Christine 04-15-2017 08:44 PM

Hi Panda, that was me posting on Twitter! I bought a ticket a few days before the show because the price dropped from $209 (Ticketmaster face value) to $149 (Stubhub). I was in the first row of my section (103) so I could get some good photos with my camera from across the arena. Jon's voice sounded pretty solid throughout I thought. Not the vocal issues I was expecting but not the best voice ever. However, with the excitement and live atmosphere, people aren't usually nitpicking the vocals. People are drinking beer and dancing and enjoying themselves. It's interesting that there were no screens for this tour - first I can remember without being able to see Jumbotrons.

The acoustic opening of Blood on Blood was the best moment of the show for me by far. I was so excited to hear Runaway - not because I am obsessed with the song per se, but because I knew it was going to be the "rarest" song of the night.

I was at the March 5th, 2011 show and what a stunning difference...I remember it very well when they were playing Someday I'll Be Saturday Night and the sound cut out. The band didn't notice at first and kept playing. It was a strange sight to see them singing and playing but no sound was audible... Jon was clearly and visibly furious. But what a show that turned out to be. Reminded me of my first ever Bon Jovi show - Albany 2001 - where the organ broke and the arena went dark for a few minutes. Lots of stamping, clapping, cheering in the dark. Jon came back out and said "Give me an acoustic guitar, I'm not afraid" and played a stunning mini-acoustic set. I was in 9th grade. Still the best show I've seen of theirs and it gives me chills to remember it.

Anyway, the MSG show was fun, sure, but it's not one I'll remember decades later. I'm glad I went and got some merchandise, met up with old friends, had a good time.

jazzsta 04-15-2017 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 1223586)
I've just logged back on to this board for the first time in years and the popups are killing my computer...it's hard to read the board with pop ups on both sides of the screen and the bottom, and background popups. Super sketchy ones too like "Your computer has contracted a virus and must be shut down" BS.

Yes I agree. If it wasnt for addblock I wouldnt be able to be here.

Moderators, if u want traffic, reduce the spam advertisements.

Panda 04-15-2017 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 1223587)
Hi Panda, that was me posting on Twitter! I bought a ticket a few days before the show because the price dropped from $209 (Ticketmaster face value) to $149 (Stubhub). I was in the first row of my section (103) so I could get some good photos with my camera from across the arena. Jon's voice sounded pretty solid throughout I thought. Not the vocal issues I was expecting but not the best voice ever. However, with the excitement and live atmosphere, people aren't usually nitpicking the vocals. People are drinking beer and dancing and enjoying themselves. It's interesting that there were no screens for this tour - first I can remember without being able to see Jumbotrons.

The acoustic opening of Blood on Blood was the best moment of the show for me by far. I was so excited to hear Runaway - not because I am obsessed with the song per se, but because I knew it was going to be the "rarest" song of the night.

I was at the March 5th, 2011 show and what a stunning difference...I remember it very well when they were playing Someday I'll Be Saturday Night and the sound cut out. The band didn't notice at first and kept playing. It was a strange sight to see them singing and playing but no sound was audible... Jon was clearly and visibly furious. But what a show that turned out to be. Reminded me of my first ever Bon Jovi show - Albany 2001 - where the organ broke and the arena went dark for a few minutes. Lots of stamping, clapping, cheering in the dark. Jon came back out and said "Give me an acoustic guitar, I'm not afraid" and played a stunning mini-acoustic set. I was in 9th grade. Still the best show I've seen of theirs and it gives me chills to remember it.

Anyway, the MSG show was fun, sure, but it's not one I'll remember decades later. I'm glad I went and got some merchandise, met up with old friends, had a good time.


I totally feel you! I remember my first two Bon Jovi shows like yesterday. They were pure magic. I've paid to see over a 100 different live bands, and it was these shows that hooked me in and turned me into a diehard. I bought the entire discography within a month of seeing those shows, and shortly after joined this board.

I just don't see that magic anymore. You see glimpses, and people hold on to those. They have indeed shown up a few times in this tour, but not often, and only lasting minutes.

I just don't buy this "you have to be there" bs. I've been to enough shows to understand what it feels like to "be there".


Some bands are really killing it now, and some are even pretty new that have shown the same magic I saw from Bon Jovi previously. The awe and thanksgiving of being on stage performing. The wonder that you pull the audience in with you. Right now, it's a stage show - and anyone can do that. Hell, I saw Justin Bieber and he puts on a hell of a stage show. That's normal. What I want and expect is just something more. I see absolutely no evidence of Jon this tour absolutely loving what he does.

Captain.Crash 04-15-2017 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223584)
I agree... Bon Jovi aren't mainstream anymore and I think that takes away from most people's interest... it's almost like an underground following now... Even the fans attending the concerts seemed different... And I don't mean older... We'll kind of...

10 years ago, it just seemed to be everyday people of all ages... now it just seems like core fans... or for another example, 10 years ago, there were kids in their 20's going and now 10 years later, those kids who are now in their 30's are not there...

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What's funny is that I noticed in Toronto it's either the diehards or the distant casual fan. And that's why these setlists done work for either.

Rdkopper 04-15-2017 09:33 PM

This.... And I totally get what you mean by distant... People who don't really like or hate the band but just want to go because they just want to see the show...

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Bounce7800 04-15-2017 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzsta (Post 1223588)
Yes I agree. If it wasnt for addblock I wouldnt be able to be here.

Moderators, if u want traffic, reduce the spam advertisements.

Nothing we can do about that I'm afraid.

jazzsta 04-15-2017 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1223606)
Nothing we can do about that I'm afraid.

oh well, whoever is responsible, that is obviously a bad choice marketingwise for this website.

Only some obscure porn site could hold on to such heavy advertisements :-D

Lucky0003 04-15-2017 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Christine (Post 1223586)
I've just logged back on to this board for the first time in years and the popups are killing my computer...it's hard to read the board with pop ups on both sides of the screen and the bottom, and background popups. Super sketchy ones too like "Your computer has contracted a virus and must be shut down" BS.



I know what you mean. Viewing this board on my PC is impossible. I now use the Tapatalk app with no problems. Otherwise I stayed away from here.


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Gabriel Shoes 04-15-2017 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223584)
I agree... Bon Jovi aren't mainstream anymore and I think that takes away from most people's interest... it's almost like an underground following now... Even the fans attending the concerts seemed different... And I don't mean older... We'll kind of...

10 years ago, it just seemed to be everyday people of all ages... now it just seems like core fans... or for another example, 10 years ago, there were kids in their 20's going and now 10 years later, those kids who are now in their 30's are not there...

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Well, I guess it is what it is. Similar to what happened to them in the US in the 90s. They had built a fanbase of young people and when they were around in their 30s they turned their backs on them.

Those people will return when they pass through this. People tend to get nostalgic when becoming older and settled down.

However, I just don't think Jon's voice will last for too long.

cqleonardo 04-16-2017 01:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osnw...be&app=desktop]
cool to see him having fun

cqleonardo 04-16-2017 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1223610)
However, I just don't think Jon's voice will last for too long.

dude... there is some stuff he can do to try to make it better, lowing the tone of the songs, surgery...

Captain.Crash 04-16-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223598)
This.... And I totally get what you mean by distant... People who don't really like or hate the band but just want to go because they just want to see the show...

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Yup. They won tickets or had Bon Jovi on their bucket list. But then they don't hear I'll be there for you... Bed of roses.... Runaway.. etc. And all of the sudden crash, LH, WGIGO, WFTWM WLOL fall on deaf ears because the die hards are sick of those songs and the casuals don't know them. The difference between crowds on the HAND tour to now is staggering.

Rdkopper 04-16-2017 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain.Crash (Post 1223695)
Yup. They won tickets or had Bon Jovi on their bucket list. But then they don't hear I'll be there for you... Bed of roses.... Runaway.. etc. And all of the sudden crash, LH, WGIGO, WFTWM WLOL fall on deaf ears because the die hards are sick of those songs and the casuals don't know them. The difference between crowds on the HAND tour to now is staggering.

Agree 100%

Captain.Crash 04-16-2017 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1223696)
Agree 100%

What ive never understood is why JBJ keeps this act up. He knows exactly what im talking about and yet continues to do it.

If you're gonna play 5 songs every night that nobody in the crowd wants to hear, why not start a huge continuous rotation showing the depth of your catalogue. Someone goes home and says "There was this Cowboy Ride song, sounded kinda cool" then they look it up and see it was from New Jersey. As die hards if there was 3-5 slots in the set that could change every night and could be any possible song. Hell I don't even care if its the song Complicated, but it would surprise me. There are so many songs they could go to, that he could potentially sing, that would make this board go nuts.

There's no possible way he thinks the whole building knows or wants to hear some of the songs he's choosing - and I do believe that's why some of the crowds didn't sell out, and why others were very subdued.

Ill stop there - cause i'll get worked up further.

ThePunisher 04-16-2017 06:26 PM

I liked this tour. I liked being able to listen to all the shows via the digital downloads. I won't ever criticize Jon or this band for going out and supporting a new record with new band members. Was it boring? Sure. But that's ok. He could just sit home in his big mansion on the Navesink and never be heard from again, but he chooses not to and I'm fine with that.


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