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Rdkopper 07-04-2017 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1225771)
Not a bad theory, but it probably was a little different. In the book "Bon Jovi - In Their Own Words" there's an interview where Jon or Richie told that Crossroad was only released because they took so long to get These Days done. The band wasn't too pleased with the decision at first, but the company executives didn't want to take the risk of an expanded time span like they had between New Jersey and Keep The Faith, so the finally agreed to the idea.
In a different interview Jon stated they had trashed all the first recordings, not because the songs weren't there, but due to him not liking the sound of the instruments. This was what ultimately lead to the huge delay which led to Crossroad.
Where you probably have a point is when it comes to the song choice for the album. I think they really pushed for more ballads being on there after Always had become such a success.

Great info... but it's nice to know that we have a little Sex Sells thing going on here... 'Open All Night' The album before the album!!!

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Rdkopper 07-04-2017 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1225773)
I guess "Water into wine" is the electric version of Bitter Wine...

I wouldn't assume that... If someone saw, Why Aren't You Dead on a list, they could say that morphed into I'll Sleep When I'm Dead which obviously isn't true

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jovifan93 07-04-2017 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzsta (Post 1225763)
why aren't you dead has a lot of similarities with I'll sleep when I'm dead. The choruses are almost same, no? BJ have had the tendency to write similar songs during a period, evolve them in parallel and finally chose one to be at the album. So to me it doesn't make much sense to be from 1994.

Sorry, but I don't see the similarity between these two. Also, the sound of the band is totally different, which is why I would go with RDs 1994 theory for the time being...

bonjovi90 07-04-2017 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1225773)
I guess "Water into wine" is the electric version of Bitter Wine
I didnt know it,I always thought BW was from TDays era,not from KTF's one.
It has sense cause the equality to Little Help From My Friends that was usually played those years.

No, the verses of "Water Into Wine" are essentially what we have in In These Arms nowadays. Jon and David had been working on that song and I remember Jon saying that the verses were great, but they never got the chorus working. And then Richie came over with a solo title he had in his mind, called "If You Were In These Arms Tonight" and they basically fixed the chorus.
In an interview for the 2010 Greatest Hits album they told the story again.
From 5:14 onwards:


jovifan93 07-04-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1225782)
No, the verses of "Water Into Wine" are essentially what we have in In These Arms nowadays. Jon and David had been working on that song and I remember Jon saying that the verses were great, but they never got the chorus working. And then Richie came over with a solo title he had in his mind, called "If You Were In These Arms Tonight" and they basically fixed the chorus.
In an interview for the 2010 Greatest Hits album they told the story again.
From 5:14 onwards:

Bon Jovi - GH track by track interview - YouTube

Thanks, I remembered there was a story about that song, but couldn't remember what it was. Strange I could've missed In These Arms on that sheet, since it's one of the best songs of the album ;-)

EDIT: and concerning the video: god, Jon still looked so young and fit compared to today, whereas Richie looked like sh*t...

Rdkopper 07-04-2017 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1225781)
Sorry, but I don't see the similarity between these two. Also, the sound of the band is totally different, which is why I would go with RDs 1994 theory for the time being...

That's all I needed to read... I moved both of these under the Open All Night sessions... and I already had moved it within my collection too...

For starters...I think Obie is very trustworthy... Not only does his list contain years but it also contains little tidbits. Ie recording locations...

I also think the vocals alone dictate the difference... even though there is only a 2 Year Gap, there is a very distinct difference between the two sounds... The KTF tracks seem much more polished and complete, where as the Open All Night tracks are move vocal driven and instrumental... Jon almost comes across like he's screaming at times and that is evident in both tracks....

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Rdkopper 07-04-2017 02:50 PM

I do have one reservation and this might have been discussed in other topics but I think that most, if not all of the vocals for Miss 4th Of July were rerecorded... They don't match a 1992 JBJ at all...

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jovifan93 07-04-2017 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1225788)
I do have one reservation and this might have been discussed in other topics but I think that most, if not all of the vocals for Miss 4th Of July were rerecorded... They don't match a 1992 JBJ at all...

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Agreed, sounds more like post 2000 JBJ.

bonjovi90 07-04-2017 02:59 PM

There surely were some late overdubs done to some of the Box Set tracks and I tend to believe that these vocals (or maybe the entire version) might stem from these sessions. I agree that the voice sounds like Jon in the early 2000's. Maybe the old recording was either damaged or they just had laid down a track with a guide vocal line and never fully fleshed it out, so they decided to honor this great song by giving it a proper production.

EDIT: Two other scenarios I've just been thinking of:
1. Along with Thief of Hearts, Last Man Standing etc. they might've tried to re-do the song for a possible inclusion on TLFR, but dropped the plan after the recording sessions had gone "more left".

2. During the time of endless demos for Crush they might've considered using that tune since they weren't certain of the direction they wanted to head into. They definitely had a look into their vaults back then since another KTF outtake, Starting All Over Again, got re-recorded in 2000 as well.

Nige 07-04-2017 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1225791)
2. During the time of endless demos for Crush they might've considered using that tune since they weren't certain of the direction they wanted to head into. They definitely had a look into their vaults back then since another KTF outtake, Starting All Over Again, got re-recorded in 2000 as well.

Starting All Over Again is just a different vocal take isn't it? The guide vocals I seem to recall - Obie thought they were better than the final demo ones. Wrongly IMO.


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