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Captain_jovi 07-04-2017 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nige (Post 1225794)
Starting All Over Again is just a different vocal take isn't it? The guide vocals I seem to recall - Obie thought they were better than the final demo ones. Wrongly IMO.

Yep.

Also we can't use quality of vocal tracks to differentiate years. Some of these demos are guide tracks and some sound much more polished.

Bounce7800 07-04-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Nige (Post 1225794)
Starting All Over Again is just a different vocal take isn't it? The guide vocals I seem to recall - Obie thought they were better than the final demo ones. Wrongly IMO.

You mean you don't prefer Arting all over again? :p

Captain_jovi 07-04-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1225772)
Agreed. There was a song called Danger Zone which made have been left off (since I can't conclude from the title along what it could've morphed into) and another one called Afraid of the Night. Jon had mentioned both in a TV interview when they just had started with the writing for the album. The latter most likely turned into The Hardest Part Is The Night.

From 6:19 onwards:
Jon Bon Jovi | TV Interviews 1985 - YouTube

Afraid of the Night could have also become We Rule The Night. The box set version sounds like a really really early version (drum machine is a dead giveaway). If Jon didn't play bass on that I'd be shocked.

Nige 07-04-2017 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1225795)
Yep.

Also we can't use quality of vocal tracks to differentiate years. Some of these demos are guide tracks and some sound much more polished.

True, but I'm talking about the quality of the singing!

Nige 07-04-2017 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1225796)
You mean you don't prefer Arting all over again? :p

Why Jon? Why?!?!?

bonjovi90 07-04-2017 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nige (Post 1225794)
Starting All Over Again is just a different vocal take isn't it? The guide vocals I seem to recall - Obie thought they were better than the final demo ones. Wrongly IMO.

I seem to recall them saying thay re-did it on the Box Set Bonus DVD. But it's been years since I watched it, so my memory is a bit clouded here.
It just seems to me that Jon is pushing himself almost over the edge to sing those raspy vocals in that key whereas it sounded so natural on the KTF outtake. That's why I have a hard time believing that it's just a different vocal take from the same session. Furthermore, Jon's guide vocals on the rehearsals for An Evening With BJ or on Does Anybody Fall In Love Anymore (Sons of Beaches version) are much more lazy, so I can't see why he would've pushed that hard if this wasn't the final take.

bonjovi90 07-04-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1225797)
Afraid of the Night could have also become We Rule The Night. The box set version sounds like a really really early version (drum machine is a dead giveaway). If Jon didn't play bass on that I'd be shocked.

That could very well be true! Maybe it was Alec - remember that we're used to Hugh on the studio records and Alec was playing on 7800° Fahrenheit :p

jovifan93 07-04-2017 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Nige (Post 1225794)
Starting All Over Again is just a different vocal take isn't it? The guide vocals I seem to recall - Obie thought they were better than the final demo ones. Wrongly IMO.

Yeah, never understood that as well. The KTF bonus version is perfect, that other version (as you said, I believe it's just another vocal take) is horrible by comparison...

Faceman 07-04-2017 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1225777)
Great info... but it's nice to know that we have a little Sex Sells thing going on here... 'Open All Night' The album before the album!!!

I like that idea.
During all those years I always found it hard to believe, that songs like The End, When She Comes, Prostitute, even Lonely At The Top and also the Box Set songs like Open All Night, Flesh and Bone or I Just Wanna Be Your Man were written for These Days. They all sound waaaaay to different than the songs that made the album.
So I really think it might be true that there was the idea for "Open All Night" but that it's been completely rejected.

Faceman 07-04-2017 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1225791)
There surely were some late overdubs done to some of the Box Set tracks

There absolutely were. I remember some footage (I don't know if it was on the Box Set DVD or somewhere else) where Jon recorded some acoustic guitar parts for I Get A Rush. So they definitely worked on some of those songs prior to their release.


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