Originally Posted by WhamATC (Post 1243984)

You Can Sleep While I Dream vocals sound like everything from the 90's to 2000/2001 for me.
I think it might be from TD or Crush, more likely Crush by how it overall sounds and feels like.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1243985)

Yep, it sounds all over the place for me too in terms of different things being added in different eras.

Btw. Jon quoted George B. Shaw in that song:
"Some people see things as they are and ask why
I dream things that never were
(I take my shot) and say why not?"

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1243960)

1. The original song sketch really is from around 1993/94 since the whole song structure and melody fit too well. However, Jon may have decided that it needed different lyrics and that songwriter team worked out new ones for that after having finished copying One of Us from Joan Osbourne. :p
In the end, the song wasn't the direction the band wanted to take and it went back into the vault and then onto the Box Set.

Originally Posted by Grantos1 (Post 1244042)

Just to clear something up which I haven't seen on this thread - in 1996 Jon recorded material (I Get a Rush, River Runs Dry etc) which I am sure wasn't with the rest of the band and had to be finished for the boxset.

Was he planning a solo record at this time or was it going to end up a band album? Obviously either way, he went to London and changed courses with what he was doing, I just wondered if anyone knew what they were intended for?

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1243960)

Those Box Set songs are tough ones most of the time due to the Diamond-Ring-theory.

Jon has said on numerous occasions that there have always been songs they went back to because they weren't deemed "ready" yet at one point or didn't fit the album's theme in the end (I remember at one point Jon saying that the KTF album essentially had been written around the track Diamond Ring, yet it didn't make the cut).

Miss Fourth of July was written in 1991, yet the recording we know sounds like it had been recorded later than that. Drive was written in 1991, but released in 1997 and maybe even reworked there. I'm still convinced that they did reconsider Starting All Over Again at some point because the Box Set version sounds like he has to strain his vocals considerably and is much more out of his comfort zone.

I think they revisited some of their song ideas while preparing for Crush, simply because they had no idea where in which direction they should go and the lack of coherence on the record shows that.

And (I may be the only one here) to me some of the material from the post-DA/pre-Crush vacuum sounds somewhat similar to some of the Crossroad/Open All Night songs.

All points provided for You Can Sleep While I Dream are definintely valid, so I have two theories about that one:
1. The original song sketch really is from around 1993/94 since the whole song structure and melody fit too well. However, Jon may have decided that it needed different lyrics and that songwriter team worked out new ones for that after having finished copying One of Us from Joan Osbourne. :p
In the end, the song wasn't the direction the band wanted to take and it went back into the vault and then onto the Box Set.

2. Jon trying to emulate Saturday Night. Last year, he said in a Q&A that his regret about These Days was that he didn't put Saturday Night on there and made it the first single. So he's always had a soft spot for that song and may have wanted to do a similar one for Crush, hence the chord progressions being so close.

Now we should blame Obie for not labeling anything properly and leaving us with so much stuff to figure out about it.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1244057)

I had such an obsession with Crazy Love until I heard Tom Petty's Here Comes My Girl :(

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1244043)

That year always confused me, 1996. I know there was some interview from the 90's saying Jon had a mobile studio outside each venue and he would record demos for D.A using the band. I wonder if these songs stemmed from that, even though it's clear those songs contain no other band members. To me the songs sound post D.A. pre Crush but who knows.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1244068)

I Get A Rush also sounds more post-DA/pre-Crush to me, but in my opinion it was also Jon's attempt to re-write Rockin' All Over The World (which was played up and down on the TD tour).
Rivers Run Dry always sounded close to the TD vibe to me. So I can very much believe that it was from 1996.
Destination Anywhere had a very distinct sound and the songs that Jon wrote for it didn't necessarily reflect the stuff he was writing on other occasions. I Talk To Jesus and I Don't Wanna Live Forever wouldn't fit on the regular album too well either.
So those two may have been from 1996, but didn't capture the sound Jon was gunning for.

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1244088)

Aloha !



I Get A Rush is a demo for Destination Anywhere, it was written in 1996. Jon did plan another solo record in 1998 or 1999 though - I think some sort of compilation with a bunch of new songs. I reckon I Get A Rush was recorded after the Destination Anywhere tour in 1997 had ended and before it's second leg in 1998. The second leg would make sense as shows had been booked yet a supposedly new solo record wasn't released.

River Runs Dry is from the first demo sessions for These Days in early 1994. It was recorded in the same period as Always and Someday I'll Be Saturday Night along with Letter To A Friend, Nobody's Hero and a few others I can't remember.

I Don't Want To Live Forever was after the release of Destination Anywhere. It's intro and overall sound sounds very much like Stereophonic's Local Boy in the Photograph which was released in March 1997. I think this one was recorded in one of those mobil units as drums usually sound a lot more polished on a Bon Jovi demo.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1244088)

Aloha !
River Runs Dry is from the first demo sessions for These Days in early 1994. It was recorded in the same period as Always and Someday I'll Be Saturday Night along with Letter To A Friend, Nobody's Hero and a few others I can't remember.
Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1244091)

Shame River Runs Dry wasn't used. Id take this on These Days over Diamond Ring any day!

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1244093)

I'd take Diamond Ring over What About Now any day!

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1244088)

Aloha !
River Runs Dry is from the first demo sessions for These Days in early 1994. It was recorded in the same period as Always and Someday I'll Be Saturday Night along with Letter To A Friend, Nobody's Hero and a few others I can't remember.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1244104)

I mean at this point, barring someone associated with these songs, no amount of discussion will bring truth out. I truly don't believe it's pre '98 but that's me. To me it has that late 90's sound but who's to say what instruments were added after the fact.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1244105)

But it's fun discussing it :D

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1244107)

I wish more people cared about the music side of the band and the album tracks.

Originally Posted by jazzsta (Post 1244108)

it is good that here we are a few who can discuss these things.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1244110)

I'm sure he wasn't talking about you.

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1244117)

There's video footage of them recording Prostitute in the basement of Jon's old house, I know Prostitute and When She Comes came from those early early sessions so I would assume NJ but don't know for certain. I wonder if the liner notes for the singles say so?

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1244119)

Gonna check that tomorrow, but where exactly did that footage appear?

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1244122)

The BJ TV for the box set I'm pretty sure it was. The clip of Tico pretending to/actually fall asleep at the drums it does a quick cut and you hear the first bars of Prostitute. I believe they were also recording the electric version of Bitter Wine at that session too.

Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1244123)

You are entirely correct. I haven't watched that footage for almost 15 years so I just dug it out. You can hear part of the verse for Bitter Wine (I stole you a Rose). Good stuff and I had forgotten all about it.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1244124)

The box set came out 15 years ago? Jeez, you're right. Wow. We're very close to HAND being a 15 year old album.