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rolo_tomachi 08-20-2017 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jdanielross (Post 1226959)
At one point, I was pretty obsessed with this band. I didn't even blink about not going to this last tour. I enjoyed the latest album but didn't give it weeks-on-end listening as I did other albums in the past. Jon still writes good hooks and good melodies, but the power of his voice — which can take a song to next-level status — has prevented them from making great songs.

RS being gone and the inclusion of so many supporting players makes this feel like a tribute act in many ways (IMO, of course). Plus, Jon stands and yells and doesn't have the erergy of one of the best frontmen in rock as he used to (I get it, he's older, but compare 2017 JBJ to 2017 Axl, Hetfield, Bono, Eddie Vedder — all of them are not where they once were vocally, but all runs circles around JBJ these days as a frontman).

My theory is he doesn't really want to do this anymore but isn't sure what else to do, has a payroll to meet, still has ambitions that require him to increase his net worth, etc.

I'm 90% of the way to simply remembering the band as a band that ruled the stage circa 1986-2000 and ignoring most everything they do from here on out. Father Time is undefeated, as they say.

I am so grateful for the music and memories I have with Bon Jovi's shows and albums, but I think I'm only 10% holding out that they can make me care again about anything but the past (and I don't want to be THAT guy, who only lives in the past).

Agree.

For me a good escape is the new music, or rediscover the old music.

After the death of Chester and Chris, I thought a lot about it. I mean, there is something special when a band that you like, launches a new song, that's wonderful, now imagine that some of your favorite bands, something happens to their singer, some health problem or death. The sad thing about all this is not only that it is gone forever, the tragedy is that you will never hear a new song from your favorite singer or band.

Regardless of what I want for Bon Jovi (always the best), I still follow the expectations of a new studio release. I can not say the same about the tours unfortunately.

steel_horse75 08-20-2017 11:24 PM

What most disturbing is that Jbj hasn't sung for about 3 months and TD was awful. You can't defend that.

I love the band as I have since 1988 but even I would now think twice about buying a ticket to a uk gig.

It's not the same. The stage is full of people I don't know ( I like phil but it's no Richie) and his voice is shot.

Stupidly I'd probably still buy a ticket out of loyalty.

rolo_tomachi 08-20-2017 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1226963)
What most disturbing is that Jbj hasn't sung for about 3 months and TD was awful. You can't defend that.

I love the band as I have since 1988 but even I would now think twice about buying a ticket to a uk gig.

It's not the same. The stage is full of people I don't know ( I like phil but it's no Richie) and his voice is shot.

Stupidly I'd probably still buy a ticket out of loyalty.

I could not buy that ticket because I would not be happy being there. So I tell myself that this tour will let it go and maybe in the next tour will be different in a better way. There are other bands that I hope (or I would like) to see this year and next.

Metallica
Aerosmith
Stone Sour
Foo Fighters
And maybe Alter Bridge and U2.



This is a great party and Steven is superhuman

liljovi93 08-21-2017 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1226963)
What most disturbing is that Jbj hasn't sung for about 3 months and TD was awful. You can't defend that.

I love the band as I have since 1988 but even I would now think twice about buying a ticket to a uk gig.

It's not the same. The stage is full of people I don't know ( I like phil but it's no Richie) and his voice is shot.

Stupidly I'd probably still buy a ticket out of loyalty.

Agreed. And what's more annoying is that I get a load of abuse on Twitter for saying JBJ sounds shit. How can anyone defend his vocals? It's baffling.

I get that he's trying and I praise him for having some bollocks for trying some tough songs, but when they're a step down and sound like THAT, it's time to give up.

Man, I absolutely love this band and I actually do feel quite sad when I see/hear him struggling like that but I've got no sympathy at the same time because HE is in charge and HE knows his limits.

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JerseyGiant 08-21-2017 01:19 AM

I love "This House"
I love Phil X
I love that Dave Hugh and The Hitman Tico are still doing there thing
I Love and ADMIRE that Jon is obviously trying
But that "Ill Be There For You" breaks my heart... slowed down to shit, no acoustic... nothing
Ill defend my hero and my band to the very end but this is the first time that Ive ever wanted it to actually stop... here's to Rio, like others have said Guns, Aerosmith if Jons gonna bring it, it needs to be then

jesyjames 08-21-2017 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JerseyGiant (Post 1226967)
Ill defend my hero and my band to the very end but this is the first time that Ive ever wanted it to actually stop...

I had a very similar experience this time around looking at the clips. I came away with this vague depression that something I love so much only exists in memory. And, for the sake of legacy, I found myself wishing it was over.

When you combine Jon being unable to sing with how absolutely miserable/uncomfortable he looks up there, I just want the misery to be over. For him, for us.

This comes from a place of deep love. I don't think there's any ill will here from fans commenting on it.

The good news is that Jon could still go on doing small acoustic shows that his voice is much more suited for now and doing all the great humanitarian work that brings him the most joy anyway.

That said, I know there are fans who are still thrilled with the product they are getting and I don't begrudge them that. I am happy for them.

JackieBlue 08-21-2017 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1226965)
...but when they're a step down and sound like THAT, it's time to give up.

Man, I absolutely love this band and I actually do feel quite sad when I see/hear him struggling like that but I've got no sympathy at the same time because HE is in charge and HE knows his limits...


I haven't weighed in much about Jon's vocal issues other than to say that I think it's more than just vocal cord problems. I simply refuse to criticize a man when I think he is honestly doing the best he can right now, all things considered.

But after watching the videos from l last night, I have to agree with what you said - except I do sympathize. Jon's between a rock and a hard place. He's recorded the album, people are expecting a tour, and despite his words to the contrary, I think he does have something to prove - to himself, to Richie, to the critics, and to the world-at-large. He needs to know for himself, if no one else, that he and the band are still alive and kicking.

It breaks my heart to say it, but I honestly think Jon needs to stop. Not quit, not end the band; but just STOP. For however long it takes to 1) get whatever therapy - psychological, physical, speech, occupational, yoga whatever - that he needs, 2) retrain his voice through consistent vocalizing to gradually build his strength back up (if he's not doing that already, which he may be) and 3) decide where he wants to take the band within the parameters of his abilities - after he knows what those parameters are.

Then come back fresh.

If he wants to. Because he loves it. Not to show the world that he's not beholden to anyone and not because he's concerned about what ppl might think of he doesn't.

After last night, I can't imagine that Bon Jovi is going to be able to give quality shows in SA. Jon's broken. But it's not just Jon. The band wasn't up to the level of performance one would expect from Bon Jovi, either.

IMO, Jon needs to admit to the SA fans that the band is unable to provide performances that are up to Bon Jovi standards, give them their money back - now, before any more irreversible plans are made - and promise to come back whenever what's broken gets fixed.

I think the casuals would get over it and the die-hards would respect him for his honesty and integrity in refusing to give them less than their money's worth.

That's just my opinion, but I know I would respect him more for doing it.

Gabriel Shoes 08-21-2017 03:23 AM

Why does everyone is feeling sentimental with this thing? I don't feel bad for Jon, not at all. Not for a second.

The guy it's nearly a billionaire, has a good health, family and he's a prick but a generous prick that puts good efforts in charity. Well, I actually feel bad about you guys for paying to see he singing like shit tour after tour.

Totally unacceptable a professional singer sounding like this.

Captain_jovi 08-21-2017 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1226970)
Why does everyone is feeling sentimental with this thing? I don't feel bad for Jon, not at all. Not for a second.

The guy it's nearly a billionaire, has a good health, family and he's a prick but a generous prick that puts good efforts in charity. Well, I actually feel bad about you guys for paying to see he singing like shit tour after tour.

Totally unacceptable a professional singer sounding like this.

That's a rather cold way of looking at it. All of us (most I guess) care about Jon and his health. His songs have gotten us all through some messed up times in our own lives and I'd like to think none of us wish him ill will or harm. The amount of money he has has nothing to do with it IMO. If you're not feeling sentimental, the ship sailed for you long ago.

liljovi93 08-21-2017 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1226972)
That's a rather cold way of looking at it. All of us (most I guess) care about Jon and his health. His songs have gotten us all through some messed up times in our own lives and I'd like to think none of us wish him ill will or harm. The amount of money he has has nothing to do with it IMO. If you're not feeling sentimental, the ship sailed for you long ago.

Spot on.

I feel sad to see my favourite singer in the current state he's in. My idol you may see. Someone I've looked up too and 'loved' since I was 7 years old.

To see a man struggling is never good to see. Whether he's a multi millionaire or not.

Some of you on here already know that I think JBJ isn't 100% healthy as people make out. I've had a feeling for a while that something isn't right and not just this whole Richie depressed and stressed thing.

As I said earlier, I don't feel sorry for him in terms of him knowing how he sounds and apart from having a vocal coach, doing pretty much **** all about it. But I do feel sorry for him knowing that he's still getting up there and trying. He needs help!

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