This. That's why I think he needs to take a step back and take care of himself for a while. Then, when he's in a better place physically and psychologically, decide if he even wants to do this anymore and if he does, in what format.

Maybe the reason he sounds better in the RT shows, to my ear anyway, is because on some level that's his preferred setting. He's always said that his love is songwriting; and here lately, I get the feeling that sometimes that's the only reason he does all the rest of it.

Cheers 😉 You dumb asses don't seem to want to or be able to answer though 😂.

Will ask again anyway...may stop you moaning about the same shit over and over again:

Don't you think Jon would be better off doing his acoustic stuff (Stand Up Guy sort of stuff) and acoustic Jovi renditions? Bryan Adams did a great Bare Bones tour (Ok, you can't compare the voices), Springsteen did a great acoustic tour,...

I think it's about time you 'intelligent' ones face up to the fact that Mr Jovi CAN'T live up to your expectations 😉

I already touched on that further back

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People have discussed that ad naseum. Acoustic, watered down Bon Jovi songs in lower keys don't sell. People don't want their memories tampered with. Would he be better off? Yes. Would it it satisfy the masses? No.

Back in '03 they did half electric and half acoustic type shows...

I think it's time for a well needed change...

Do the uptempo songs electric, do some of the harder stuff acoustic, and really pull out some rarities that Jon can sing for the diehards... I'd love to hear some DA stuff... Little City would be a cool choice of song... Better than songs like The Fighter...

Bottom Line... He's decent with the new stuff so he should leave about 5 or 6 songs in the set. He should pull out some rarities that he could handle like Labor of Love or Little City for the die hards... Keep the big rock songs electric like IML, HAND, WGIGO and then acoustic the ballads... Even this sounds so much better!!!!

I wish I could be his adviser...

If I was at this show, I would have been thrilled with this setlist.

I know many won't agree, but I'd take These Days, IBTFY, ITA, BOR and Saturday Night sounding like this as opposed to not at all.

When you're there and hear it live, you don't realize just how shitty Jon's voice has become.

I fully believe the lack of showmanship and movement is 100% because of the state of his voice. He is gripping that mic and focusing on attempting to hit the notes, so running around and interacting with the crowd is just not an option for him. It's definitely a strike against him, but I think he is doing the best he can with what he has left and this is all he is now capable of.

The decline in his range and the loss of Sambora's backups are a bad bad combo.

But I still love this band and would be very sad if they called it quits.

Are we sure it's THAT bad? Any chance we're overreacting? Oh never mind. Maybe it's just that I don't want to believe it.


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It ain't that bad the first video of these days sounded awful because we were hearing the sound off his monitors which sounds always bad believe me I'm a professional singer. Watch this one ain't that bad for a guy who has vocals problem he has balls for sure

https://youtu.be/TTSS3oWdYdk

That is much better, actually.

Still not great. Vocally weak on the lower parts rather than the higher which is a bit strange but I didn't turn that off like I did with the minute snippet the other day. Definitely an improvement but still tons of room for more improvement.

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Back two pages i wrote the same thing and check other videos from user....well its not that bad :cool:

August 18, 2017: Bon Jovi Endicott, NY
 

Jon needs to make a hard decision. Right now, we're not only getting sub standard vocals, but also zero stage presence. The two together are disastrous for a band with such a rich live legacy as Bon Jovi.

I've said this before and actually spoke with a mate about it earlier. I saw Whitsnake a good while ago and was about 10 ft away from Coverdale. The gig was brilliant & everyone was praising him for his "amazing" vocals. (Even on playback the gig sounded great)

The reason why everyone was happy wasn't because Coverdale sang amazing, (although they thought he had at the time) it was more because he was very clever with how he avoided exposing himself vocally. This is where Jon fails miserably.

First off, Coverdale looks the part (forget hair etc) - he has all the cliched rock star poses, mic spins, crowd pointing etc etc - but visually it works and helps take the emphasis off vocals. He moved, he had energy. Compare this to Jon, who is like a statue up there, grimacing & barley offering any obvious clues of enjoyment.

The other thing Coverdale did impressively was choose his vocal battles well. On harder notes, he'd offer the crowd the mic while the guitarist(s) sang the part - it didn't sound or feel odd because visually you're getting all those rock star moves and audibly you're hearing decent backing vocals as well as crowd participation.

It sounds an obvious thing to do but Jon isn't doing any of these things. (Often enough) He is so exposed up there. It's so hard to watch and listen to. Something needs to give. If he can't vocally improve, then he needs to visually offer something more than being rooted to the spot. If it's not fun to watch, rubbish to listen to....is there much point anymore???


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I'm actually afraid that these guys deliver a more "authentic" Bon Jovi concert experience than the real thing does nowadays:

https://youtu.be/Dobv4qY67dU

At least the singer is able to sing the songs while actually MOVING around the stage... not forgetting to mention that the set list is much better than the average post-2k BJ one as well (yes, even better as a whole than the Endicot one, as solid as it was). Overall, it feels much more like the BJ show we know than the real thing does in 2017.

Like I said, I think he's improving. If he can keep that up, and they indeed come to Europe next year, it could be good indeed :-)

Maybe, but the problem with all those cover bands is that the singers may in part look and even sound like Jon, but either the voice doesn't really fit or the intonation or even pronounciation (due to them being Italian, German or whatever) is off. Jon sounds like Jon does, and besides that one guy that did a record that was faked by someone to be a leak of the new BJ record, no one comes really close to his tone...

I didn't think IBTFY was THAT bad? I was expecting worse. Same with In These Arms.

These Days was cringe.

Bed of Roses... thought that one would never get played again. Bit of a shoutfest, but did get slightly better as the song went on. Kind of.

Trying to look for positives here.

Happy to see Scars and God Bless gone. Sad to see Roller Coaster got ditched. Hopefully that one sticks around.

Just don't get why he had to stand at the mic with his eyes shut.

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I kinda agree with all this

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Im gutted that JBJ is losing his powers.
Ive loved him since 1988 and he in his prime he is up there with the very very best like Axl, Tyler, Hetfield and Sebastian Bach.
In 88-90 & 93-96 he was THE best no doubting that.
But its so sad now to see JBJ straining and struggling.

This is definitely better than the sound on the other video. He is struggling, but it isn't awful. I feel bad for him, he is trying so hard.

This sounds way better, and I'd rather have this than no These Days at all. If he just moved a little more it would be great. Last night I was watching this video from a couple days ago and it just looks like a different guy (specially after the first chorus):

Since your more of a Coverdale fan than Bon Jovi fan, then stick with Coverdale if you think Jon is that horrible, I don't think Jon gives a you know what to what your opinion, he doesn't have to answer to you, so move on to Coverdale and leave him be.

Jon's not going to read this is and everyone is free to their opinion.

We missed you girl, please don't leave us ever again :B-fly:

You can just say 88-96 he was the best

Apologies if this video has already posted, I just stumbled across it and thought the sound was much better.


I don't know what it is, but from this video the performance for IBTFY sounds great to me. I'd happily pay money to see this live.

EDIT: Jon really works to get the crowd participating at the end. I think this performance was pretty great.

Thanks. I'll consider your advice.


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Axl and Seb ruled the world from 91 to 92

Did Jon give Phil a couple of stink eyes? One for getting lyrics wrong and then for starting outro a bit late?

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I wish they would give Dave Richie's parts to sing. He'd do a much better job than Phil I think...

I agree.
Dave did them whenever Richie sang it and did an awesome job!

Yup. David nailed 'em. I wonder why he's not doing them now. Any ideas?

Sb on fb asked why Dave isn't as engaged in BJ as he used to and wondered if he's next in the band who's going to "pull a Richie" lol To her it's like the band is eating its own tail but for me it's just a natural process with aging folks who want to do some side projects as well as long as they can and that's it.

What a strange thing to ask him, that's a little much. David handled 90 percent of the backing vocals until Everett came a long. Adding another voice to the mix doesn't even come close to him no longer being as engaged.

She didn't ask Dave directly, just asked this question in some discussion on fb. It seems recent BJ pics with no Dave in them is enough to spark such questions...

Ah gotcha. Less extreme then but still a weird issue to have. Recent promo photos or on stage? I'm not sure I understand what photos she's talking about.

The ones Shanks is posting all over his twitter/insta/whatever he uses for spamming :P

I'm not really following the guy but there are some fb groups fishing for recent pics so it's quite a shortcut for me. I know that Dave's on holiday in Europe, Ava visited her grandpa's grave and Tico's in the studio.

I'm actually happy for Dave that he can put his talent to use outside the band. It's not that it's falling apart or stuff just yet but he certainly won't be out of work once BJ becomes a legend (oh, it breaks my heart just to write it down like this).

Fair enough yah. Shanks is on the opposite side of the stage as David so any live shots of him won't necessarily include him. Just sounds like doomsaying to me. With him getting heavier into a new musical though, it might be a longer break until the next album if there is one.

I agree and the David Bergman pictures that the band site posts always has separate shots of ALL of the band members. His most recent from the golf course pics have a pic of David.

I can't see Bon Jovi in the mood of making another album anytime soon while trying to survive the live shows and somehow failing... The folks are still wondering what the fcuk happened to Jon's voice in such a short period of time and the speculating/bitching fest begins again but the fact is, Jon and the camp are doing things they've committed to and not really look to the future that much.

Not necessarily... Shanks will play most of them and just have Dave come in to over play the parts... He'll have them done in a few days to a week...

That's the last step in the process anyway...