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bonjovi90 09-17-2017 02:58 PM

What's that "emergency button" on the floor in front of Tico's drumset? Never noticed it before.

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 03:08 PM

I don't want to sound like a broken record but it's easy to sit back and focus in on Jon voice through YouTube videos... There is a totally different vibe being there live in person... I'm not saying Jon's voice doesn't suck because it does... but there is also so much other stuff going on that doesn't get picked up on YouTube that distracts from those vocals...

We're not just fanboys making this all up... here is yet another review of someone having an amazing time at a Bon Jovi concert in 2017... I think people making decisions not to attend shows based on the three YouTube videos you watched of your favorite songs is a shitty decision... Listen to the fans instead... It's not 1995 anymore, these guys are now in their mid 50s to 60s but it's still better than most acts out there today... This I guarantee

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Thinny 09-17-2017 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227915)
it's still better than most acts out there today... This I guarantee

Rdkopper...the king of ridiculous comments. As someone that goes to see a lot of live music, there are so many acts out there better than BJ 2017....

Being excited about a show and having a great time is all well and good, and those reviews are completely valid, but that doesn't mean everyone will. Those that get caught up in the excitement absolutely have valid reviews, but it doesn't change the fact for most that Jon's voice is mostly pretty bad, his performance as a front man is somewhat lacking, and as good as the band sound, it just isn't the Bon Jovi that we know and love! Whether you are there in person or watching it on YouTube that isn't going to change for some....

BJFan99 09-17-2017 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227915)
I don't want to sound like a broken record but it's easy to sit back and focus in on Jon voice through YouTube videos... There is a totally different vibe being there live in person... I'm not saying Jon's voice doesn't suck because it does... but there is also so much other stuff going on that doesn't get picked up on YouTube that distracts from those vocals...

We're not just fanboys making this all up... here is yet another review of someone having an amazing time at a Bon Jovi concert in 2017... I think people making decisions not to attend shows based on the three YouTube videos you watched of your favorite songs is a shitty decision... Listen to the fans instead... It's not 1995 anymore, these guys are now in their mid 50s to 60s but it's still better than most acts out there today... This I guarantee

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Right now I'm having a really hard time trying to decide whether I'm enjoying these '17 BJ performances or just cringing while watching them. On the other hand, the band seems to be playing with a lot more energy and passion than they did (for the most part at least) on the BWC tour, and the set lists are pretty good - while somewhat static - in general, but then again, Jon's vocal inconsistency is so freaking annoying that my head is about to explode.

Faceman 09-17-2017 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1227913)
What's that "emergency button" on the floor in front of Tico's drumset? Never noticed it before.

The one on the right side? That's the "speak-pedal" for the in-house mic placed at Tico's drumkit.

JerseyGiant 09-17-2017 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1227906)
There's tons of them already on YT. Not THAT difficult to find :mrgreen:

Ive spent all day searching for "Bon Jovi Rock In Rio 2017" ... fail 😂😂

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227917)
Rdkopper...the king of ridiculous comments. As someone that goes to see a lot of live music, there are so many acts out there better than BJ 2017....

Being excited about a show and having a great time is all well and good, and those reviews are completely valid, but that doesn't mean everyone will. Those that get caught up in the excitement absolutely have valid reviews, but it doesn't change the fact for most that Jon's voice is mostly pretty bad, his performance as a front man is somewhat lacking, and as good as the band sound, it just isn't the Bon Jovi that we know and love! Whether you are there in person or watching it on YouTube that isn't going to change for some....

Everything you stated is all well and good but the problem is, you haven't attended any shows but speak very matter of factually like you have. I never guaranteed everyone a good time... I'm talking about making decisions and saying that they are still a very solid live act. There is more to a show than vocals... I agree they are important but based on the shows that I attended, you could barely tell he had issues... or better stated, they weren't as cringe worthy...

When you look at the entire set list of 24 or so songs, 20 of them are okay... He okay with the new stuff, he's okay on the lifeless songs like LH & Born To Follow, the big anthem songs are okay too because of the acoustics like IML, HAND, WGIGO... Every so often you do hear a butchered note but it's not enough to take anything away from the show or make you wanna walk out...

In my opinion, reading the same people cry over and over again, like yourself, is getting old... 'I miss 2011, I miss 2013, I miss Richie Sambora'... Look I miss it all too but I'm not going to cry about it... Change is part of life. Age is part of life. I miss the Classic Star Wars movies but it doesn't mean that I can't enjoy Rogue One or The Fore Awakens. They can't compare to the original films but there are still elements of nostalgia and they are enjoyable to watch...

bjcrazycpa 09-17-2017 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1227892)
There was no signal! Almost home. It was a lot like Chile but I can't recall exactly that one to say.



Thank you so much for the review! Love that the catwalk was actually utilized!! I'm glad you enjoyed the show.


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Gabriel Shoes 09-17-2017 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227921)
Everything you stated is all well and good but the problem is, you haven't attended any shows but speak very matter of factually like you have. I never guaranteed everyone a good time... I'm talking about making decisions and saying that they are still a very solid live act. There is more to a show than vocals... I agree they are important but based on the shows that I attended, you could barely tell he had issues... or better stated, they weren't as cringe worthy...

When you look at the entire set list of 24 or so songs, 20 of them are okay... He okay with the new stuff, he's okay on the lifeless songs like LH & Born To Follow, the big anthem songs are okay too because of the acoustics like IML, HAND, WGIGO... Every so often you do hear a butchered note but it's not enough to take anything away from the show or make you wanna walk out...

In my opinion, reading the same people cry over and over again, like yourself, is getting old... 'I miss 2011, I miss 2013, I miss Richie Sambora'... Look I miss it all too but I'm not going to cry about it... Change is part of life. Age is part of life. I miss the Classic Star Wars movies but it doesn't mean that I can't enjoy Rogue One or The Fore Awakens. They can't compare to the original films but there are still elements of nostalgia and they are enjoyable to watch...

I miss the time when Jon was a singer.

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyGiant (Post 1227920)
Ive spent all day searching for "Bon Jovi Rock In Rio 2017" ... fail 😂😂

Really? Keep searching... They should be available in a few days... Usually after the concert takes place...

bonjovi90 09-17-2017 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227915)
I don't want to sound like a broken record but it's easy to sit back and focus in on Jon voice through YouTube videos... There is a totally different vibe being there live in person... I'm not saying Jon's voice doesn't suck because it does... but there is also so much other stuff going on that doesn't get picked up on YouTube that distracts from those vocals...

We're not just fanboys making this all up... here is yet another review of someone having an amazing time at a Bon Jovi concert in 2017... I think people making decisions not to attend shows based on the three YouTube videos you watched of your favorite songs is a shitty decision... Listen to the fans instead... It's not 1995 anymore, these guys are now in their mid 50s to 60s but it's still better than most acts out there today... This I guarantee

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You make it sound like the way you see it is the truth, yet it isn't. It's ok for you that the live settings are enough to distract from all the flaws and that you enjoy it. That's fine. But they're still blatantly obvious when being there. Hell, even in 2013 I heard so many flaws while attending the shows in Munich, Stuttgart and Cologne in person. You don't notice all that you might find on a video later on, but even then this couldn't go unnoticed.
And the statement that they're still better than most acts out there is just a fanboy's point of view. For that you either only go to washed up acts that had their prime over 30 years ago or you simply don't listen to anything else but Bon Jovi. I guess in the last 2 or 3 years alone I've seen between 10 and 15 acts whose live shows were far superior, even if they didn't play the big stadiums.
Not better than Bon Jovi at their peak or on good days the past decade, but certainly lightyears better than the Bon Jovi of 2017.

ezearis 09-17-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227917)
Rdkopper...the king of ridiculous comments. As someone that goes to see a lot of live music, there are so many acts out there better than BJ 2017....

Being excited about a show and having a great time is all well and good, and those reviews are completely valid, but that doesn't mean everyone will. Those that get caught up in the excitement absolutely have valid reviews, but it doesn't change the fact for most that Jon's voice is mostly pretty bad, his performance as a front man is somewhat lacking, and as good as the band sound, it just isn't the Bon Jovi that we know and love! Whether you are there in person or watching it on YouTube that isn't going to change for some....

There are only a few songs you actually notice he "can't sing". Then, there, you don't notice. I don't know if it was that the crowd was extremely loud or what but that's the truth. Also, I told you there are some songs that he really sings like BoR. I went thinking it was going to be a piece of shit, but the band was on fire and had an amazing time.

Also, Phil ****ed up on These Days. Jon's face was priceless.

Thinny 09-17-2017 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227921)
Everything you stated is all well and good but the problem is, you haven't attended any shows

I don't need to. I know what I want when I go to see a Bon Jovi show. I know 100% that in 2017 I'm not going to get that so there is no point. I'm not saying that there isn't things that would be enjoyable about that show, and I'm not saying that other people shouldn't enjoy it. I'm just saying that for the most part, I wouldn't. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Just as you are yours....

bonjovi90 09-17-2017 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JerseyGiant (Post 1227920)
Ive spent all day searching for "Bon Jovi Rock In Rio 2017" ... fail 😂😂

Some search for the concert that actually took place. :D

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227927)
I don't need to. I know what I want when I go to see a Bon Jovi show. I know 100% that in 2017 I'm not going to get that so there is no point. I'm not saying that there isn't things that would be enjoyable about that show, and I'm not saying that other people shouldn't enjoy it. I'm just saying that for the most part, I wouldn't. That's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Just as you are yours....

You absolutely are... However I am stating a FACT that what you hear on YouTube and what you hear being at a show live are two different things... And if you are a fan who is on the fence about attending shows because of what you hear on YouTube, I'm giving my feedback and advice, telling you that it's worth it...

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227927)
Rdkopper...the king of ridiculous comments.

BTW, I'd rather be a King of something rather than a Nothing like yourself.

ezearis 09-17-2017 04:53 PM

Damn the best Argentinian crowd of the last 20 years https://youtu.be/Mhfd5Z9-OFE

https://youtu.be/3QHzl5xSmzM

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1227925)
You make it sound like the way you see it is the truth, yet it isn't. It's ok for you that the live settings are enough to distract from all the flaws and that you enjoy it. That's fine. But they're still blatantly obvious when being there. Hell, even in 2013 I heard so many flaws while attending the shows in Munich, Stuttgart and Cologne in person. You don't notice all that you might find on a video later on, but even then this couldn't go unnoticed.
And the statement that they're still better than most acts out there is just a fanboy's point of view. For that you either only go to washed up acts that had their prime over 30 years ago or you simply don't listen to anything else but Bon Jovi. I guess in the last 2 or 3 years alone I've seen between 10 and 15 acts whose live shows were far superior, even if they didn't play the big stadiums.
Not better than Bon Jovi at their peak or on good days the past decade, but certainly lightyears better than the Bon Jovi of 2017.

The way I see it is the truth...

Now, I can't speak for every band out there today but quick story...I'm a huge Queen fan and couldn't wait to see Queen and Lambert this past summer... The show was fantastic. Lambert's vocals were amazing, the band was on fire, the stage show with the lights, costume changes, props were right on but I still walked away with a bit of disappointment. It was a perfect show and I would definitely go again and even recommend it, however there was still a disconnect... I don't know why, I can't pin point it, but that's how I felt... I didn't walk out of there with that feeling of fulfillment or excitement...

Now even though Bon Jovi is a knocked down version of what it once was, Jon still brings something that most bands don't.. And true, I do go to see a lot of washed up 30 plus year old bands but I've seen some relatively newer acts too.

One last point... I also went to see a bunch of shows in 2013... I was at all the NMS shows and I think, vocals aside, the 2017 shows are way better... I like THINFS better than WAN so swapping out those songs do help... Phil is much better and more comfortable now... I like that Bobby is gone and Shanks and Bradley are in... In 2013, Jon was just treading water.... This is a rehearsed band and a new band... It's a rebirth and I actually like it... In '13, it was all the same with Richie being swapped out for Phil... Now it's a different band and they are bringing a different magic.

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1227926)
There are only a few songs you actually notice he "can't sing". Then, there, you don't notice. I don't know if it was that the crowd was extremely loud or what but that's the truth. Also, I told you there are some songs that he really sings like BoR. I went thinking it was going to be a piece of shit, but the band was on fire and had an amazing time.

Also, Phil ****ed up on These Days. Jon's face was priceless.

I don't get it either... I really think (conspiracy theory), that Jon has a filter in his mic that works/reflects well with the live acoustics but has the adverse effect when recorded through cheap / low level devices... Or something to that effect...

BTY, It's a losing argument on here but I totally get where you're coming from attending three shows myself back in May...

symbeline 09-17-2017 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1227894)
Now, to what we all care about: the show. It was amazing. It blew my mind. If this is the Bon Jovi we're having I'll take it. After this show I have no doubt that Europe 2018 will be amazing. I've never, not even in 2010, seen a crowd like the one tonight, everyone went crazy and were loud as ****, the energy was amazing and the band felt it! They were on fire Jon jumped to the crowd (IN SOUTH AMERICA) and the whole band used the curfew, Phil even ran there and slayed a solo. At all times their faces were like "I can't ****ing believe it". Jumping in every song, even in Captain Crash. I have no voice and my throat literally hurts like never before.

Now about setlist, they played the same one than in Chile. That was a bummer as they didn't changed a thing... I think that those old long setlist that changed a lot from night to night won't show off here in SA.

About Jon's voice, the guy screamed in Bed of Roses and other song I can't remember. I WAS IN SHOCK. Then, he couldn't sing These Days. The range is there, when he was moving from side to side of the stage and dancing he sang amazingly, and when he stood on the mic was when things got hard. I'm really convinced now that his issues are mainly psychological.

Still, I couldn't believe the energy of the guy. HE WAS POSSESSED.

If he can recover a little bit his voice and add some rarities to the setlist, the European tour 2018 will be INSANE. I wish I could go to another show this tour. I really had a great time.

Also, I took my banner. I showed it up after Bed Of Roses and Jon got near, read it (I was 2/3 people away from the fence) and he said "I just gave you one". I really thought they were going to play it but no luck.

Thanks for the review. It was impossible to find a decent stream and the setlist was the same, sorry for the lack uf updates, going to bed seemed a much better choice :mrgreen:

Judging by YT videos the crowd was indeed very loud, I'm glad you had a great time and Jon read your TAALS banner. Maybe he'll reconsider for future shows...

DryCounty 09-17-2017 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1227930)
Damn the best Argentinian crowd of the last 20 years https://youtu.be/Mhfd5Z9-OFE

https://youtu.be/3QHzl5xSmzM

That's what you get when you don't do the shitty numbered seats on the floor-system. This is the way a concert is supposed to look like.

Thinny 09-17-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227929)
BTW, I'd rather be a King of something rather than a Nothing like yourself.

Brilliant. You at least make this board entertaining... :rolleyes::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Thinny 09-17-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227929)
You absolutely are... However I am stating a FACT that what you hear on YouTube and what you hear being at a show live are two different things... And if you are a fan who is on the fence about attending shows because of what you hear on YouTube, I'm giving my feedback and advice, telling you that it's worth it...

What about Jon being stuck to the microphone? Is that something that looks different in real life too? Weird that youTube shows him stuck to the spot when he's really jumping around all over the place.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Thinny 09-17-2017 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227934)
I don't get it either... I really think (conspiracy theory), that Jon has a filter in his mic that works/reflects well with the live acoustics but has the adverse effect when recorded through cheap / low level devices... Or something to that effect...

This is the best one yet. I love you RD.... :mrgreen:

Xavi 09-17-2017 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabriel Shoes (Post 1227923)
I miss the time when Jon was a singer.

Do you think Jons voice here is not more than decent?
https://youtu.be/T9sD6BSuTCM

ezearis 09-17-2017 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227939)
What about Jon being stuck to the microphone? Is that something that looks different in real life too? Weird that youTube shows him stuck to the spot when he's really jumping around all over the place.... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Not trying to argue but just wait until somebody uploads videos from Bad Medicine or Keep The Faith. The guy went from side to side of the stage, danced, jumped to the crowd. He stood on some songs but it was not like they all the show.

I'm the first to bash Jon, in 2013 I said he was in autopilot (though performed well). But last night he and the band were amazing.

Xavi 09-17-2017 06:35 PM

And also on Lay Your Hands On Me
I cant understand how anybody who writes on this board can doubt on Jon as a frontman
https://youtu.be/K63T9ekcKYI

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227940)
This is the best one yet. I love you RD.... :mrgreen:

That's why I put (conspiracy theory)... However common scene does play a factor here... Sound does come across different when being pumped through a 1/4 inch cell phone speakers... And maybe it's possible to take something that sounds like shit ans make it sound even shittier?

But you're an expert based on all the zero show that you attended... Please tell us how the weather was too last night? Was it cold?

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1227943)
And also on Lay Your Hands On Me
I cant understand how anybody who writes on this board dudes on Jon as a frontman
https://youtu.be/K63T9ekcKYI

I'll tell you how... They watch 30 seconds to a minute of 2 or 3 videos which usually consists of the most challenging songs in the entire Bon Jovi collection...and then judge the entire show based off of that...

"Well Jon can't sing These Days anymore so the entire show sucked and Jon was glued to the mic" aka Thinny

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227938)
Brilliant. You at least make this board entertaining... :rolleyes::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:

Thinny, go gain some weight or something...

Thinny 09-17-2017 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227944)
That's why I put (conspiracy theory)... However common scene does play a factor here... Sound does come across different when being pumped through a 1/4 inch cell phone speakers... And maybe it's possible to take something that sounds like shit ans make it sound even shittier? ?

Obviously things sound different on a YouTube video...however, based on your theory all bands must sound like shit on all YouTube, which isn't the case...

Captain_jovi 09-17-2017 06:52 PM

RD. STOP IT. Debate all you want, no personal attacks.

Thinny 09-17-2017 06:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavi (Post 1227943)
And also on Lay Your Hands On Me
I cant understand how anybody who writes on this board dudes on Jon as a frontman
https://youtu.be/K63T9ekcKYI

Yes, he's shown some improvement over the last shows, as he seems to have gained a little more confidence with his voice, by moving around for 2 songs or so...however, it's been common knowledge on this board that for most of the US shows apart from Bad Medicine, he barely moved from the microphone all night. What a front man...

Thinny 09-17-2017 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227946)
Thinny, go gain some weight or something...

How do you know that Thinny isn't ironic...!? :mrgreen: :vamp:

Xavi 09-17-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227945)
I'll tell you how... They watch 30 seconds to a minute of 2 or 3 videos which usually consists of the most challenging songs in the entire Bon Jovi collection...and then judge the entire show based off of that...

"Well Jon can't sing These Days anymore so the entire show sucked and Jon was glued to the mic" aka Thinny

Agree 100%
Check yesterdays Bad Medicine here
Jon goes down to the crowd in Argentina!!!
https://youtu.be/UReU4yMJ_Iw
Its amazing,the bands energy,I havent seen David as happy as here for many years,the crowd,everything
Jon runs the crowd like very few others,his voice has improved a lot since NA leg
But,always there gonna be something to criticize...

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1227942)
Not trying to argue but just wait until somebody uploads videos from Bad Medicine or Keep The Faith. The guy went from side to side of the stage, danced, jumped to the crowd. He stood on some songs but it was not like they all the show.

I'm the first to bash Jon, in 2013 I said he was in autopilot (though performed well). But last night he and the band were amazing.

Jon was on Auto Pilot in 2013 because he didn't have a choice... Mid tour, your right hand man leaves and you bring in someone basically brand new. You can't roll the same way you did 30 years prior... The mental shock and unknown future is enough to mess someone up in itself... Then add in the fact that you lose the soul of your band... 2017 is very different and worth checking out....

Again, 2017 Bon Jovi is not even in the same league as Bon Jovi 1995 but it's still an enjoyable .

Back on topic... That crowd was incredible last night... I've never seen something so insane... What was the attendance?

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227949)
o
it's been common knowledge on this board that for most of the US shows apart from Bad Medicine, he barely moved from the microphone all night. What a front man...

That's bullshit... I know watching Jon do jumping jacks and acrobats is "your thing" but give the 55 year old some credit here...

Xavi 09-17-2017 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227952)
Jon was on Auto Pilot in 2013 because he didn't have a choice... Mid tour, your right hand man leaves and you bring in someone basically brand new. You can't roll the same way you did 30 years prior... The mental shock and unknown future is enough to mess someone up in itself... Then add in the fact that you lose the soul of your band... 2017 is very different and worth checking out....

Again, 2017 Bon Jovi is not even in the same league as Bon Jovi 1995 but it's still an enjoyable .

Back on topic... That crowd was incredible last night... I've never seen something so insane... What was the attendance?

Again,I agree 100%

Rdkopper 09-17-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1227948)
RD. STOP IT. Debate all you want, no personal attacks.

What personal attack? You mean this one? "Rdkopper...the king of ridiculous comments."

I didn't write that?

Xavi 09-17-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1227949)
o

Yes, he's shown some improvement over the last shows, as he seems to have gained a little more confidence with his voice, by moving around for 2 songs or so...however, it's been common knowledge on this board that for most of the US shows apart from Bad Medicine, he barely moved from the microphone all night. What a front man...

If you read Jon interview before the tour,and if you dont,I tell you now,
Jon said that this tour was going to be just about the music,not about big screens,and running over the stage like in the past.
He remarked that the tour was going to be mainly about 7 musicians on the stage ang giving the songs more importance
To see Jon running on a stage I can watch Super Rock 84 on yt

Thinny 09-17-2017 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1227953)
That's bullshit... I know watching Jon do jumping jacks and acrobats is "your thing" but give the 55 year old some credit here...

No not at all, but watching someone stood in front of a mic stand with his eyes closed for 90% of the show is not my idea of a good time.

Sammy Hagar is 70 years old and the guy still puts on an entertaining show. Mick Jagger? I could list of a many many others that are in their 60s and still do....but then these guy don't have to use all their energy trying to hit the notes...

You guys can live in denial as much as you want...enjoy!


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