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So, it seems like it was a fine show overall. I'd be happy with a setlist like that, but a little bummed about the fact that the THINFS songs were so easilly dropped. Rather have Living With The Ghost or New Year's Day than Lost Highway and We Weren't Born To Follow.
Only heard Bed of Roses and I don't think that it sounds bad. Also, spanish chorus? That's fun. Kinda like that he's playing it that way here. |
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I just realized there was no WGIGO so yay! It seems I should start calling this setlist "decent" ;)
Rock in Rio is in a week, will Jon be able to sustain this level? The first couple THINFS shows were ok-ish and then it went downhill pretty fast... |
Besides Bed of Roses and at least the first verse of Wanted, many songs are still pretty much a cluster**** vocally.
I hope he can improve from the first show onwards. Then again, we also got our hopes up when he did a rather decent Always on the first night of the US leg and it all went to hell from there. |
To be honest I could never imagine that the band would play set lists like this ever again just half a year ago. A set with BOR, IBTFY, ITA, TD, KTF etc. and only a single track of LH seemed impossible. Have to give the band that. It's far from "great" vocally, but moments from this show seemed quite decent and it's without a doubt an upgrade from the North American Leg.
Predictions for upcoming SA shows: Always will show up at some point. Porbably Radio as well. A wild card would be Dry County. I'm sure it has crossed Jons mind as it somehow is part of the trio "These Days, Always and Dry County - the most common 'rare" songs". Would be a real tough one for Jon. |
OMG my husband pointed out that John Shanks kinda looks like Ben Affleck, I couldn't stop giggling picturing him as Batman
I just realized something, could Jon also have trouble reading from the teleprompter and/or remembering the lines without it? Could this influence his lack of mobility? He's checking it much more than I remember |
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Jon should just sing in Spanish through the entire show.
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I'm reluctant to say "he was depressed so" because the word *depression* gets thrown around too easily, but he'd be a complete jerk if he was just trying to milk some sympathy, so I guess I have to believe him. And it's pretty plausible that his mind doesn't work as well as it should. Depression and high levels of stress take a huge toll on your body and mind. They tend to shut down after a while to survive, and that means not being able to perform even menial tasks. Body and mind sort of "slow down", and remembering the simplest thing can be taxing, especially in a situation where you *need* to remember them. It's as if you want/need to remember, but your mind is telling you "hold on, I can't do it properly if I'm under stress". Like a trigger of sorts... Being around the teleprompter could be a mental crutch. Or his eyesight is poor and he needs to read one line at a time in huge bold capital letters, which makes it impossible to stay too far away for too long. It happens to the best of us, you get old, you start feeling like shit, you need a bigger teleprompter... :mrgreen: |
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There's another reason I don't buy it too, when you're depressed you experience extremes. I can well see the hotel room being a cave of despair but the shows are the ultimate high, tens of thousands of people who just want to see you and push you along. Depression doesn't come in an all black brand and I can't see anyone touring with it who doesn't get a kick out of the show. The rest may be a cunt but the show... I don't buy it. |
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Jon struggles with These Days. I'm usually quite hard on Jon vocally, but I enjoyed that These Days despite some rough edges. He nails some parts in the choruses and I actually finds the verses worse than the choruses.
I love the "Ain't nobody left but us these days" at 5.52. Much passion, he hits the notes with some nice rasp and actually holds the note for quite some time. I definetely take These Days sounding like this any day instead of no These Days. |
Also, why is there no backing vocals in the verses? "Everybody's got their cross to bare these days", "No one wants to be themselves these days" and the "Don't you know that all my heroes died."
Wouldn't be that mch of a effort to let David or Everett sing it. |
Wow. His voice is really shot on that These Days, it breaks like and maybe worse than back in 2003. Still, what a song, I'd rather hear it again this way that never hearing it again.
Also, maybe this isn't the place to talk about it. But I don't like the way the percussionist sounds, I think that overlays with Tico and makes the songs sound weird. Why can't he just play on the songs that, according to Jon, need the extra sound? Like Aerosmith or Nickelback do with their guest musicians? |
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https://youtu.be/Om7Vo__oJhE Also, I couldn't hear any rasp on any part of the Chile version. Honestly, I prefer the way he belted out the last "ain't nobody LEFT but us these days..." in Brisbane '13 - while that version wasn't any better in general, at least he tried to sound like the kick-ass hard rock singer he used to be: https://youtu.be/FSuITJ9I-AU?t=5m32s |
Adele show us that it's probably impossible to fix vocals. She has money, she made surgery for her voice and she ended tour because she couldn't sing. There are rummors athat she didn't go on tour again.
And she hasn't played 3000 shows like (band/solo) Jon and she didn't played tour on steroids (SWW/NJ). I think that Jon works on his voice but there is nothing which can help him for 100%. This videos are ok for me. I could go on show like this. He sing at the same level like Bono in Chorzów 2009. |
I'm not sure where some are getting "amazing" from, but aside from a few really bad notes, I think he sounded decent for what he's capable of.
No one seems to be talking about In These Arms. That was the best vocal of the night IMO. Glued to the mic, especially at a stadium show, is sad to see. I didn't watch videos for every song, but of the ones I did see, there was zero movement around the stage. I only saw him even remove the mic from the mic stand once, which was during Bad Medicine, and it was literally for about one bar. A 25 song setlist is never anything to complain about, and there were some songs played that I would be thrilled to get if I was there. |
I'm trying to pinpoint Jon's weak spot... Why does he need to literally sound like he's baby talking on certain songs like These Days and then sound somewhat normal on others? Is it a certain note? You could literally talk the first line of These Days and sound normal... Why does Bed Of Roses sound like 2013 (with the exception of a butchered note here and there - which I could accept) but then he can't do the same for These Days...
This is where Richie is missing... Jon needs a guy who can really back him up (not Dave or Phil - a real vocalist)... Jon needs to stick to the verses and have a good backing vocalist handle the chorus... I really thought that's what EB was for but I don't hear him... Alec's departure in 90's is noticeable with on going live performances and now with Richie gone, it's a mess... Jon needs a guy with a falsetto and a guy who can harmonize with him... When Jon sings Let It Be for the Queen, he's struggling through the first verse but once Richie jumps in, he's instantly relieved and relaxed... I guarantee he would improve significantly if he just brought in a little help... That's how he got through '87 and he could do it again... Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk |
We Don't Run (breathe Jon breathe)
Who Says You Can't Go Home (partial but who cares) Cap Crash - WOW what a mess, this is the slowest Crash I've ever heard. Kinda defeats the purpose of having it because it's fun and makes people dance In These Arms |
I thought he sounded alright the other day but he sounds shite still. We Don't Run was the worst version so far probably. Even the 'Look Out' was half assed.
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How the hell is it even possible for Jon to nail insanely high-pitched stuff like Bed Of Roses and Always and then butcher lullaby-like tunes like Who Says and Captain f***ing Crash? Shouldn't it be the other way around, judging by the overall difficulty levels of the songs?
For example, check out the version of Lay Your Hands On Me from yesterday's gig: https://areena.yle.fi/1-4193980 Around 3:59 Jon goes all out and nails the high "lay my hands on YOOOUUU..." like a big boy. Then again, he struggles mightily with Runaway, even having to grip the mic stand at a few moments - and it's a very easy song: https://youtu.be/yMMEiM63t2w |
All the voice issues aside, I miss them and wish I was in South America!!
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In my opinion, this show was horrible, and unfortunately this will be the norm for the future. As I said a while ago, Bon Jovi live is finished, I'm only interested in the studio albums that release in the future. |
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the setlist is really nice in my opinion, i like the stage and the lights, i care about these things in a big show, they add a lot to the show. I was watching in these arms from the concert and thought the solo of this song was doomed, bobby bandiera played a weird version for ten years and now john shanks interprets it in his own way and it doesn't sound that good, richie's solo with heavy delay was perfect.
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Watching that Bad Medicine Jon is clearly holding back. He started to move for a bit and then it like he quickly thought "Wait I'm not supposed to do this" and even his voice felt held back during that second verse. Kinda reminded me a bit of Shy Ronnie:
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It's a tricky situation. Why would they stop making music if they have something to say? And making an album means touring it. Of course, nobody is forcing them to do it, they don't need the money, Jon considers performing live his least favourite part and so on, but I guess Dave, Tico and Hugh have a saying too and I imagine they were feeling the itch after a long time away from the stage (for BJ standards). And the timing probably was right with Dave's new musical which I believe is in the process of being picked up. If they waited too long it could turn into their longest hiatus and Jon is obviously afraid that nobody will care about them if they stop churning out new music and touring almost every year. So you don't agree that all the standing on the spot checking the prompter could be a mental thing? Are *you* implying he's senile? Just kidding ;) It's very strange, whatever the reason. The guy runs so he should be able to move around and breathe with relative ease. It's not going to kill him to grab the mic and walk around. Being static hasn't improved his vocal performance. So it has to be something else, and a mental block makes sense. What you said makes sense too, but maybe he can't "lose himself" in the performance to block the insecurities or maybe he can and the high is enough to balance out those negative moments, who knows. But it's sad to see Jon reduced to this and no matter how critical I am and how little I care about their live performances in 2017, I don't want my favorite band to have such a fast huge decline |
Wow TD was... wow... heartbreaking. It sounded better on the snippets and I got my hopes up for a second. And I hate to say this because Phil X is such a great guy and I enjoy watching him, but I don't like how he plays the solo, it sounds so flat and soulless :(
Stadium acoustics are definitively Jon's best friend. They'll survive Rock in Rio and that's all that matters at the end of the day (from the band's perspective). But man, Jon looks so out of his element walking aimlessly around the stage when he doesn't have anything to do. The too bright smiles, awkward clapping, butt shaking and lip pursing don't hide the fact that he looks uncomfortable as hell. It's as if he's been invited to do a special performance with a tribute band and he's pretending he's super into it but failing miserably Ok, with no further ado the final roundup with the best video I could find for each song so far: This House Is Not for Sale: https://youtu.be/3rkzuQ_5vq0 Raise Your Hands: https://youtu.be/WPU7e84cnhU Knockout: https://youtu.be/hssr0a3ahGc You Give Love a Bad Name: https://youtu.be/q_c7EccIs-Y Born to Be My Baby: https://youtu.be/t42qkJOb4Jo Lost Highway (partial): https://youtu.be/qoRCzDr0Ztk Follow: https://youtu.be/4iqi2xgkaRE I'll Sleep When I'm Dead: https://youtu.be/iKFTf5p0k3w Runaway: https://youtu.be/yMMEiM63t2w We Don't Run https://youtu.be/7_P6tF3bYQU Someday I'll Be Saturday Night (Acoustic): https://youtu.be/RguRPkZ87ps Bed of Roses: https://youtu.be/Z1aq0jy8JSA and https://youtu.be/Dn8A0hg4-EM It's My Life: https://youtu.be/QVXC6x2rX6Y Who Says (partial): https://youtu.be/SBsAOy8ok1A God Bless This Mess: https://youtu.be/unkApAboFAA Wanted Dead or Alive: https://youtu.be/AjTRXjjhu9s LYHOM: https://youtu.be/KaSqPHWI0ww HAND: https://youtu.be/XkbBi7Ig134 Cap Crash: https://youtu.be/4YQiUuMfzUU Bad Medicine: https://youtu.be/15JcCGb8lKc Encore: In These Arms: https://youtu.be/TegHXuc0Ax0 I'll Be There for You: https://youtu.be/YudNW0zmtd4 and https://youtu.be/aAhEJc5Eoi8 Livin' on a Prayer: https://youtu.be/J0B0ZKd33ho Encore 2: These Days: https://youtu.be/pNOyCrcxptU Keep the Faith: https://youtu.be/UYRpvyOZ9E4 I double checked and the KTF video is not slowed down. It's just a new slow-mo version :rolleyes: |
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Wonder why they uploaded it with a max resolution of 360p
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