But if you read this forum,BJ have to play in small arenas nowadays because they cant sold out stadiums anymore....

As much as some exaggerate the decline in ticket sales, others are absolutely blind to it.
The truth is somewhere in the middle...

Not true. I just looked and they more expensive available for multiple seats is the $175 tickets.

Melbourne best is $203
Adelaide best is $310
Brisbane best is $515

Sydney and Melbourne shows are selling well, though neither are sold out. Adelaide and Brisbane shows still have plenty of seats left.

And to tell you the truth,that is my point

A lot of people here are exaggerating the decline in their ticket sales. Sure, they don't sell our every arena/stadium they play nowadays but they're still at least half full. The last time they sold out pretty much everything I think was HAND tour. Since then, it's been a steady decline. I'm quite sure that some of the stadiums they played in Europe 2013 were only half full.

Because of Richie absence?

I don't know why, it might also be because they toured quite a lot in Europe from 2000-2013 and they started selling out less and less. They haven't been to Europe for more than 5 years now, I expect the stadiums to be almost full if they decide to tour Europe in 2019.

In 2013 I was in Berlin,Koln,Madrid and Milan and the 4 venues were all sold out.

To be fair though - you can't really count Berlin and Madrid in here. And Cologne was packed, but not sold out.

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The 4 venues were sold out but there is always negative to add
Berlin they have to move the venue ok,but Waldbhune was full,like in the Crush tour when the Its My Life success
At Koln the stadium was full,I was there and I remember perfectly
Madrid was the precio amigo.If they hadnt put that prizes,I can tell you that the stadium would have been sold out as well,the only difference had been the slower rithm of the sales
And Milan was sold out but I guess you will have something to add as well
Guns And Roses last year in Spain,they sold out Madrid and Bilbao was half empty,and yesterday they played at a festival and for tomorrow show in Barcelona there are still tickets on sale,and this is in their reunion tour.
Bon Jovi until 2013,toured Europe 8 times in 13 years and all their tours were a success in terms of attendance.

Stop being so over-defensive. All I said was that there really had been a significant decline in their ticket sales in 2013 and that Berlin and Madrid are quite specific examples.
In the case of Berlin, they had held a big press conference in January of 2013 saying that only very few artists have the power and success to play the Olympiastadion. Then having to move the show from a 75,000 venue to the Waldbühne with 23,000 was something where the press in Germany made quite some fun of them.
Madrid was special because the tickets were so cheap and many fans from other countries were very upset about that. Maybe the show would've still sold out, but neither you nor me can really tell.
Milan was sold out, I never questioned that. And Cologne was packed, but I was there too and on the day of the concert cheap tickets for the rafters were offered in town.

And, if you want to hand-pick examples, it could go the other way around as well. Stuttgart had 26,500 attendees while in 2006 there had been over 60,000 and in 1996 over 100,000 at the same venue. Lisbon had half the crowd of 2011 in 2013! Munich had over 10,000 less than in 2003, yet everything was still declared "sold out".

Again, I'm not saying they can't sell out a stadium in Europe again. It's been a long time since their last tour and if they only do one show in the "big countries", it will work.

But you're accusing people of being too negative and not objective, yet you seem to be blind to the fact that their ticket sales really had taken a huge dip, especially in 2013.

Ok,youre right
Have a nice day!

Exactly!
Fans can see by their own eyes if the shows are sold out or not

ALoha !

How is it an exaggeration when you're saying they're playing half empty venues? :)

Bon Jovi were capable of playing in front of an average of 45.000 people every night. The number has dwindled down to an average of 35.000 people. By no means is an average of 35.000 small but it's still a decrease of 22%.

They've also started playing different markets because the interest in their core market has decreased. While Germany used to get about 6 shows the number has gone down to 4. London, Munich and Vienna haven't sold out in years. They've stopped doing shows in Holland because the interest just isn't there anymore. So many people want them to play Wembley but it's highly unlikely they'd be able to sell out a venue holding 90.000 people when the last time the band played London they couldn't sell out Hyde Park. So the band had to go explore different markets, hence the addition of shows in Eastern Europe. The money has to come from somewhere, right? With a stage production of a stadium act you'll have to do a certain amount of shows to break even or to make a profit.

I think the sales of Australia are a pretty good indication as to how well the band will do in Europe. Sydney and Melbourne are Australia's Munich and London. They'll do well. But Bon Jovi need the other markets to make money on a tour, and if Adelaide and Brisbane don't sell well, then places in other European countries will most likely do the same here either.

Now it's not just a Bon Jovi thing. The interest in stadium acts has been going down for years, it's a bit of a thing of the past I reckon. But Bon Jovi are expensive nowadays. While GoldCircle was 45GBP in 2003 it now costs 150% more. With the money these concerts costs not many are willing to shell out that much just to watch a video screen with poor acoustics. A sales drop of another 22% means Bon Jovi will draw an average of 20.000 people in Norway, Czech Republic, Portugal, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden and several shows in Germany and the U.K. That's close to half your European tour. Besides that, they'd have to play smaller venues in other countries as well.

20.000 people means Bon Jovi will either do a smaller tour (Dublin, Manchester, London, Munich, Cologne, Vienna, Milan and 3 additional shows somewhere) or will have to become an arena band. Think O2 arena. I know, it's what a lot of fans would love to see. So arena's are the solution? Not really. Playing arena's is pretty much impossible for Bon Jovi because their fee is just too high to spread it out over 20.000 seats as opposed to the 45.000 they used to sell. Remember the ticket prices for the O2 arena? You'd have that all over Europe. And even though their run at the O2 arena did relatively well not one of their shows there was sold out back in 2010 exactly because of the insane prices. Unless you're the Rolling Stones you won't be able to get away with such ticket prices.

I think they'll give Europe a shot next year but I also think that, unless some miracle happens, it'll be the last time they'll tour Europe. The interest just isn't there anymore and Jon's certainly not going to lower his fee.

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Decided to fly to Melbourne. Probably one of the last times they will attempt to play a venue with a 100,000 capacity. Got front row of the cheapest section. I don't want to be too close to John Shanks stupid goatee.

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The Melbourne Cricket Ground is the 10th biggest stadium in the world. The capacity is over 100,000.

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MCG is already half sold. It'll be a sell out.

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So is anything sold out yet?

They are all on the 'tickets running out' screen. Tokyo has only 100s left I'd be surprised if they aren't all sell outs from what I'm seeing atm.

By looking at the tickets still available on ticketek...

Sydney show is selling well. Roughly 80% sold. All the higher priced categories have sold out.

Melbourne is doing well as well, I'd say around 70%. Again, most higher priced tickets are gone.

Adelaide and Brisbane have plenty of seats left though, especially Adelaide. I can get 8 tickets, all third row from the front.

Sometimes I feel like this in this forum
then JBJ speaks and...
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"I'm very comfortable on the big stage.
And so looking forward
to come back to Australia
I'm in great health, I'm singing great!"

Birds of Tokyo will be supporting the band on the Aussie tour. Ironic considering they are a Perth band, and Perth is the one stop they aren't doing this tour.

Not a big fan, but they are popular. Should have been announced ages ago.

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With a couple of weeks to go, tickets for the Australian tour reduced to $69.90https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...0e1b2b8dd0.jpg

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What are the sales looking like so far?

For Melbourne, it's only the nosebleeds that are reduced, so there should be 75,000 or more there. The other 3 dates have reduced tickets for most of the ticket types. Sydney is pretty full, last time there was 65,000 there. Brisbane and Adelaide won't sell but should be reasonably full.

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Just seen Matt say this will be his last tour.


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Setlist predictions?

I think Always might show up again at some show, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it being a satisfactory rendition in any way. These Days and Dry County are quite likely, but Blaze Of Glory and especially Hey God won't be played ever again, I think - they're just WAY too high for Jon at this point.

I bet on this kind of a set for Melbourne and/or Sydney:

1. THINFS
2. RYH
3. Bad Name
4. BTBMB
5. Highway
6. Follow
7. Sleep
8. Runaway
9. WSYCGH
10. IML
11. KTF
12. Amen (on the catwalk)
13. BOR (on the catwalk)
14. Crash
15. LYHOM
16. Blood On Blood/Saturday Night/When We Were Us
17. HAND
18. Medicine

Encore:

19. Dry County
20. Wanted
21. Prayer

Encore 2:

22. Always/These Days

As per this list: https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/bon-j...ml#post1247601

very boring!

You can only see a third of the page!

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Haha we're at the point where we're complaining about a list we can only see some of. This board is eating it's own tail.

Alright! Let’s hope it’s not boring!!