Best post I've read in a while ✌️

This chapter is letting down the bands legacy.
Its so averagely crap its unreal
How does a band/singer songwriter who wrote such amazing songs write so much drivel now?
Even the music behind the lyrics is that same beat, same annoying whinning guitar. It all blurs into one.
I only listen to LWTG, GBTM and DITT from THINFS - the rest is pure drivel.
Id say I can see why Richie left - then I hear the crap he's coming out with these days.

It really does make you think how these rockstars get into the circle of writing and re-writing drivel (fantastic word to describe current Bon Jovi). I mean, looking at what a state Richie is in, I can sort of get it; but Jon?? Hasn't he realized that this pop-rock junk doesn't sell anymore? Again, I think it's the fans responsibility: we are 90% pop-rockers and 10% rockers; that's why Jon gives us 1 rock song per album ;)

You are wrong
One thing is saying that the music Jon makes nowadays is down to his fans
Other thing is that because I think King of the Mountain,Always Run to you,To the fire and Secret dreams are crap,its because of fans like me that Jon makes the music he make nowadays.
I can hate those songs,but on the other hand I really love the first album and In and out of love,Only lonely,Tokyo road or Hardest part is the night.
So,if I hate 4 songs on an album,I rather pop music than hard rock music? Dont you see your statement is ridiculous?
If I love half of the Farenheit album,then,because of your reasoning,Jon should still be doing
80s rock albums or not?
Dont you see the difference? You are confusing two different concepts.

I think you are the one misunderstood.

Finally,if you really believe that the music Jon writes nowadays is down to his fans you are nothing but a dreamer.
Jon writes the music he likes doesnt thinking on what you or me prefer.
Jon has never been a hard rock music fan.
His influences were Southside Johnny or Springsteen,not Led Zeppelin or Scorpions.

I watched a lot Stones dvd concerts just to see that magic and I didnt see it,it is so simple,so boring,they compensate music with big stage and ligts just like U2,and I like U2,but like I said two most overrated bands in the world-my opinion.

Which band is the greatest of all time for you? In my opinion it's Queen.

by all means,no matter of early end- Queen but Zeppelin is second best, almost the same as Queen.

Why did you watch a lot of DVDs of band you clearly don't like at all lol. That makes no sense... :rolleyes:

like I said,to see what you see,to get some impression,I do that for a lot of bands when someone brag about them

LOL, good on you! :rolleyes:

well,if you cant see them live then you get some impression watching concerts on you tube or dvd,then you find out some stuff

Can't stand Queen or Zeppelin. There, I said it. *ducksforcover*

I keep checking this thread thinking there's been some development or actual analysis of the new song. Instead we're sh*tting on Queen, Zeppelin and the Stones - all bands more critically acclaimed and influential than Jovi. Let's just be grateful that our band is being accepted, and in theory immortalised by their induction, into the Rn'R Hall with other greats.

As for WWWU; it's about as good as anything on THINFS - barring BAT and DITT imo. The solo is a typical '10s style Jovi solo - comparable to that in Knockout. Born Again Tomorrow and All Hail The King had the most interesting guitar work in THINFS, so I hope for more in that vein for Walls. There is a somewhat Springsteen-esque air about the song. That xylophone or glockenspiel during the "woooh oh oooh oh's" at the end are a nice touch. Vocally, it sounds a little more assured than 2016 Jon. I'd just wished they'd taken advantage of the slight improvement in his upper range from the SA tour onwards. Either way, I'm pretty content with the song and keep returning to it - singing along. Bon Jovi were never really a heavy band, so at this point in their career, if there's a good dose of sincerity and a decent hook then I'm in.

But let's hope "Walls" IS about the political situation and not referencing the production style ;)

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The fact that the song has premiered on radio 10 days ago and is still not yet on Spotify (or anywhere else as a single) is an embarrassment!

No it's not. It got played on Stern with a request from the label not to play the whole thing, it's a premiere but not the one the label had part of the release schedule.

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I reckon it will go live on iTunes the same day that the video premiers?

But the label lives in which world??? C'mon, the song is already on youtube, a lot of views...smart move: give the song in a high quality or let us listen to it in a poor quality and when it gets release...meh.

I don't get this.

We got it earlier than else were supposed to. Everyone is forgetting that and it just sounds spoiled that we are mad at the label for not changing everything to fit that. I'm really thinking they have promotions lined up to capitalize on the Rock Hall Induction.

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They should not have allowed to have that premiere then.

They weren't allowed. Howard said that he was told by the label he can't play it but Jon said, screw it play it anyway....

Well that's on Jon then... Thanks for explaining!

No, I understand that it was earlier than supposed to be...but it's done, already happened. My question is about the way that the label deals with it...like nothing happened and no one listened to the song. You see?

Are you guys REALLY angry that the label did not punish Stern for having played the single? Because that's what this boils down to. Labels have schedules, and they won't drop it just because one station played the song earlier.

I'm not angry with the label. And Stern played it just because Jon told him to do it. I'm just trying to understand. Although it was played just in one station, the fact is that everyone already have access to the song, as it's on youtube and everywhere. My point is why the label just act like they don't know about this. Only this :)

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Why is this an issue? People who would buy the song are still going to buy it. People who were going to steal it are still going to steal it. It makes no difference in the big picture.

Exactly - so why can't the label be a bit pro-active once they know it's out there.

I think it could cost them because many of their songs nowadays wear off rather fast since there isn't that much substance in the music anymore. When it's out there and people see it on Youtube, they might like it (because it's actually quite catchy) and look for the song on official platforms in proper quality. If they wait a month many random fans will have forgotten about the song or, as stated above, it may have worn off on them.
With nowadays sale figures it may not make a big dent, but I still think it was a rather dull move not to reach and push the release by about two or three weeks.

Yeah they've missed the ball on this one, once its out there they should have got it on Spotify and iTunes ASAP on the first available Friday to capitalise on the buzz from the fans. Waiting a few weeks just lets it all die down again. They could have pro-actively got some exposure and then give it a second burst in a few weeks on the originally planned date. The business is too fast moving to expect consumers to wait weeks these days, they had their window and they didn't take it.

imo i don't think that much people heard this song on youtube...at least not random fans...diehards will buy it regardless

There will be people who initially liked the song (enough to purchase it had it been available) but who have now grown bored of it and therefor won’t buy it when it is officially released. That’s why radio playing it weeks before it’s released is “harmful” from a commercial viewpoint.

The song is still ok for me. Could have been better.


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I really do not think there's a big difference in sales. I needed to hear that leak, I'm glad Jon made the decision to put it for us as an advance.

I'm very impatient for these things, hey Jon, good done, now launch a leak of Walls for us. :-D

I don't understand why they didn't go ahead and release WWWU after it was "leaked" either. They would still have the release of "Walls" to promote interest in the re-release of the album. Or is there some reason I'm missing that wouldn't make sense from a marketing standpoint?

The only thing I can see is that since Walls is political and WWWU is about the band, it might make more sense, as someone else suggested, to release it closer to the HoF inductions. But even if that's their reasoning, that seems a little late to me, with the tour starting in March.

When Jon told Howard to go ahead and play it, maybe he was thinking that they may be getting more press now, with the announcement of their selection, than they will by the time April rolls around. By then, it's old news to everybody except the fans who are interested in the Induction Ceremony itself.

You think you are defending the decision, but you are actually are making the case against it. You "needed to hear it" and you would've heard it on Spotify, but now you heard it on a rip-off on some fan YouTube account with the artist and the label getting zero revenue from it.

"Buying vs. stealing" is a very outdated way of looking at it.

I think this is what is going to bring back official videos... And possibly the reason why Jon wanted to do a video for every song on THINFS (especially for someone who admittedly hates doing videos)

The more official views, the more credibility, notoriety, sales credits, etc they receive...

The other is linking ticket sales to albums purchases. I'm getting 4 more version of THINFS based on my current ticket purchases (I hope its has the new songs and not all the leftovers from the original pressings)

It's all bundling together now. There is no longer that pecking order...Official Videos, Singles, Albums, Tours... They each feed off each other and it's now just one big Net Total at the end.

Agreed. Videos mean a link people can post on each others social media which increases views. I don't think all of the videos "worked" but it was still really cool that they did it. Would have been nice to not have videos with just Jon or even no band members at all though.

Plus Tidal covered the costs in exchange for exclusive streaming rights so it wasn't a loss of money.

My point was impatience. Since Jon announced the two new songs, things seem very slow to me, so this breakthrough was great. It's not the first time Jon does this, in the past it was very common, and some of those singles sold very well.

For me, it would be a disappointment that we would have listened to a live version first, I think it kills the experience of listening to a new song (and it has nothing to do with Jon's current voice). For me, the ideal order would be to first listen to the studio single, then the video and finally the live performance of the song.

When first listen to a live single before the studio version, then you will disappoint, whether if is better or worse. The same thing happens with an official video, when you listen to a song without video, you create your own image, and that stays etched, but when we listen to the song for the first time with the video, that self-image is lost, sometimes They make fantastic videos but other times they are a disaster.

Tell people who write the songs that’s “buying vs. stealing” is an outdated way to look at those things. Royalties are their livelihood. For someone like Jon who is both the writer and performer, it doesn’t make much difference. For the writers of George Strait’s songs it matters. He never wrote a song (well, maybe 2), but has had 60+ #1 songs and can tour stadiums and make millions on other people’s work; it matters.

No more updates on new music ?

I don't think so. I haven't heard anything from the band.

The new songs weren't meant to be released until late February and it seems like they haven't changed their plans after all, even though the first one is out there for about about 3 weeks now.