I think I’m the only one that didn’t listen to the leaked version!


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End of Feb I think I read somewhere

Not missing much.

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No... You're not....

Just more Mountain Climbing and Jon making a statement about 'making it'

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Oh, and basically asking Richie to come home, you know ;]

Yeah, people somehow keep missing that part. :)

The lyrics contain quite a few interesting hooks to them :3

WWWU is one of the band's best songs from this decade.

Lots of ppl complain but the leaked version isn't the final product so I hope it will sound much better once we get the real thing.

True. I also have big expectations for Walls.

I think every song from Burning Bridges to now have been about Richie

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So... Jon is Richie’s man? Well, that certainly adds to the drama. 😆

Sure. Jon finally came to his senses and realized they are being inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and he's locked the band in the studio until they get it right for once. Shanks is reverting all those layers of "music" and unpressing all the random U2-vaguely sounding background noise/guitars, Phil is recording a blazing solo and Jon is puking his throat out over and over until he gets the right vocal.

They are also cackling reading all the bitching we do. "Those fools, they really thought we'd play a finished song on the radio!"

Meanwhile they are finishing recording Walls, another ode to Richie. "Let's tear down those walls that separate us. You'll finally find your way home!"

Correction: "Let's Climbing down those walls that separate us."

Dunno if it's about every song but this song for sure. Jon said it's about the band and Phil said it's about the relationships. What bothers you so much, folks? The fact that Jon can actually miss his old comrade seems a bit uneasy to some of you. You'd rather Jon stayed f**** angry and got rid of all the sentiments. I actually like the concept. I want to see them together. 30 years means **** a lot and whatever happened 5 years ago can't totally wipe out all the memories. Can't wait to hear and see the live version of it.

What bothers people is just the blind hope people have that every lyric could be about Richie. There's no "For sure" here. There's theories that are twisting to fit what people think.

There are a lot of theories, that's for sure, but the lyrics to WWWU are quite obvious, if not blatantly obvious. The timing is right, too.

How is it blatant? What lines exactly are people perceiving to be about Richie?

"You can only go so far now
Till your on your way back home"

Could easily be about touring so much that you're closer to home then when you started ie Bed of Roses. It could be about the length of time as a band. It sounds like a band collective song to me but every one of those lyrics have a double meaning that could be related to the friendships we find in everyday life.

It's only about Richie if they're saying what you think the narrative should be, until someone associated with the song says it is.

If you can't see that, I can't actually persuade you anyway. Lots of people of both genders see it bc I've read hundreds of comments and you can't get it in a more direct way that it's about the history, the memories, the healed wounds and the will to reconcile in the end. You simply don't and won't forget the better half of your life as time does make you reconsider things. Everyone is free to make any associations they please or whatever imagery they want to conceive but for me it's obvious, especially after what Jon and Phil confirmed.

Richie allegedly said his new song can be of any nature of relationship and yet, the part of passion in bed excludes that. So does it mean the guys lie when they give the 'official' intepretation? I'll leave you with that. Goodnight.

I think those lyrics you quoted are about Richie because when he toured solo and with Orianthi after he left the band, he can only have so much success , and after that he wanted back in the band but Jon don't let him back in.

Aloha !

No, I'd rather have people stop thinking how every single line could maybe be about Richie.

This man hasn't written a decent set of personal lyrics in over a decade and you honestly believe he's suddenly going all out exposing himself about his true inner feelings about a bandmate who left him 5 years ago? It makes absolutely no sense.

I'm not saying he's not feeling anything anymore as I'm sure there'll still be some pain, but no way will Jon be this blatantly obvious to open the door when everything else he's done has been an effort to move on from Richie and his debacle. Besides, why open the door for a guy who's only gone downhill more since said breakup happened? It'd be like inviting your drunk ex back into your life.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Who says Jon wants Richie back in the band? Friendship can last outside the band, too. Mixing business and pleasure can last only for so long. Actually, there are quite a few souls who are convinced the failure of RSO project is just a matter of time bc it involves both professional and personal aspect of it. I'm not a prophet but I'm here, watching it closely. I wish them all nothing but what's best for them.

Aloha !

The failure of RSO has nothing to do with Richie coming back to the band. Richie is doing RSO exactly because Jon said no whenever he tried to come back. Richie's soloproject failing won't change a thing. If Jon would invite him back in the band he'd drop the project immidiately.

And no, you're not watching it closely, you're just trying to decipher a bunch of vague metaphors with the hope there's something in there that'll confirm your hopes and dreams in regards to them re-uniting. It won't happen unless there's a big bag of money involved for both parties. The times of friendship are over, they were over long before they split up.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

It makes two of us siting on two sides of the same fence but we're not them and never will be so it still means neither theory is more or less valid. Only time will tell what happens but you can't say the doors are closed for good.

Neither theory is no valid, agreed, but it's such a constant thing to keep hearing these lyrics are about Richie and it's trying so hard to think it's more than it is.

Jon doesn't have much left in him and I really don't think Bon Jovi would be any different with or without Richie at this point...

I still think Jon is a great writer and comes up with some good lines and lyrics every so often but it's just not enough... He's writing about the same things over and over. The same production doesn't help differentiate any of it either...He's so far removed, both mentally and talent wise, from his past self... Metallica went and did an old school album... I think they did a phenomenal job... Jon just doesn't have it in him to do that...

He's only touring 1 month at a time, 3 to 4 times a year now most likely due to physical / vocal issue...

He shows more passion for everything else in his life besides music... I think I've seen more promo pics for this new wine he's selling then the entire THINFS album release...

Jon's old and got old quick... He's 56...and Richie is a few years older... They are past the point of radio, they are past the point of new fans, and they are officially nostalgic...

Richie's return would just be a fan thing... It wouldn't help anything... The new music would be the same, the touring would be the same, and it would just cost Jon more money...



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Because why not?

Not EVERY one, no. Of course not. Jon said that TDITT was about someone at the label. And he said that AHTK was about Soul Kitchen volunteers. ;)


I guess you'd have to ask Jon that question because he's the one who said he was - as far back as NJ. Unless you think there's some other guy he was singing to when he said: "I was made...to be your man, to be your shoulder to cry on; be my baby, born to be your best friend, darlin'; to be your Superman, to be your shoulder to cry on, to be your brother... your buddy..."

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The best post Ive read on this board in years.
I agree every word you have written

I wouldn't say that ppl are trying to make the lyrics about Richie any more than I think ppl are trying to show how they're not about Richie. I think ppl just hear different things in the lyrics and that there are some songs where an argument could be made for either case. IMO, this is one of those songs.

I personally think it's interesting to read different theories. It doesn't bother me, one way or the other, what ppl think inspires a lyric until somebody gets all up in my face about how ridiculous my opinion is. I think one opinion is just as valid as any other and nobody knows for sure.

I will say that the only time it seems to bother people that someone has a different opinion about the inspiration or meaning behind a lyric is when that opinion suggests that it's about Richie. That seems to be what sets people off, anyway.

Case in point:

Why? Why does it bother you if people think songs are about Richie? It's only someone's opinion...

Jackie, I was totally being sarcastic when I said every songs been about Richie...

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I know that, RDK. I was totally being sarcastic in response to your sarcasm. I'll shoot lower next time. :p

A lot of bands that joined over time have had a second chance, like Guns N Roses. You never know.

Fan video of When We Were Us:

It's been surely posted before, but that's not the point. The scenes were taken from Access All Areas and I had watched that one probably 100 times in the last decade. It's the first time that I've noticed that Jon pulls down his pants in the background and you see his ass at 1:35...

Now THAT'S interesting!!

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In some ways. But it would also be a chance for a massive PR stunt. Reunion tour etc, it would sell them a lot more tickets.

I don[t know about elsewhere, but here in the UK, if you read social media pages such as Classic Rock Magazine and Planet Rock Radio, whenever anything is posted about Bon Jovi, an overwhelming amount of comments are "it's not Bon Jovi without Richie". Losing Richie has lost the band a lot of ticket sales over here from the Rock audience, which is still their main audience here. There is still a massive amount of Rock fans that go to gigs! I'm not talking about the people that brought Cross Road in 1994 because they liked Always, kinda knew Livin' On A Prayer and though Jon was cute. Those fans lost interest a long time ago...

Two things:
1) While you're not wrong, I think the effect Richie has on commercial success (stream counts, album and ticket sales) is not as big as we once thought and 2013 proved that. I did not expect at the time the second half of that tour to still be that successful. And now I'd happily see them again even without Richie, if Jon could still sing. But he can't and that's the main variable, not absence of Richie and I don't think I'm in the minority here. Sure we'd all be happy to have him back, but does it make a difference of going vs. not going? For most, I think the answer is no.
2) Richie hasn't been out of the band that long for a reunion tour to be that massive PR thing. I think it would need to be at least 10 years for it to matter on a general public level.

Just imagine how crazy people would go if they released Who Says now, cos clearly Jon wrote that about Richie even before he left through his crystal ball...

Axl can still sing, and that took what 20 years or so? They'd be in their 70s...

The people posting here are hard core fans, we all bought This House Is Not For Sale. And most would still go and see the band live, I was talking about the general Rock fans who like Bon Jovi and would go and see them live....again, I'm only talking about the UK, I wouldn't have a clue about anywhere else and you're clearly talking about the US, as the UK hasn't even had a first leg on the tour, never mind a second....Richie's absence has definitely hurt them over here, for all the points mentioned in my last post. I know people that saw BJ just after Richie left and said it was enjoyable but not the same and they wouldn't go again.

5 years is long enough when you are the age that the band are. Time is running out. The RNR hall of fame will create a a buzz about Richie being back with them if they perform, so absolutely there would be a huge interest.

Having said that I hope it doesn't happen. I want to see how RSO plays out personally. the Bon Jovi we knew and loved is no more, even with Richie back it wouldn't be the same now.