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rolo_tomachi 02-26-2018 07:23 PM

It's good, but I think it would be more representative if we saw images of each decade, past and present. It is the ideal song to do this kind of montage.

Xavi 02-26-2018 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1234983)
It's good, but I think it would be more representative if we saw images of each decade, past and present. It is the ideal song to do this kind of montage.

I agree 100%

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groover22 02-26-2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1234918)
http://www34.zippyshare.com/v/bSUZ4WP3/file.html

Isolated the vocals, he's singing "those days were not to last forever". However, it can be mistaken for the above mentioned since the compressor seems to make the two t letters sound like an "s".

According to Bon Jovi's Facebook page, it's 'those days when night's would last forever..'

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jovifan93 02-26-2018 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by groover22 (Post 1234994)
According to Bon Jovi's Facebook page, it's 'those days when night's would last forever..'

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Yup, it's legit. "Writing every page together, those days when nights would last forever, diamonds in the rough...#WhenWeWereUS". Makes a whole lot more sense, too, though Jon should probably work on his pronounciation, or Shanks on his compressors ;-)

symbeline 02-26-2018 10:54 PM

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Now it makes sense! I actually heard "my eyes" instead of "our eyes" and "riding every page" but since it didn't make sense I knew it was just the autotune. And the those days... sounded like a mangled not.

That's defo the compression on his voice because that didn't happened before. It's one thing to mishear a lyric but to listen knowingly and still not being able to understand it...

On a related note

Adam D 02-27-2018 02:01 AM

I just came here to leave the correct lyrics and I was beaten to it.

I knew it wasn't "Those days where not to last forever."

Glad to finally know what the correct lyric is and also that I'm not going insane.

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Bounce7800 02-27-2018 01:26 PM

Subtle reminder that I was the only one who had the lyrics right :cool:

bonjovi90 02-27-2018 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1235039)
Subtle reminder that I was the only one who had the lyrics right :cool:

Well, you can hardly blame the rest of us for Jon's horrific pronounciation these days :p

jovifan93 02-27-2018 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam D (Post 1235022)
I just came here to leave the correct lyrics and I was beaten to it.

I knew it wasn't "Those days where not to last forever."

Glad to finally know what the correct lyric is and also that I'm not going insane.

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Problem is that most people, especially who hear it on the radio (haha, yes, I know ;-)) will not know and will probably also hear "were not to last forever" and go "WTF?"...

BTW, I also heard "my eyes" - is it really "our eyes"? Strange production... I can only imagine what Shanks is doing to the vocals, since I'm able to produce crystal clear vocals with a 30 EUR microphone and a laptop with a DAW. So there must be some serious processing going on for Jon to sound the way he does, for better or worse. For example on THINFS it's almost (no, I'm certain) like the rasp is being simulated by distorting his voice (makign it too loud and let it clip or something like that). It's the first record where on different speakers and volume levels, the vocals sound either pretty good or totally doctored with. That was the case to some degree with WAN as well, but not as noticeable...

symbeline 02-27-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1235040)
Well, you can hardly blame the rest of us for Jon's horrific pronounciation these days :p

To be fair that lyric is a mouthful.

The other 99% of the time though...

symbeline 02-27-2018 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1235060)
Problem is that most people, especially who hear it on the radio (haha, yes, I know ;-)) will not know and will probably also hear "were not to last forever" and go "WTF?"...

BTW, I also heard "my eyes" - is it really "our eyes"? Strange production... I can only imagine what Shanks is doing to the vocals, since I'm able to produce crystal clear vocals with a 30 EUR microphone and a laptop with a DAW. So there must be some serious processing going on for Jon to sound the way he does, for better or worse. For example on THINFS it's almost (no, I'm certain) like the rasp is being simulated by distorting his voice (makign it too loud and let it clip or something like that). It's the first record where on different speakers and volume levels, the vocals sound either pretty good or totally doctored with. That was the case to some degree with WAN as well, but not as noticeable...

That is truly Shanks *fault* if you want. I have the impression and please somebody correct me if I'm wrong that even going back as far as HAND you can hear some unnatural rasp especially when compared to the demos. Might be my ears but the high notes on Bells Of Freedom or I Am don't sound completely raw as All About Loving You does. Of course there's always some enhancing but on the Bounce tracks I don't have any doubt it's Jon but on HAND there's that subtle echo/robotic vibe to his voice

Walleris 02-27-2018 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1235070)
That is truly Shanks *fault* if you want. I have the impression and please somebody correct me if I'm wrong that even going back as far as HAND you can hear some unnatural rasp especially when compared to the demos. Might be my ears but the high notes on Bells Of Freedom or I Am don't sound completely raw as All About Loving You does. Of course there's always some enhancing but on the Bounce tracks I don't have any doubt it's Jon but on HAND there's that subtle echo/robotic vibe to his voice

In fairness, Shanks had a lot less to play with compared to Luke Ebbin, as Jon declined quite significantly as a singer from 2002 to 2004-2005, yet Shanks made Jon sound like a million bucks on some tracks (e.g. Bells of Freedom).

bonjovi90 02-27-2018 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1235075)
In fairness, Shanks had a lot less to play with compared to Luke Ebbin, as Jon declined quite significantly as a singer from 2002 to 2004-2005, yet Shanks made Jon sound like a million bucks on some tracks (e.g. Bells of Freedom).

I think that at least two or three tracks on Have A Nice Day were recorded half a step lower (like they were played live) and then transposed back up again for the record. Hence Jon sounding rather artificial on some like I Am.

Captain_jovi 02-27-2018 06:23 PM

If you listen to the isolated vocals for Bells of Freedom you can hear the obvious cut closer to the guitar solo where it was two takes stitched together.

THINFS as an album has songs that you can tell a rasp was added. Born Again Tomorrow, God Bless this Mess and few others just sound....different then some of the other tracks that sound a bit more natural. We Don't Run is VERY guilty of it but yeah it started with HAND. Agreed that his voice wasn't in rough enough shape in 2002. It was declining from the previous era but when he did the Bounce songs live it didn't sound like a completely different style of singing.

bonjovi90 02-27-2018 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1235082)
If you listen to the isolated vocals for Bells of Freedom you can hear the obvious cut closer to the guitar solo where it was two takes stitched together.

THINFS as an album has songs that you can tell a rasp was added. Born Again Tomorrow, God Bless this Mess and few others just sound....different then some of the other tracks that sound a bit more natural. We Don't Run is VERY guilty of it but yeah it started with HAND. Agreed that his voice wasn't in rough enough shape in 2002. It was declining from the previous era but when he did the Bounce songs live it didn't sound like a completely different style of singing.

The album that actually always stood out to me in terms of fake rasp having been added was The Circle. Tons of "raw" vocals that sounded so far away from how the songs were live.

Rdkopper 02-28-2018 02:19 AM

Got one of my six CDs today from ticket master sales. Standard track listing 1 -12. No bonus tracks or new songs.

I'm thinking of throwing it right in the trash. They just can't do anything right. They are promoting 2 new songs to support the tour, you buy tickets for the tour, and the CD they send you doesn't have the songs they are promoting. WTF

I might need a Bon Jovi break for a while.

bjcrazycpa 02-28-2018 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1235138)
Got one of my six CDs today from ticket master sales. Standard track listing 1 -12. No bonus tracks or new songs.

I'm thinking of throwing it right in the trash. They just can't do anything right. They are promoting 2 new songs to support the tour, you buy tickets for the tour, and the CD they send you doesn't have the songs they are promoting. WTF

I might need a Bon Jovi break for a while.



You really thought the record company would spend more money to press more cds when it still had a boatload of the originals sitting and collecting dust?


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Rdkopper 02-28-2018 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1235139)
You really thought the record company would spend more money to press more cds when it still had a boatload of the originals sitting and collecting dust?


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Yes.... I really thought they were re-releasing the CD... And that's what we were getting...

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Becky 02-28-2018 05:43 AM

Give the CDs to friends who like the band but who don’t buy CDs anymore.

soundfire624 02-28-2018 09:14 AM

love the new song especially Walls, and too bad the video for WWWU is not so interesting like the title, it similar to Make A Memory and less passionate, they are rockstar for decades and at least it should be shown in the video instead of video like that...too bad

Jeeper 02-28-2018 10:53 AM

Not bothered to watch the video for WWWU. The song is ok. Still prefer Walls.


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VinceBJ 02-28-2018 11:57 AM

According to the Facebook page the lyric is, those days when nights would last forever


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bjcrazycpa 02-28-2018 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1235149)
Give the CDs to friends who like the band but who don’t buy CDs anymore.

Exactly what I'm doing!!

steel_horse75 02-28-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1235172)
Exactly what I'm doing!!

You can never have to many coasters for Tea cups!

bjcrazycpa 02-28-2018 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1235177)
You can never have to many coasters for Tea cups!

Ha ha...you know that's a good idea as well!! :)

Bounce7800 03-07-2018 11:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzy...ature=youtu.be

When We Were Us video now on Youtube.

Not a fan at all, Jon's OTT makeup makes it look like he has jaundice and everything just looks pretty dull. As someone said before, if only Jon would be stop being embarrassed by the past this could have been a really nice video. And the Jon/Phil lame Google video call product placement bit was cringeworthy.

Ok idea, poor execution.

Nige 03-07-2018 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1235508)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHzy...ature=youtu.be

When We Were Us video now on Youtube.

Not a fan at all, Jon's OTT makeup makes it look like he has jaundice and everything just looks pretty dull. As someone said before, if only Jon would be stop being embarrassed by the past this could have been a really nice video. And the Jon/Phil lame Google video call product placement bit was cringeworthy.

Ok idea, poor execution.

Totally agree. Would have liked to have seen some 80s and 90s footage included too.

jon-flp 03-07-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1235508)
Ok idea, poor execution.

as almost all bon jovi videos.

liljovi93 03-07-2018 07:00 PM

I actually don't mind the video. I like the clips. Yeah, I'd have loved more old clips but hey ho.

Jon's Photoshop look is absolutely abysmal though haha

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Dave88 03-07-2018 07:47 PM

- Tico as a Range Rover ambassador

- Jon and Phil secret crush

- Dave and Hugh trying to fill the void Richie has left as the alcoholic in the band

Wow this is so cringeworthy I could't help laughing the whole video [emoji23]

Eveline 03-07-2018 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave88 (Post 1235524)
- Tico as a Range Rover ambassador

- Jon and Phil secret crush

- Dave and Hugh trying to fill the void Richie has left as the alcoholic in the band

Wow this is so cringeworthy I could't help laughing the whole video [emoji23]

Some interesting interpretations out there lol :D Actually, the vid is so bad I watched it only once and I'll give it a rest. Most recent vids are s**t so I wasn't holding my breath.

Becky 03-08-2018 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave88 (Post 1235524)
- Tico as a Range Rover ambassador

- Jon and Phil secret crush

- Dave and Hugh trying to fill the void Richie has left as the alcoholic in the band

Wow this is so cringeworthy I could't help laughing the whole video [emoji23]

I find your interpretation humorous, but I liked the video. I only got around to watched it now. I certainly wasn’t going to pay for Tidal to see it.

So, what is the parent company of Range Rovers? Are they a tour sponsor? That sure looked like product placement to me.

united17 03-08-2018 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1235538)
So, what is the parent company of Range Rovers? Are they a tour sponsor? That sure looked like product placement to me.

Def product placement. Was impressed that they were able to fit all 3 product placements into a 3:36 video.

The Range Rover, Google Pixel and Sailor Jerry's rum.

Very blatant like the Sony stuff in the What Do You Got music video. Looking back at that one now is pretty funny since 3D TVs have flopped.

faith1985 03-08-2018 12:44 PM

Wow....product placement....LOL.
I watched it with the sound off and it is hilarious how they portray themselves and that it has hardly anything to do with the history of the band. it is mostly Jon and a bit of Tico and Phil. What exactly is this video wanting to tell me: hey, we drink, we use a specific car brand, we can use technology and we have a Jon on stage front and behind.

yes, I know I am a 'hater' and I can be ignored

Rdkopper 03-08-2018 02:49 PM

We've seen this video before. How many live videos is Jon going to make? The old footage is a great concept, but they should have gone back from the beginning and pulled some stuff we've never seen before...

I feel this has been a constant struggle with this band. Missed opportunities to turn something into greatness... Like when they re-released New Jersey, Sons Of Beaches. No additional never heard before demos and No Bonus footage from Access... A simple live soundboard of Cadillac Man could have turned that into greatness...

They need to stop trying to please the masses...If they want to create buzz for something, it starts with the diehards... and they have to do it right...

I've always said, underground bands become mainstream because of all the buzz their diehard fans make about what they are doing... Give us something to talk about...


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steel_horse75 03-08-2018 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1235557)
We've seen this video before. How many live videos is Jon going to make? The old footage is a great concept, but they should have gone back from the beginning and pulled some stuff we've never seen before...

I feel this has been a constant struggle with this band. Missed opportunities to turn something into greatness... Like when they re-released New Jersey, Sons Of Beaches. No additional never heard before demos and No Bonus footage from Access... A simple live soundboard of Cadillac Man could have turned that into greatness...

They need to stop trying to please the masses...If they want to create buzz for something, it starts with the diehards... and they have to do it right...

I've always said, underground bands become mainstream because of all the buzz their diehard fans make about what they are doing... Give us something to talk about...

totally agree 100%

Rdkopper 03-09-2018 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1235559)
totally agree 100%

The biggest let down are all the recycled live tracks...

Bon Jovi might have been the greatest live rock band in the world ever during the 80s / 90s and we get One Wild Night Live...

To this day, we still haven't gotten a proper box set live collection. All those great shows we all continue to talk about are just wasted... Covers, unreleased tracks, and performances that most humans on this planet could never give... Instead we get You Give Love A Bad Name from Zurich year 2000...

It's just laziness... Even if it costs a little more to dig deep or some royalties have to be paid out, get the fans something to talk about... something they deserve...

'Jon, you're 56 and rich as a mother ****er... Go in the vault and give us some good shit... Even it comes at a loss.. We are the reason why you're as rich as you are'

***now that I got that out***

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faith1985 03-09-2018 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1235586)
The biggest let down are all the recycled live tracks...

Bon Jovi might have been the greatest live rock band in the world ever during the 80s / 90s and we get One Wild Night Live...

To this day, we still haven't gotten a proper box set live collection. All those great shows we all continue to talk about are just wasted... Covers, unreleased tracks, and performances that most humans on this planet could never give... Instead we get You Give Love A Bad Name from Zurich year 2000...

It's just laziness... Even if it costs a little more to dig deep or some royalties have to be paid out, get the fans something to talk about... something they deserve...

'Jon, you're 56 and rich as a mother ****er... Go in the vault and give us some good shit... Even it comes at a loss.. We are the reason why you're as rich as you are'

***now that I got that out***

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Yes, I totally agree with you on this and your last post. But Jon wont because I think he is scared to see how he used to be able to deliver and that he cannot do it anymore. I think he is putting on a show so that he doesnt have to reflect, which would MAYBE lead to good music again.

I just dont get it: If you love to create music and have a 30 year career and love to talk about how much you love your work so do it. Unless you just like to hear yourself talk and do the opposite = chase sound, use big words withouit any real substance and so on:

Bounce7800 03-09-2018 01:31 PM

Jon's hate for nostalgia is really frustrating. Obviously nowdays it will draw unflattering comparisons with his vocal struggles, but he has never looked back or celebrated the past publicly. So many bands are doing anniversary tours for albums now - it's not bands who have nothing new either, for example the Manic St Preachers doing an Everything Must Go anniversary tour. They are still releasing and touring new stuff too, but it was a nice nod back to a great album.

Sadly we won't get that now in a live setting, and I still feel that the O2 residency was a huge missed opportunity for some decent themed setlists for that, but it would be nice to mark 20/25/30 years of albums musically at least. There's little cost to putting out a re-release or anniversary edition on Spotify - if they can do it with THINFS with 2 tracks, they can do a 25th anniversary These Days special for example. Unfortunately, we will probably only get more from the vaults when JBJ is no longer with us, which is such a shame that would have to wait until then rather than celebrate all the many good things now whilst they are here.


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