Yes, let's move on on. I didn't mean to cause you any upset or offense.

Anyways back to your points...

Maybe Jon just sings Prayer bad becasue his voice is shot and it's a really hard song to sing!? Maybe it's just that simple...

Maybe Jon shouldn't be kissing other women because he's married, more importantly..!?

So agree. I could tolerate it this way lol!!


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The thing about Prayer.
He might struggle with hitting the notes PHYSICALLY.

He struggles to pronounce the words due to overthinking or something else with the mind (Not at all saying he is crazy or something)

Prayer also has a thing, the talkbox.
Jon hears the talkbox each time he performs that song causing him to think about the past, Richie or something.
The struggle and him failing to pronounce words is MENTAL but might FEEL physical.
(The way anxiety causes chest tightness for some people)

He performed LOAP easily 2010 cause he knew Richie and everyone were there and didnt think that richie would leave.

To be honest here when i have gotten sad (If someone i knew died or something) or angry my voice suddenly got pretty weak and sometimes i talked and ended up exactly like jon choking up in Vegas Runaway Tour 2018. But once i stopped being angry, sad or whatever i was my voice went fully normal.

Jon in interviews talks normally cause he isnt thinking about richie or anything.

Now the PHYSICAL struggle might be hitting the correct notes like G4, etc.

Vocal cords: Note/Pitch. Darkness or lightness of note (woman hitting a note sounds different from a man hitting the same note.)

Mouth, tongue, teeth, lips: For pronunciation itself.

I disagree. It sounds worse then 2010 because his voice had deteriorated considerabley since then. If he's got anything on his mind it's hitting the notes and trying not to sound like shit.

He co-wrote most of the songs with Richie, so if it was the case he'd had Richie on his mid everytime he sung a line that Richie wrote, or heard a solo that was Richie's. Honestly, I think Jon is way over the Richie thing!

No, it's clearly a betrayal from his then-brother Richie that has caused him to lose his voice, you stupid hater!

Do you think you could potentially put the rapid decline of Jon's voice in 2013 to Richie leaving? Jon was clearly trying to cover for him not being there which won't have helped his voice.

Actually used 2010 cause otherwise i would have to type "2013 before richie left".

Mental reasons of why he started sounding worse instantly after Richie left.

Now if he's unable to hit C5 thats probably physical.

The reason he sounds better 2018 than 2017
is cause those bad mental stuff are going away.

Physical improvements to his voice wont come.
Mental stuff that he is getting rid of is slowly making him sound like what he actually sounds like when singing
(For example SIBSN Sao Paulo 2017 acoustic intro before song starts as example. Or Jon singing during karaoke bar prank.).

James. I am sure he was sarcastic.

Guys, I don't think if I'm being too optimistic, but I think Jon is slowly gaining his stage presence back. He moved during Prayer and even sounded decent. And I THINK, that he actually hit the " livin on a preeyaaar" part before the guitar solo properly for once! He even did the "woah-oh-oh" sing-along part with audience!

He very likely is.
He even moved on IML this time.
Almost all the timr during Sleep.
Didnt watch many songs at all, i was too early on YT for that concert.
He seems to be gaining back more stage presence than 2013 even when Richie was there (Didn't move on Prayer that time from what I've seen).

Even did the jungle noise like Denver.

Let's not get too excited though, let's see if improves or remains at Salt Lake City concert level for a consistent amount of time (5-10 shows).

I agree. His overall voice is probably gone for good, but:

1) he's doing the scream on KTF again
2) he's moving again
3) he seems to be enjoying himself on stage again
4) HE SEEMS TO HAVE HIS PASSION FOR PERFORMING BACK.

So, I don't think these shows are completely shit. Mind you, they're not anywhere close to Bon Jovi at their peak either, but there are still several enjoyable elements about them.

I can still listen to Bon Jovi sing live actually, it's not too bad or anything 2018. I almost never listen to the 2015 or 2017 shows (Except South America) though.

I would try to visit a Bon Jovi show if they came to Stockholm nowadays. I bet they will not come though due to the boring crowd (He has complained about this if i remember correctly.)

I'm not sure about the Stockholm crowd but I think the band needs to come to Sofia again. The first time they came over here Jon had hay fever and couldn't perform at the top of his abilities. The band owe the Bulgarian crowd another concert because I think our crowd was quite good.

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Review: Bon Jovi has moments of brilliance amid a sleepy set of duds

https://www.sltrib.com/artsliving/mu...for-sale-tour/

This review shows the disconnect between what Jon wants (and gives) and what the casual audience wants:

But the way they went about it Friday night — with 13 of the 22 songs played coming from the year 2000 or later — had its drawbacks, which were readily apparent every time the crowd chose one of those tracks as an opportune time to sit down for a bit.

The percentage is completely skewed the wrong way. There should definitely be some accounted for by new songs (More THINFS songs in my opinion, its the THINFS tour and you got a copy of the album with your ticket, you should be able to cope with it live) but even if Jon wanted to show the newer songs, he still keeps picking the same ones time and time again.

The Lost Highway songs are overplayed, Amen should have been left on the BWC tour (although at least the crowd stage gives it some relevance) and ILTT should be just forgotten it ever existed.

And for most of these, the casual goers don't care for them anyway - watch the livestreams and see the mobile screenss come on, people flicking through their FB/Twitter, it's the millenials version of a piss break. So give us and them something different, Bon Jovi post 2000 is not without its gems - Loves The Only Rule, Thorn In My Side, Misunderstood, Any Other Day etc...

Please note for those who dislike "negative" views before crying about slating the band, this is CONSTRUCTIVE. It's not dissing the shows or the experience being there - If they had bothered to tour Europe this year, I'd be there in a heartbeat. Whatever the improvements needed, like you I enjoy favourite band performing my favourite songs.

The shows have not sounded too bad (for the current spec voice) but why should we and the band settle for 2nd rate setlists when we know this band can be better. Yes, there's massive vocal limitations on JBJ currently but there's no reason why some of this dead wood that's hung around for at least a decade can't be cleared. Maybe I'm fortunate with the gigs I've seen that are all in Europe and are all without fail better than some of the vanilla they serve up in the states. You deserve better and the band can do better in respect of the setlists. It's why the PBP's these days turn into the same discussions, because there has been next to no changes from show to show, even tour to tour and for a band with such a vast catalogue, its frustrating.