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Sebs dead on. If you think their relevancy died in 2005 so why try to fix things.....I don't get it. I'm not saying swapping songs in and out will put them back in stadiums but why not try and go after more than the masses who are so indifferent to the songs they don't know?
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I get what manarosi is saying tho, reviewers and casual fans are indeed clueless most of the time.
I read this article a few days back https://www.heraldextra.com/entertai...aebc77ada.html that basically says they are playing for all their fans! they have hits and album cuts! you've never seen an act like this one before, they have a song for every album and every era! Quote:
But the fact is that fans are complaining. Take a look at twitter and facebook and you'll see that other than the same 2-3 people posting lots of pictures (which it's not a bad thing eh), the regular joe that attends more than one show will complain about hearing the same SHIT. Yes, I said shit because 60% of the setlist is shit, nobody is complaining about the hits but there's TONS of room for improvement and small changes every night. Which we also discussed in almost every 2017 show |
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Just to make it clear i don't like this situation either so don't kill me please i'm Just trying to have a chat :mrgreen:
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Or WLOL? Or fvcking Born To Follow which tanked everywhere and unlike Everyday (that was somewhat popular) he's hellbent on TRYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN Or...? We could do this all day long. The reasoning is, if you go to several shows, you'll get used to all the *hits* that Jon is trying to cram down everybody's throat. But if you go to several shows, you'll hear the same basic setlist almost down to a T which means you'll probably don't go to more than 2-3 shows if you where planning to do more, which will mean that you'll forget about those songs nobody cares about because they are frankly shit songs. Same would happen if he sang King Of The Mountain. You either know it and enjoy it, don't know it but like it or ignore it. To an average casual fan Amen is as rare as King Of The Mountain so the reasoning behind why so many songs are not being played is simply a lie. Do you honestly think that people are listening to Amen and saying damn I want more of this?? PS: I posted before I saw your reply, this rant is not against you but against defending their bullshit |
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Btw we're arguing about something that maybe 200-300 people do (i mean going to multiple dates) so It is Pretty much irrevelant to them |
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You can't honestly tell me with a straight face vocal troubles are the reason he doesn't sing Novocaine, Everybody's Broken, Mystery Train etc. We're not asking for rare songs, we're talking about different songs. |
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Further on, Whole Lot Of Leavin' caused a piss break at every Bon Jovi show I've seen in America. The same for Lost Highway and We Weren't Born To Follow. You keep going on about vocal issues being the reason why he won't play the rare stuff, but considering how he sings Bad Medicine there's no reason to believe that's the reason why. I saw 4 shows in New Jersey back in 2010. The show with the most rare songs had the loudest crowds because there was no Lost Highway/Whole Lot Of Leavin' combo. It kills a crowd every single time I saw it getting played. Yet he insists on keeping it in there. I'm sure Jon loves the songs, but if your argument is not being able to play other stuff people don't know, it should count for those songs as well. By now the band has released roughly 200 songs. They've got 10 top 40 hits. And you're saying out of the other 190, stuff like Amen, Lost Highway, Whole Lot Of Leavin', We Weren't Born To Follow and so on needs to be played in order for a casual fan not to leave disappointed? They can't risk it? If you honestly believe this band would lose people over 4 songs in a set including 10 top 40 songs you have little faith in the hits anyway. They're in the Hall of Fame exactly because the huge amount of hits and the people who keep coming to these shows. Even with the band at its all time low right now they're still able to play Madison Square Garden. They've got nothing to lose, which should be all the more reason to mix it up. Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
Quite simply, they've not recorded anything like enough first class material since Crush at least (and many would say that was being generous), their best songs since then have never caught the public imagination or have been rarely played, and it's ever harder to paper over the cracks live.
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I started collecting bootleg concerts around 1989. Even back then Jon and the whole band talked about how the set list was different every night.
It wasn’t. It rarely has been and rarely will be. The only reason I say rarely instead of never is they have done a few different things every now and again like opening a show with Wanted or when they used to throw in an acoustic set. The set list for every tour has been pretty stable. 35 years in, take it or leave it. We would all like to know we could be surprised, but by now you ought to know not to buy tickets with that expectation. |
The set list thing is just pure laziness on Jon's part. Not many bands can say they have hundreds songs to choose from in their back catalog, so why pick the same ones every night? Really missing out on an opportunity to make every show unique, I just don't get it...
I was gonna try and get a hold of people in the Jovi camp, I will donate $1,000 to Jon's Soul Kitchen charity if plays "Bounce" or "Next 100 Years" in Milwaukee. Maybe he needs incentive to play different things, I don't know. :D |
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Manarosi, you twist your argument as you see fit. It's hard to debate things when you switch your point of view from one way to the other. Plenty of points you try to make, make me wonder if you've actually seen shows in America, or if you've even seen shows yourself as your judgement towards the way an audience reacts to certain songs is off. Quote:
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Further on, especially in America, the eighties stuff works incredibly well over there. While in the rest of the world their career really took off in the nineties and people go see Bon Jovi play anything, in America a lot of people go see Bon Jovi to hear the eighties stuff. It's a gimmick, a fad people want to relive for nostalgic reasons. Anything afterwards is irrelevant unless it's a ballad, a hit, or a party song. Hence stuff like We Weren't Born To Follow not working and a song like I'll Sleep When I'm Dead does. A lot of fans over there, and I'm not talking about the die hards, either just want to punch their fist in the air during the eighties stuff or hold their partner during the ballads. And then take a piss during the songs that falls out of the category. Quote:
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They definitely should start doing different setlists every night based from what I read.
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I agree with Seb, I'd much rather hear a rarity get butchered than not be played at all.
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i don't really like tbh the tone you are using but let's forget about it. do you really think that these days there are many fans going FOR THE FIRST TIME to a bj concert?? first of all, today's crowd is different to 15 years ago crowd, you can't simply compare them and neither you can compare a bj concert of 15 years ago to a 2018 one. second of all you are comparing two rock/fun songs with 2 semi-country songs, can't compare them too 'cause they have a different role during a concert( you can't have a full rocky concert neither a full country one, you have to balance them), and we're talking about songs that have been out since 11 years, not 3 like in 2010, maybe them should be a little bit more known now than in 2010 since those have been overplayed don't you think? third, i didn't say that those aren't piss break songs, what i'm trying to say is that if he replaces those songs with songs that nobody knows that's pretty useless don't you think? call it lazyness, whatever you like but frankly that's it. it would benefit only the "diehards" but then again they would just bury jon for the performance. fourth, as i already said, why should they play 80's songs that are UNSUSTAINABLE for jon and that can only damage them? i think you're aware of what could become this forum if hey god it's played and butchered by jon, imagine if everybody realizes the situation what a bad bad situation would be for bj. fifth, how many diehards do you think are going nowadays? let me repeat this for like the 4th time, i'm not trying to defend them, i'm not paid from them (sadly) and i'm not some troll like somebody else is, i've told u what concert i've been too, u should know the setlist of those concert so how can i like this situation?? what i'm trying to figure out here is that MAYBE the setlist is not the first thing to worry about...when i'd hear an entire concert with THIS seltist that sounded at least decent then i'll worry about the setlist..otherwise we should really really be grateful that this circus is still going on and that most of the people don't care about the actual problems...then it would be the end (KISS anyone?) |
Are there any videos of this gig on YT?? I've only watched BOR.
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One of the users have uploaded WDOA, LOAP, THINFS, etc (Not all of them though).
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Interview with David & Tico March 5th. https://www.nationalrockreview.com/g...orres-bon-jovi
Q: All right. I also was just wondering, just given the popularity of the band as such that you could put out a five-disc compilation of B sides and outtakes and still have it sell like crazy. What are some of your favorite songs from the catalog to play and is there anything that you think should get more attention than what it has? David Bryan: You love to play the old songs and the new ones and we mix it up and that’s what keeps it fresh. We have so many to choose from so we change up the sets every night and swap out a couple of songs. You always got to play the ones that we have to and want to and our fans expect and we expect. Yeah, and we get a lot of variety now with every record there’s another 12 songs to play. It’s good on the memory too. It’s fun. Q: How many songs do you have to choose from when you make the set list? Tico Torres: Jesus, about 100. More, yeah, we’re up to a lot of songs. Interview with Mike Rew March 14th http://www.westword.com/music/bon-jo...enver-10084042 "We rehearsed a lot of songs we haven’t played in a long time,” Rew says. “Hopefully people will be happy with the song selection.” In addition to some of the band’s biggest hits, Rew says there are eight songs the band interchanges in the setlist every night. Bon Jovi can change the list on the fly using what Rew calls an “audible,” where he’ll tell the crew, into a microphone in front of the drum set what song he wants to play. “We get a little bit of warning,” Rew says. “Sometimes we don’t.” |
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With all this talk about “piss breaks” JBJ should limit the set to 60 minutes and prevent the venue from selling beer. That should keep everyone in their seats to hear a rare song and not leave!
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Look at this pearl Jam set list from last night. Look how many songs casuals have probably never heard of . There’s quite a few. But it’s a great set . Something for everyone. I have every Pj album but Sitting here I can’t even think how 9 of them go. This is a set list Jovi should take note of. |
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There’s a BJ v PJ debate? Where? You do know Ten sold more than Bon Jovi’s debut and 7800 x 100 when first released. Pearl Jam we’re huge on release of Alive, Jeremy, even Flow and Black. Hardly anyone knew about the first 2 jovi albums until SWW came out. |
How come there are barely any videos from the shows?
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Yes I DO know all that. They're a big band but much different kind of hits, they are not AOR which is directly what Bon Jovi's current fanbase falls under. |
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Pear Jam has a following like the Dead. Their fans go to multiple shows because every setlist is unprectable. And their top ticket price is $112. They're a damn good band. There's a reason why they got inducted into the RRHOF the first year they were eligible.. |
I have seen Pearl Jam once, Oslo 2014. Amazing show. And they did 14 songs in the encore. It's on my top 3 list of shows i seen. I Wish Bon Jovi do something like this. But the setlist they are playing this year is amazing, but they need to change it more often.
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