Why do you feel sorry? (genuinely curious)

I'd feel sorry if there was a clear reason as to why his voice has declined to basically gone in 5 years. Yes, it's not gone, yes he can do a *jungle noise*, yes there are way worse singers. But he's lost all control over his voice which in my book equals to losing his voice.

By all accounts, this happened because of all the years of abuse and not taking proper care/not working enough on it. Therefore I don't feel sorry.

If we knew there's a real physical reason behind it, he's done everything he could, etc. I would be really sorry. Getting old and becoming a pale imitation of your former self sucks. But then I remember all the smoking, all the cocky "we don't rehearse" attitude and I can't feel sorry. I feel angry this is how BJ will end

I was expecting that These Days to be an awful lot worse. It's of the current level of his vocals, and I'd much rather he'd give a shit version of These Days than a shit version of WLOL or I Love This Town etc..

Calling anything "good" is a readjustment of expectations as even the best current day vocal is worse than even the worst 2013 and before vocal. But I'm glad he added that and BoB to the set, better to butcher some good songs and give at least some enjoyment than just butcher the same old shit.

Plus the Richie being there thing, he'd have never got on stage, it's giving away the payoff for the Rock Hall. Be interesting if he makes an appearance at a show post-Rock Hall.

So Richie was really there and they missed the opportunity to play IBTFY, WLOL and Memory?

Would've been great to debut their I Love This Richie

Ok, I'll see myself out...:mrgreen:

Jon sounded way worse/more unpleasant in September-December 2013 overall than he does now. I'm glad the nasality he still displayed back then is gone by now (for the most part anyway).

For me, his current vocals are around the level of mid-to-late July '13 - shit, but not as shit as they'd become later.

Is there any real confirmation that Richie was there or just that photo which is not conclusive? (at least for me)

I’m sorry because I want him to do well. This band has been a big part of my life. I don’t want them to sound like this or quit on a low.

Fair enough, I feel the same

Which is a point that quite a lot of people miss. People aren't trashing the band for no good reason- we've seen them many times over the years, we want them the best they can be. Same with the setlist "moans". No-one can hand on hard say the setlists are acceptable with this bands back catalogue, look how just adding These Days and Blood on Blood piques a bit of interest.

Yep, this is the way I see it. However, I think after the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame my Jovi days might be over.
What made me become a fan was the chemistry between Jon and Richie in the first place as well as with Tico and Dave and the fact that they had some untouchable magic to their live shows.
When Richie left, I didn't want to give up on them because, as Thierry also said, they've been a big part of my life and I wanted them to do well. Still do, actually.
But in the last 5 years everything the band was about - from the charisma, the energy live and in the music to a guitarist and a singer that could take a concert to a different level - it's all gone.
When I came on there this morning and I saw people hyping up These Days as such an outstanding performance, I was keen on checking it out, still hoping that the old spark had come back. What I saw was a poor performance of a song that, especially in live performances, used to mean the world to me, more thatn anything in the way of how Jon controlled the verses and delivered them. Nothing of that was in there anymore.

I don't mean to spoil the fun for anyone and if people can actually still enjoy this, go for it and have the time of your life (really no irony in here). I've had some of the best concert moments of my life at Jovi shows, some nights I'll never forget. However, during the last year I've started to realize that all the joy I had gotten from these concerts is starting to fade and blur more and more as I see what they are now. And I don't want these memories to fade.
It's been a great ride nonetheless :)

maybe this is how it will end because of its past?? maybe his voice is shot because every freakin record he pushed his voice to his limit, making it unsustainable during live shows? i don't think if he took care of his voice loap, always, stbi (hell even it's my life was so high for him at that time, just listen to how much strain is put into during the registrations) and so on would have ever been recorded, would you still like them the same without all of that?? idk i feel that maybe he's just done man...i agree he could have been more careful about this and that but how many years would have he added to his career?? 2? 3? this man is in the middle of his THIRD voice crysis, this is not only about smoking and so on. still, i was watching some videos from night 2 it's not that bad c'mon, this is 2018 not 1992

Just listened to that These Days performance... just awful. Saying it's not their worst performance or better than the ones from the past couple years is no barometer for success. It's hard to listen to an awful version like this of one of my very favorite songs, and, in my opinion, one of the best songs ever recorded. I'm currently listening to the performance of These Days from Rio de Janeiro on the Circle Tour, and granted, it was 7.5 years ago now, but it was immeasurably better than what just happened last night. Even the performances from 2013 are leaps and bounds better.

I agree with what was posted above. We're not slagging off the band just because we want to, we're doing it because we want to see them realize their potential. We've seen them so much better not very long ago.

Following the trajectory they're currently on, it's going to be more and more difficult to watch this band fade away the way they are. And you can't blame us for not wanting to see that... especially when this band has been a big part of the lives of so many of us.

Once they’re not in activity anymore, the balance between good / bad era will readjust itself naturally though.

Personally, a lot of what they've done up until 2011 will remain forever engraved in my memory as one hell of a ride. That's almost 30 years of gold.

Ok - I just listened to the These Days video and also to Blood on Blood. I guess my review is middle of the road. I honestly don't think it is as bad as many on this thread have claimed. Go listen to These Days from Giants Stadiums last night in 2006 - that was bad. I was delighted to hear These Days here at home but even when I was listening to it live I was cringing. Things improved greatly since then - thank god.

I'm not claiming that this is great - it isn't. But I have heard worse and considering how awful Jon sounded on the last tour here this is an improvement. I would like to hope that he would continue working on his voice as he must have done between 2006 and 2008. Perhaps there will be one more tour of Europe and then a homecoming show here at MetLife next summer.

I can dream can't I? :D

Very bad performance of Bad Name:

https://youtu.be/60TiqzypkOg

Jon is not going to retire Bon Jovi after the RARHOF / or this tour.

I just got the chance to watched the videos back and I can see why you are all so saddened but trust me when I tell you, it was fantastic being there in person. Listening to it on YouTube is like listening through an IEM. Trust me, if that's what people heard, they would have booed and walked out.

Here's my assumption. Jon wasn't expecting to play that long or expecting to play TDs and/or Blood On Blood. He played an extra half hour from the night before and even went past 11:00PM. I also don't think he knew Richie was going to show up (It could have been discussed but I don't think it was a guarantee)... I think once he got word of it, he wanted to show off a little. Jon really engaged the crowd and pulled out those two songs last minute. He probably wanted to show off Phil (and the other guys too). Don't forget, Richie made a comment a while back about it "not being the real thing" without him... Jon wanted Richie to see it and I don't blame Jon for that.

If I'm right, which I usually am, It wasn't about his voice at that point. It was about Jon still doing it without Richie. People are here, People are engaged, this back kicks ass, I'm still a great front man, and it's not just the new stuff...

I have to agree with you here - it's exactly what I was thinking but didn't really want to post.

By that rationale every band that has videos posted on YouTube recorded from a mobile phone should sound like shit. They don't....

I'm sure that you had a great time, but being caught up in the moment at a live show, the buzz of the crowd, etc, can give off a very different vibe and experience to watching it on YouTube. You miss things when you are there in the flesh, that you will notice on a video...

It's good though that some people don't notice the vocal problems, etc at all.
Better than to play in an empty arena.
I would go to a Bon Jovi show these days for the songs, etc and to see them.

This is a fantastic performance

Sure, being in the moment is part of it... I'm sure me singing through it with the 8 beers I drank helped him out a lot too... I'm not saying that his YouTube voice isn't his real voice became I know it is... All I'm saying is, it didn't come across that way last night and I'm actually a little shocked to hear that today... I'm not talking as a fanboy, I'm talking as a realist...

Another thing that is false is, Jon is glued to the mic...not true...maybe a few certain songs but I can tell you he was bouncing all around...

Again, things are much different when you are there live... Most people aren't watching the entire concert from start to finish in that type of detail... They are watching for the Setlists and Rarities...Sure, Jon was glued during Blood on Blood but he was also bouncing around during the six songs prior to the encore so I'm okay with Jon standing still on that one...

Fans aren't watching Knock Out and Bad Name...however those are two songs that he moves on...

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I always thought some of you had problems with their ears, now I think some of you have problems with their eyes, of course that’s Richie, and he was there before the Keep The Faith break that JBJ takes, so he could say hi over there, who knows?

P.S. AUDIBLES were: Memory, Superman, Blood On Blood and Die For You

Interesting, no These Days or Blood On Blood... Sounds like a last minute decision to me...

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I wonder what Richie thought of Phil??? It would be cool if he showed him some tricks or how to play some parts properly during their rehearsal sessions...

I really hope Richie's there for a jam session with Phil and not to replay It's My Life...

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Where did you see that?

It absolutely was Mr. Sambora, there's photos all over facebook and some very nice wireless recordings of their rehearsals were recorded and are making rounds in the "circles". :)

I've seen an overhead photo of what people are saying is Richie but no photos where it's clearly him. Not that I'm saying I don't believe it but I was more talking about him being there before Keep the Faith.

Quick review from someone who was there...

I drove 10 hours one way across 5 states for this show, so I had a lot invested in it. I feel like I couldn’t have picked a better show this tour, all the travel was worth it.

The sound system in the PRU sucked. Dunno what the problem was there. Jon moved around way more than I expected.

When the first notes to These days started, I went crazy! I videoed the whole song from the 7th row, and I still haven’t watched it since I’ve been driving home all day. During the show I could see and hear that it was a struggle for Jon, but I personally appreciate that he tried. I’d rather hear it with some struggle, than never hear it again.

Jon was all over the crowd out in the audience. He even jumped off of the stage and went to someone in the front row in my section. Did anyone see what was happening there?

I had a great time. That’s all that matters to me.

There was this picture in reply to one of Matt’s tweets, claiming to have been taken at the concert.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...82a7e123b7.jpg


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Pretty much sums up my feelings. Thanks for your review.



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I'm glad you're happy, but if you watch these two videos back to back and think the second video sounds better than the first, you're drinking the kool aid, sorry.

Giants 2006 was far from perfect, but the middle register notes still sounded fine.

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Well rdkopper was at the show and he felt that way at the show.
I don't expect many 40 - 60 years old in the crowd to jump and scream, etc but they still might like it.

Being a relatively new member of this forum, without naming any names, the rudeness of some of the members here is a shame. Respectful disagreement is good, it creates debate, but that's not what a select few seem to initiate here.

Better photo of Richie at the show.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e49c298077.jpg

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Right. And while I'm guilty of being one of them at times, I'm usually not.

That Bad Name performance for example is not "very bad", it's just "ok" at best, but would probably work fine for me if I was there in person. Hell, I even didn't turn it off on YouTube like I did with some 2017 stuff. And yes, there's been a dramatic improvement in Jon's voice between 2017 and 2018/lately. Is it enough for him to sound good/great again? No. But maybe he'll improve further, and if not, it's actually listenable now, so I'll definitely go if they decide to come to Europe ever again.

Agree with you. Some will always complain about many stuff. just doesnt make any sense, band is older now get over it.
Jon and the band was ok, far from bad like many sad....

I agree, I'm hoping I'm able to see them again, the only time I've seen them was London 2008 when I was 7 so I don't remember much of it. The personal insults towards people I've occasionally seen here is a shame, as for a younger fan such as myself it's great seeing the memories some of you guys have.

I agree Richie being there was all JBJ needed to give that little bit extra - to say to him - look at us/me still selling out stadiums after you left.

Also agree that although disappointed Richie didnt get on the stage theres no way thats gonna happen before the RNRHOF performance but also at the same time no chance of it happening after either.

RS say he dont miss Bon Jovi but he does. Who wouldnt. JBJ misses RS but wont say so publicly.

isn't that a 120% performance??

Mod deleted, you've both had your pop at each other now.