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People complaining about people analysing setlist because they weren't at the show? Might as well shut the forum as that's what we've done for the best part of 20 years. You can only judge what you see, and for those not there it's setlists and video. Despite not being there, I can call a setlist garbage and that opinion is valid, just as someone who was there can enjoy the show. I enjoy every bj show I've been to, it wouldn't offend me that people on the internet thought it was no good. You can still admit there are flaws to the band whilst enjoying it. This notion that unless everything is amazing then you're a hater is patently immature and not exactly in line with a discussion forum. Anyway, good to see some small setlist changes here and there, that's what we want to see. It's nowhere near enough but it's good that Jon is chucking a few more out there. See, if the Americans had bought these days back in the 90s you wouldn't have been deprived of the songs for so long :p |
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I don't wanna crap on Phil, because he is very good at his job in what is a very tough position to be, but if HOF performance proved one thing, is that even this drunk and sloppy version of Richie still enhances live performances more than Phil. And when Jon is no longer the singer nor the frontman we know and love, Richie is needed more than ever. And I still hate hits guts for the way he left 5 years ago, I also think RSO stuff is mostly crap and his solo live performances have been quite embarrassing, but as far as Bon Jovi goes, that's just facts. |
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Becky just posted her biggest post review in a long, long time. Now read it again and see how much was about the music and how much was about the show element of a Bon Jovi show. It's what symbelline is on about, I reckon. Jon's supposedly got his groove back but all he's changed is throwing a whole bunch of extra smiles, winks and high fives with the crowd. All while still sounding like a strangled cat. It seems to work though, because his loyal fanbase cares for this shit and eats it up like hot cakes. I honestly can't imagine anyone saying Phil X sounds great when doing solo's. Whenever Richie used to do a solo the song would take off. When Phil's doing a solo the song comes to a crashing halt. His solo's don't serve the music, they're there because a guitar solo is needed. Like danfan says, he's missing the bluesy feeling, but he's also just not able to compose a decent solo by himself. But god forbid people on here actually question ones opinion on something, you're automatically blasted by people like rokenrola and the likes because they seem to feel attacked and offended on a personal level. They act as if their entire identity is questioned when really all I do is wonder what attracts you to a guitarist who sounds nothing like Richie Sambora and the sound attached to Bon Jovi. If you really can't deal with opinions stop posting your shit on the internet. Salaam Aleikum, Sebastiaan |
Oh, finally a string of posts I can second in a heartbeat! Thank you guys, it was loud and clear!
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People who don’t go to shows and criticize them say that anyone who enjoys a show must be some screaming female who only cares about Jon’s looks. I, for one, have never fit that description. There is no way in hell I would pay for tickets, travel costs (gas, flights, hotel accommodations), endure travel misery, or use my TWO personal days allotted per school year if I wanted to LOOK at Jon. I can look at him for free in my own home by pulling up a video on YouTube.
I don’t pay for or make an effort to do something that I don’t enjoy. If a nonessential something or someone causes me to feel more negativity than positivity, I can cut them out of my life. That comes to TV shows, music, and people. |
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As for the rest of that short rant, I hope it wasn't referring to me or the comment you quoted. Surely, you know I was teasing. Otherwise, the smiley would have been :roll: instead of :p. I'd think you would know by now that if I were seriously bitching, I would never do so in third-person (and rarely with less than 5000 characters). While I can do without the vulgar humor you and Panda have been engaging in lately, I normally appreciate your acerbic wit, even when I'm the one on the receiving end of it. I was just trying to lighten the mood a little. Since you had just said something to Becky, much like what people were complaining about, I picked on you. But if you were offended (perhaps by your own confrontation with a kernel of truth), I apologize. No offense was intended. |
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I, among most others here, have never fit that description. So, if you are going to complain about people who generalize the characteristics of "some" to include an entire group, then maybe a good place to start would be by not doing the same thing yourself. I don't think that YOU (or others, like Deb or Kathleen, for example) would go to shows just to look at Jon. But if you've read many of the comments from a lot of other fans, I don't think you can seriously deny that that there ARE those who do exactly that - or seem to, based on the way they are totally focused on Jon and how hot he is, almost to the exclusion of anything or anyone else involved. I would go so far as to say, from my own observation, that a good chunk of the band's fans (male or female), or those who post reviews anyway, react that way. From your post about Nick and Lori's comments on Volume, even THEY spent more time talking about how hot Jon is, or how well he's aged, than they did about the new music they were supposed to be promoting. And if I'm not mistaken, one of them is male. Stereotypes exist for a reason, and like it or not, there are a lot of fans who ARE primarily invested in Jon or in his looks. I can only see one of two reasons why this is such a hot button for you. It seems like you are either concerned that people will think YOU fit into that category (which doesn't seem to be the case for most of the people here), or you resent the hell out of the females who have given Bon Jovi fans a bad name by contributing to the stereotype. Either way I, for one, would appreciate it if you wouldn't take your frustration out on the people who post on this board by labeling them as "sexist" just because they imply that music is not the primary interest of SOME of the female Bon Jovi fans. Not only is it inaccurate, but it also trivializes the real problem with sexism which, imo, goes much deeper than the way someone views the fans of some band. |
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Maybe Jon should call you to ask advice because you know so much that he and other band members are clueless. I also dont aprove everything band do and when is needed I write that,I dont have problem with opinions here,this is just reaction to yours and couple of others here opinions for years and years about same thing,you are boring and you didnt tell anything new.I dont care for Richie,his blues playing,his songwriting,he left all of that without saying anything and he is lost a lot. But we are blind folowers and I will stay that way and write what I feel about this band and no more paying attention to your or your buddies here. |
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This is BJ now,like it or not. Judging Phil for not fitting the band is silly,he is great player,adding a lot of energy that Richie lacks for years.
I really dont have a problem with you who dont like BJ state right now,it is your right to think and behave like that but I have problem when some of you judge someone here who attend the show and enjoy it,specially if you judge it because it is female fan and she is not only one who enjoy the shows. When I say that couple of you here write the same thing for years,no matter is it Richie or Phil now,it is became pattern,complaing about same thing-Jons voice,Richie playing,setlist and now it is Jons voice,Phils playing not fitting the band,setlist,adding Everett and Shanks...and army of fans go and see them,enjoy in music,they dont analise band because it is not a book or some competition,it is concert. But here you have analists,Jon needs to do that or this,move around,not grabbing the mic,sing lower or Phil must do studio solos because he is hard rock guitar player,he smiles too much and wave with head too much,Shanks is ghost,no stage presence,annoying,Everett is not needed and ... |
I see Seb’s post because someone quoted it. I already said in a previous post that Jon and the band sounded fine to me and I was standing next to a speaker, so I think I heard it just fine.
There’s no point in saying anything about Jon’s voice other than he sounds fine to me bc certain people will always say otherwise. I don’t usually see Seb’s posts. He’s one of those sources of negativity I cut out of my life years ago. And the other moderators know it—that’s why there is a team. |
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I'll gladly discuss anything, anywhere but I can't be bothered to argue with people who clearly don't read or understand the points being made and keep referring to other people in the third person. I'm not trying to be snarky, but real. Time is a precious commodity y'all! |
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Go ahead and create a positivity thread.
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It is very simple,different taste,someone enjoy and someone analises everything. |
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But all you do is appear to bitch about others. Actually much like a certain other user. You say we're not creative - where is one creative or positive post or thread of you? You say we only discuss setlists, Jon's voice and the lack of changes. What else should we discuss in a tour thread if the band gives us not much more to talk about? No one says you can't enjoy the way they still sound. It's great that you do. But as much as you are entitled to like that, as much are others allowed to criticize something. That's a public board and that's how discussion forums work. Some like stuff, some don't. Many of us have been here for more than a decade and if we hadn't been positive about the band during that period, we wouldn't still be here. There wouldn't be ONE concert thread if we're not allowed to judge from Youtube videos. Many here are musicians and hear when someone is singing off key or playing something wrong. If others don't and enjoy it - absolutely fine. But as I said above - we're still allowed to point it out. I don't know if you were around here in 2010/11 - but back then the band got tons of praise for performances - BASED on Youtube videos! So it can't be Youtube's fault, like others try to point out sometime. |
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A close-up of In These Arms where you can really see how much Jon is laboring. I’ve noticed that when he skips a few words or a line, his reaction now is to smile broadly. For whatever it’s worth, I would still rather hear this song than not.
https://youtu.be/1sDaHbNdYVs Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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