Originally Posted by TheseDaysEra (Post 1239884)

Lemme put it this way: have you every tried to sing whilst you're in the middle of an awful cold, in between coughs ?

That's what he sounds like. Struggling to even articulate words.

Originally Posted by TheseDaysEra (Post 1239884)

in all honesty, I think Jon's vocal state is no longer about 'not hitting the high notes' anymore. Lemme put it this way: have you every tried to sing whilst you're in the middle of an awful cold, in between coughs ?

That's what he sounds like. Struggling to even articulate words. You could lower the songs' key as much as you want (and indeed they should) but that by itself wouldn't suffice. It's more than a range problem, I'm afraid.

It may or may not be reversible. I'm a musician, singer and sound engineer but I'm by no means a doctor or vocal coach so my guess is as good as everybody else's. He sang poorly between 2003-2006 then became much better from 2007-2011 again. 2013 wasn't brilliant but it was OK then we all know what happened from 2015 onwards.

If it's really shot then he'll have to re-learn how to do certain things. Not everyone is Bruce Springsteen. Jon wrote and recorded certain songs in a key that was clearly too much for his range. He COULD hit certain notes and sounded ace but it was clearly a stretch. Prayer was a stretch and he said so himself. If you listen to stuff like Hearts Breaking Even it's clearly he's singing in a register that's not his usual.

I think he sounded awesome during the Keep The Faith/These Days era but he couldn't hold it much longer. Crush didn't sound so extreme and I think the early 2000s was when his voice became to change and become very nasal.
He clearly abused his instrument and now it may be damaged beyond repairing. I'm sorry for him but that's just what it is. I wish he'd just do records and low-key gigs from on, to be honest.

Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1239891)

Great great post. And I totally agree on the articulation piece. That's been an issue of his for a long time now, even going back to the 2006-2011 era when his vocal range was decent to very good.

Thing is, on those tours when his range was there, like the summers of 2010 and 2011, it didn't really matter if the enunciation wasn't perfect. But when the range is gone, it compounds and becomes hard to listen to.

Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1239892)

His range is still there, he can still hit at least a Bb4 and a C5.

Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1239892)

His range is still there, he can still hit at least a Bb4 and a C5.

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1239874)

I noticed that in the livestream, JBJ playing Shanks guitar was in Sleep (Shanks started to play tambourine) and the jacket thing was in Bad Medicine...

Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1239899)

Where is this livestream you speak of. I wish to see it...

Originally Posted by TheseDaysEra (Post 1239884)

in all honesty, I think Jon's vocal state is no longer about 'not hitting the high notes' anymore. Lemme put it this way: have you every tried to sing whilst you're in the middle of an awful cold, in between coughs ?

That's what he sounds like. Struggling to even articulate words. You could lower the songs' key as much as you want (and indeed they should) but that by itself wouldn't suffice. It's more than a range problem, I'm afraid.

It may or may not be reversible. I'm a musician, singer and sound engineer but I'm by no means a doctor or vocal coach so my guess is as good as everybody else's. He sang poorly between 2003-2006 then became much better from 2007-2011 again. 2013 wasn't brilliant but it was OK then we all know what happened from 2015 onwards.

If it's really shot then he'll have to re-learn how to do certain things. Not everyone is Bruce Springsteen. Jon wrote and recorded certain songs in a key that was clearly too much for his range. He COULD hit certain notes and sounded ace but it was clearly a stretch. Prayer was a stretch and he said so himself. If you listen to stuff like Hearts Breaking Even it's clearly he's singing in a register that's not his usual.

I think he sounded awesome during the Keep The Faith/These Days era but he couldn't hold it much longer. Crush didn't sound so extreme and I think the early 2000s was when his voice became to change and become very nasal.
He clearly abused his instrument and now it may be damaged beyond repairing. I'm sorry for him but that's just what it is. I wish he'd just do records and low-key gigs from on, to be honest.

Originally Posted by Zacm95 (Post 1239915)

Anybody know what the audibles were for this show?

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1239902)

Agree.... I'm not saying that it didn't happen. But it's just very out of character for any musician to do something like that... it's like jumping in someone's car and driving it...

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Originally Posted by bobbye49 (Post 1239925)

My husband was wandering around before the concert and saw the setlist sitting on the soundboard. He took a picture, but it was blurry. There were three songs, but the only one we could make out was Blood on Blood. Maybe somebody else knows the other two.

Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1239959)

This is actually a good example for an audience vid where you don't notice Jon's flaws as much, because everyone is singing along (except in the verses, but that's the US, I guess) ;-)

April 22th 2018 John Bon Jovi concert, Charlotte NC - YouTube

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1239902)

I'm not saying that it didn't happen. But it's just very out of character for any musician to do something like that... it's like jumping in someone's car and driving it...

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240007)

for me it was not big deal, JBJ just played the outro that he always used to do in I'll Sleep When I'm Dead...

Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1240010)

I know it's no big deal but with the sets as static as they are, it's cool little moments like that that make searching for videos of the shows fun for me. :D

Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240012)

te entiendo, pero para yo comentarlo lo haría sólo en español, porque soy muy perezosa para escribir en inglés >_< por eso a veces no escribo nada...

Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1240018)

:-O Pero no seas perezosa! Debes escribir in both languages para que seas fluent in both of them. Y entonces puedes really call yourself una verdadera bilingual human.....

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1240022)

Come on guys with the Spanish... unless you're secretly flirting... Then it's okay

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240024)

NO!, I am faithful.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1240025)

To who? Jon?

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240026)

I'm not that crazy LIKE YOU >_< LOL

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1240028)

I'm faithful to Jon... I think everyone who still posts here is still faithful to Jon considering where we are musically and vocals in 2018... It's not really that crazy when you think about it...

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240021)

O_O >_< jajaja la verdad no sé si pueda llamarme humana en primer lugar >_< jajaj, pero de hecho hablar en los 2 idiomas combinados siempre me resultó más fácil; lo que nunca me da pereza es poner en palabras los números but that's my day job lol