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YOVANAfromPeru 04-27-2018 06:29 AM

19. Bad Medicine w/Shout

Captain_jovi 04-27-2018 06:30 AM

Shout?! That's kinda cool.

Zakatar 04-27-2018 06:31 AM

Huh. Extended Outro for BM, but I didn't hear Shout. For Some reason I think they might go over curfew this time, I just can't see them only playing Wanted and Prayer in the encore tonight.

YOVANAfromPeru 04-27-2018 06:32 AM

almost hihih

Zakatar 04-27-2018 06:33 AM

Ah come on with the stream, and right before the encore too! What if they Play Dry County or something? I don't want to miss that!

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20. Make a Memory

YOVANAfromPeru 04-27-2018 06:34 AM

https://www.facebook.com/kerenbsb/vi...L5y9vnH1KozIi0

Encore
20. Make a memory

YOVANAfromPeru 04-27-2018 06:40 AM

21. Wanted

Zakatar 04-27-2018 06:40 AM

Wanted now...I was really hoping for a 4 song encore tonight

Savvi 04-27-2018 06:45 AM

Jon sounds half decent on Wanted. Granted it's a poor quality stream, but from what I can hear Jon sounds good.

Prayer now.

YOVANAfromPeru 04-27-2018 06:46 AM

22. Prayer

DavetheGodofKeys 04-27-2018 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240220)

Hell yeah! I was right with my prediction.

Zakatar 04-27-2018 06:55 AM

Well I guess that's it. I was kinda hoping for IBTFY, Always, or possibly even Dry County to debut tonight since Chicago is one of Jon's favorite cities.

YOVANAfromPeru 04-27-2018 06:56 AM

Those ends in Make A Memory can be better than this, LAZY JON BO!

Thomas S 04-27-2018 07:10 AM

As far as I can tell from a quick skim through part of the stream they didn't actually do shout, Jon just did the "waaaaaiaiaiaiaiaaiaiat a minute" part.

Thierry 04-27-2018 07:17 AM

Really enjoyed this. Show was good. Of course it’s not the same band as 7 years back. Jon sounded really strong on some of the songs. Wanted and Prayer sounded like 2013. Raise your hands was decent. Bad medicine verses were poor. Upgraded my ticket to floor and gave the cheap ticket to my colleague he is blown away. Really cool.

I’d say I’ve enjoyed this. Not bad not bad.

Lucky0003 04-27-2018 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1240230)
Really enjoyed this. Show was good. Of course it’s not the same band as 7 years back. Jon sounded really strong on some of the songs. Wanted and Prayer sounded like 2013. Raise your hands was decent. Bad medicine verses were poor. Upgraded my ticket to floor and gave the cheap ticket to my colleague he is blown away. Really cool.



I’d say I’ve enjoyed this. Not bad not bad.



Glad you enjoyed it and was a good show. I’ll be at the next show in St Paul this Saturday, March 28th. Also saw them in St Paul one year ago tomorrow.


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Lucky0003 04-27-2018 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucky0003 (Post 1240231)
Glad you enjoyed it and was a good show. I’ll be at the next show in St Paul this Saturday, March 28th. Also saw them in St Paul one year ago tomorrow.


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My tomorrow is Friday, April 27th. Hard to believe they’re hitting St Paul again about one year to the day.


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BJFan99 04-27-2018 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1240185)
Man those Chicago shows in 2010 has to be the best American shows the band has done the last 10 years. There's something electrical about it, and Jon sounds so damn fine!

More like the best American shows the band has done in the last 20 years! :D

efpg0708 04-27-2018 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1240138)
Please, stop - I'm getting emotional... :(
By the way, what an incredible version of Always they did in Chicago '10:

https://youtu.be/iSj6V5u0p3M

Bed Of Roses was also outstanding, with Jon even going for the raspy "I've got nothing to prove..." like he did in Frankfurt '08:

https://youtu.be/bwcjw0VzYHg

And who could possibly forget about this performance of HAND?

https://youtu.be/EyIPoMxOq-0

Dry County started quite shaky, but ended up as a superb version:

https://youtu.be/_74qwyTAShs

Man, I loved these two Chicago shows ... It was my first time hearing Always and Dry County live. I don´t think he did a better version of Always after that.

Also, I simply loved their version of Turn the Page.

WhamATC 04-27-2018 08:55 AM

Very nice energy in BM.
It seems like the more his confidence improves or the longer the tour goes on the better songs he adds to the default/standard set like Runaway, RYH,etc.
I hope he plays Dry County atleast once.

symbeline 04-27-2018 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1240230)
Really enjoyed this. Show was good. Of course it’s not the same band as 7 years back. Jon sounded really strong on some of the songs. Wanted and Prayer sounded like 2013. Raise your hands was decent. Bad medicine verses were poor. Upgraded my ticket to floor and gave the cheap ticket to my colleague he is blown away. Really cool.

I’d say I’ve enjoyed this. Not bad not bad.

I can't imagine going to a BJ show again but I'm honestly happy to see it can still be enjoyable for old fans.

steel_horse75 04-27-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1240239)
I can't imagine going to a BJ show again but I'm honestly happy to see it can still be enjoyable for old fans.

Im with you (no pun)

The guy who put all the albums in order went last night and this is his twitter feed...

@thescreendoor
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There are more “hired guns” than original members. They’re working hard but the setlist doesn’t do them any favors

@thescreendoor
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The crowd was motionless on “Lost Highway”. One of their better post 2005 songs. “When We Were Us” now. #bonjovi

@thescreendoor
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“It’s My Life”; everyone puts their phones down and stands up again.

@thescreendoor
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“It’s My Life” plays like the mega hit it is. Now it’s “We Weren’t Born To Follow”. People back in their seats and on their phones.

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“We are going to go back in time” and the crowd puts their phones away and get back on their feet. “It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s another re-run of MOONLIGHTING...’Runaway’!!!!”

@thescreendoor
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Phil X played a hell of a guitar solo on “Runaway” and the other guy on guitar played a mini solo at the end.

Phil X > Other Guy

@thescreendoor
7h7 hours ago

Not going to lie, there’s a huge gap on that stage without @TheRealSambora , that being said Phil X is damn good and a lot of fun to watch. If Richie ever came back I’d like to see Phil take on some mean rhythm guitar. @BonJovi #KeepTheFaith #BonJovi

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How the hell did the band not play “Keep the Faith” at the @rockhall induction?

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The ticket gods love me, but the setlist gods don’t. “Amen” is on right now.

@thescreendoor
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“Bed of Roses” was solid elevated by JBJ in the crowd. “Lay Your Hands On Me” was ok, a song that desperately needed Richie.

@thescreendoor
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I didn’t need to hear “God Bless This Mess”. God love him for trying but it doesn’t work. “Sleep” and “Bad Medicine” were solid, Phil X again flexing his muscles, but the Sambora harmonies left a gaping hole.

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I adore “Make a Memory” but it’s not a great encore song. “Wanted” without Richie’s harmonies is blasphemous. In the end, most people formed over $100 to hear “Livin’ on a Prayer” which has the place on their feet.

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The only post 2000 song that could match the 1984-92 material was “It’s My Life”, even “Who Says...” dragged a bit. I was rather shocked at how tepid “Lost Highway” was.

danfan 04-27-2018 03:12 PM

I actually like the setlist. Just drop WGIGO and Amen. Switch BOR up with Always (painful as it would be). And I actually love GBTM, so that's cool with me in the set.

steel_horse75 04-27-2018 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1240242)
I actually like the setlist. Just drop WGIGO and Amen. Switch BOR up with Always (painful as it would be). And I actually love GBTM, so that's cool with me in the set.

04. Whole Lot of Leaving - kills any energy
05. Lost Highway - Same as WLOL
06. WWWU (how many people know what this song is or about?)

Thats a really piss poOr section of the show after only 4 songs.
No idea why JBJ rates the LH songs so much.

WhamATC 04-27-2018 04:20 PM

They definitely should keep GBTM.
They shouldn't always play Always instead of BOR, Danfan.
Preferrably have a rotation between Always and BOR, some nights Always and some BOR, mostly BOR.

I think it would work even better if they sometimes played BOR and Always in in one setlist.

bonjovi90 04-27-2018 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhamATC (Post 1240244)
They definitely should keep GBTM.
They shouldn't always play Always instead of BOR, Danfan.
Preferrably have a rotation between Always and BOR, some nights Always and some BOR, mostly BOR.

I think it would work even better if they sometimes played BOR and Always in in one setlist.

At least rotate the big ballads and the Lost Highway songs in the beginning. Drop Amen and WGIGO, add one semi-rare cut to the encore and the set is ok.

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Josie2013 04-27-2018 05:33 PM

I was at the show last night and I was sorely disappointed. Jon’s voice, in my opinion, sounded really bad. It seemed that most of the time he wasn’t even truly singing, it was somewhere between singing and talking. However he did sound pretty decent on a Amen and BOR and he hit those notes with the Shout intro very well so the ability is there. I read a review of previous show and the reviewer mentioned that his biggest gripe was that the tech side of the performance was over produced. I saw what he meant last night if indeed he was referring to the instruments. To me it just sounded too heavy for lack of a better word. While Phil X is a talented guitarist, I think he was overdoing it. Maybe they are trying to make up for Jon’s voice. It just seemed out of place for a Bon Jovi performance. Funny enough, I saw him with the band in 2013 and I enjoyed the show much more at that time. Perhaps now that he is a “permanent“ member he is letting loose?
They also performed way too many of what I called their “easy listening“ songs for my taste. I also felt like Jon was really just putting on a show. He has always been a great front man but he has also really seemed to enjoy himself. Last night it all really did seem to be an act. And way too much with the jazz hands. Lastly Richie’s absence was definitely felt. His backing vocals and guitar really made the songs what they were. It’s not the same without him. It’s funny that people are mentioning the 2010 Chicago shows on here. I was at one of those shows and it was awesome. I was thinking about it last night. Watching those videos makes me a bit sad to see what the band has become. I’m not sure if I will be in a rush to get tickets to the next show. Maybe if Richie ever comes back but that doesn’t seem to be happening right now. It’s disappointing because I think the possibility for Jon to still write really good songs and work on his vocals is there but to be honest, I think his priority is on churning out mediocre albums and making a fortune on tours.


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TheOriginalJez 04-27-2018 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhamATC (Post 1240244)
They definitely should keep GBTM.

Having only watched videos of it live my opinion isn't all that valid, but I really can't stand it from what I've heard. It's slow, drags and shanks' solos are boring as hell.

bousey10 04-27-2018 07:20 PM

I was at the show last night and thought it was really good . I’m on holiday from Ireland so havnt seen them since 2013 in Slane and this was far better . Jon had loads more energy on stage then last years tour . The hall of fame seems to have given him a huge boost .

Walleris 04-27-2018 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bousey10 (Post 1240250)
I was at the show last night and thought it was really good . I’m on holiday from Ireland so havnt seen them since 2013 in Slane and this was far better . Jon had loads more energy on stage then last years tour . The hall of fame seems to have given him a huge boost .

That's quite surprising to me. I wasn't there, but I remember Slane being regarded as one of the good shows by 2013 standards. And the 2013 standards far exceed 2018 standards, obviousy.

WhamATC 04-27-2018 08:18 PM

Walleris, your standards are interesting to know about. What do you think about Dortmund 1993 or London 1995? Not vocally but the performances and crowd, etc.

bonjovi90 04-27-2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WhamATC (Post 1240253)
Walleris, your standards are interesting to know about. What do you think about Dortmund 1993 or London 1995? Not vocally but the performances and crowd, etc.

Dortmund 1993 - one of the top 5 shows from April 1993.
London 1995 - Night 2 was outstanding, night 3 dragged on the 2nd half due to his voice going out, bit still very good. However, there were some much better concerts in 1995 in terms of sheer performance.
Walleris, over to you :D

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bounce442 04-28-2018 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1240138)
Please, stop - I'm getting emotional... :(
By the way, what an incredible version of Always they did in Chicago '10:

https://youtu.be/iSj6V5u0p3M

Bed Of Roses was also outstanding, with Jon even going for the raspy "I've got nothing to prove..." like he did in Frankfurt '08:

https://youtu.be/bwcjw0VzYHg

And who could possibly forget about this performance of HAND?

https://youtu.be/EyIPoMxOq-0

Dry County started quite shaky, but ended up as a superb version:

https://youtu.be/_74qwyTAShs

Dammit I was at the 2010 Chi shows and I don't remember seeing the best performance of HAND ever... but sure enough. Those shows were magic. I had to fly across country to get Always and Dry County for the first time. totally worth it.

YOVANAfromPeru 04-28-2018 12:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josie2013 (Post 1240246)
While Phil X is a talented guitarist, I think he was overdoing it. Maybe they are trying to make up for Jon’s voice. It just seemed out of place for a Bon Jovi performance. Funny enough, I saw him with the band in 2013 and I enjoyed the show much more at that time. Perhaps now that he is a “permanent“ member he is letting loose?

I understand your post, but what exactly do you mean with this? his guitar work or moves/hair/etc.?

Josie2013 04-28-2018 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240268)
I understand your post, but what exactly do you mean with this? his guitar work or moves/hair/etc.?



Both. The head banging was so out of place and the guitar was too heavy for the songs I guess. When they did the intros to BOR and Wanted I was thinking “he’s doing it wrong”. In those cases it wasn’t necessary too much guitar but he just wasn’t playing it right. And by right I mean the way Richie did it. [emoji6]


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YOVANAfromPeru 04-28-2018 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Josie2013 (Post 1240270)
Both.

Both. Exaclty what I thought.

Javier 04-28-2018 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josie2013 (Post 1240270)
Both. The head banging was so out of place and the guitar was too heavy for the songs I guess. When they did the intros to BOR and Wanted I was thinking “he’s doing it wrong”. In those cases it wasn’t necessary too much guitar but he just wasn’t playing it right. And by right I mean the way Richie did it. [emoji6]


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While I understand the preference, this just doesn't make sense to me. Richie used more gain than Phil ever has, hence the songs sounded heavier with Richie playing them. What I really miss about Richie (apart from the vocal harmonies) is the little things he did when he played the songs, like in Bad Name, when he played the chorus and he picked the strings as he strummed the chords, that added so much texture to the song. He did that on a lot of songs and I guess I just got used to hearing them that way that I almost humm his parts whenever I hear them lol ....

hackster73 04-28-2018 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1240268)
I understand your post, but what exactly do you mean with this? his guitar work or moves/hair/etc.?

agree with the original post

Phil isn't the perfect fit/replacement

Richie adds that blues influence through his playing and harmonies also. It is very organic hearing Bon Jovi with Richie. Phil is a completely different player so ultimately this changes the dynamic and something is lost.

hackster73 04-28-2018 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1240272)
While I understand the preference, this just doesn't make sense to me. Richie used more gain than Phil ever has, hence the songs sounded heavier with Richie playing them. What I really miss about Richie (apart from the vocal harmonies) is the little things he did when he played the songs, like in Bad Name, when he played the chorus and he picked the strings as he strummed the chords, that added so much texture to the song. He did that on a lot of songs and I guess I just got used to hearing them that way that I almost humm his parts whenever I hear them lol ....

spot on. its in the detail and DNA of Richies playing that is missing. Phil is a brilliant guitarist but he just doesn't have the soul that Richie provides to those songs.

nikos greece 04-28-2018 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackster73 (Post 1240276)
spot on. its in the detail and DNA of Richies playing that is missing. Phil is a brilliant guitarist but he just doesn't have the soul that Richie provides to those songs.

totally agree...Richie's guitar playing had some special qualities that add sth special to most songs...bed of roses...the lick before the last chorus...phil hasnt once nailed it...the make a memory solo...richies approach is far better imo...these days...richies chops make the song better...
Richie nowdays maybe isnt that great technically but his playing has a mojo, bluesy laid back timing and phrasing that made it unique and special.
its unfair for phil but Richie is part of Bj phil x even if he does a good job is more a cover band member technically skilled but missing certain qualities to take the songs higher. it looks like a replacement and not a new chapter


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