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Dave88 05-03-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1240586)
If that's the case, seeing I Am and Love Me Back To Life on there is quite interesting. Now THAT would be a setlist shakeup :p

I think most of the songs have been on that sheet for ages, like a list inherited from the previous tours with just the new songs added... so it's not an indication of what they have rehearsed recently.

There's stuff they would never ever play in this tour, like Something to Believe In, Hardest Part, Tokyo Road just to name a few...

Anyway, interesting to see some "obscure" never played live songs like Into the Echo and Learn to Love in there.

symbeline 05-03-2018 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1240660)
ALSO:

Everyone LOVES this setlist. Why? Because we are now down to ONE THINFS song on the set. I don't even think the Circle Tour ever got that low. Knowing my luck, Jon will treat me with half the album at MSG. But judging by the trend that's happening now, probably not. :D :D

I hope he does. And then points at you and smirks. Or winks. Or blows you a kiss.

symbeline 05-03-2018 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1240636)
I guess it comes down to what do we want as fans. Do we want an attempt at a rarity that is difficult to sing and also shows rust from not being performed often or do we want a whole bunch of less difficult vocal songs (meaning we pretty much kill all rarities from the 90s and before) that no one cares about and that we've probably heard a lot since the Lost Highway tour. I vote for the former personally but y'all know I've said that before.

That's exactly my sentiment. I honestly cringe when I hear any difficult songs, but it's not in a "OMG what a horrible performance, my ears are bleeding" way but more like shaking my head in disbelief.

But rock and roll shouldn't be perfection or a high-tech light and special effects show. It's about the songs and the attitude. Both have been lacking so I'm all for these kind of setlists. For a casual BJ fan this is still pretty good, I've seen way worse singers and bands. And much better singers deliver terrible shows.

Zacm95 05-03-2018 07:51 PM

Dry County might be the only song they have done this year that I haven’t heard live before. It was on the setlist for my show in Raleigh in 2011 and they skipped it, I was pretty upset. So hope to hear it tonight, makes you wonder what else they could pull out...Hey God, Blaze? Pretty excited for Philly tonight

BJFan99 05-03-2018 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1240664)
That's exactly my sentiment. I honestly cringe when I hear any difficult songs, but it's not in a "OMG what a horrible performance, my ears are bleeding" way but more like shaking my head in disbelief.

But rock and roll shouldn't be perfection or a high-tech light and special effects show. It's about the songs and the attitude. Both have been lacking so I'm all for these kind of setlists. For a casual BJ fan this is still pretty good, I've seen way worse singers and bands. And much better singers deliver terrible shows.

And it’s not like Jon sounds as bad as, for example, Paul Stanley, whose voice basically cracks during every line he sings nowadays. Meat Loaf I won’t even start discussing.

Kathleen 05-03-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1240636)
I guess it comes down to what do we want as fans. Do we want an attempt at a rarity that is difficult to sing and also shows rust from not being performed often or do we want a whole bunch of less difficult vocal songs (meaning we pretty much kill all rarities from the 90s and before) that no one cares about and that we've probably heard a lot since the Lost Highway tour. I vote for the former personally but y'all know I've said that before.

I couldn't agree with you more Deb. I complain enough about vanilla setlists. I would much rather hear rarities that might not be note perfect.

bjcrazycpa 05-03-2018 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by symbeline (Post 1240664)
That's exactly my sentiment. I honestly cringe when I hear any difficult songs, but it's not in a "OMG what a horrible performance, my ears are bleeding" way but more like shaking my head in disbelief.

But rock and roll shouldn't be perfection or a high-tech light and special effects show. It's about the songs and the attitude. Both have been lacking so I'm all for these kind of setlists. For a casual BJ fan this is still pretty good, I've seen way worse singers and bands. And much better singers deliver terrible shows.

Very well stated and how I feel.

efpg0708 05-03-2018 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1240667)
I couldn't agree with you more Deb. I complain enough about vanilla setlists. I would much rather hear rarities that might not be note perfect.

It doesn’t have to be note perfect. Even in 2008-2011 it wasn’t. But this DC performance is atrocious. He can’t hit the notes and tries to stretch them somehow, thus being completely off key. And he pretty much shouted the last chorus in order to get through with it. So in this case, as much as I do want them to shake up the sets, i’d rather not get this song live,as there are other rarities he could try to sing without making my ears bleed.

I’m not being negative just for the purpose of being negative. If you search for my reviews, you’ll see bad ones and good ones from 2010-2013 and I even stated that RIR2017 was fantastic, and it really was. The energy was surreal. But I’m sorry, it just amazes me how can one consider this a good performance.

nikos greece 05-03-2018 10:36 PM

kudos to jon for trying, it wasnt good but there is still hope...the band sounded tight.the comment about phil x rushing some notes was spot on..

nice setlist for a samller market.
i hope jon manages to get better and be able to do these songs justice.

Kathleen 05-04-2018 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by efpg0708 (Post 1240671)
It doesn’t have to be note perfect. Even in 2008-2011 it wasn’t. But this DC performance is atrocious. He can’t hit the notes and tries to stretch them somehow, thus being completely off key. And he pretty much shouted the last chorus in order to get through with it. So in this case, as much as I do want them to shake up the sets, i’d rather not get this song live,as there are other rarities he could try to sing without making my ears bleed.

I’m not being negative just for the purpose of being negative. If you search for my reviews, you’ll see bad ones and good ones from 2010-2013 and I even stated that RIR2017 was fantastic, and it really was. The energy was surreal. But I’m sorry, it just amazes me how can one consider this a good performance.

I understand - and I hear you. I wasn't saying it was good but I would rather have him try than not try I guess.

bonjovi90 05-04-2018 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1240676)
I understand - and I hear you. I wasn't saying it was good but I would rather have him try than not try I guess.

Agreed. I was happy when they gave These Days a shot at the Newark shows and now this one - if they did it more often, Jon might sound better. He usually never sounds too good on a first performance (even in his good-vocal-days).
What honestly baffles me is how people think it was sung well. It was more or less him shouting his way up to some notes and then stretching them for too long. Not much to do with singing.
If he gave it some more shots, it might get better.

Javier 05-04-2018 01:53 AM

That Dry County performance makes me wonder if when they rehearse do they perform the songs with Jon singing or do they just focus on getting the music tight?! Because the band sounded awesome! But Jon, well, patchy is definitely a good description of his vocals on it...

That said, I LOVED that performance of ITA!! :D

TheseDaysEra 05-04-2018 02:50 AM

ok, that was bloody terrible, as expected (talking about Dry County, the only song I bothered seeing/listening to). I ****ing HATE Phil X's solo. He sounds like he's playing a Bon Jovi cover band, in which case it wouldn't be so terrible. Then again, maybe he is. Kinda makes me nostalgic of Bobby's solos and I mean that.

That being said, the thing that puzzles me the most is not Jon not hitting those notes or sound out of breath. He sounds like a total different person altogether. What the hell ?

CLEYoungGun21 05-04-2018 03:59 AM

Just watched the DC performance... the first verse and chorus were definitely very rough, but once Jon realized he needs to really work to hit all the notes, the second verse and chorus, and last chorus sounded much better (compared to the firsts), but still not amazing. It was absolutely a shout-fest, so there’s that.
I’ve never liked how Phil has played the solo... oh well


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jovifan93 05-04-2018 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeeper (Post 1240637)
I’ve heard Jon sound worse on DC.

Also, Phil has an annoying habit of rushing certain solo’s, and in particular, bends.




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Yeah, most noticeable in the LOAP solo. Annoys me every time, if only slightly..

danfan 05-04-2018 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1240660)
ALSO:

Everyone LOVES this setlist. Why? Because we are now down to ONE THINFS song on the set. I don't even think the Circle Tour ever got that low. Knowing my luck, Jon will treat me with half the album at MSG. But judging by the trend that's happening now, probably not. :D :D

I don't. I've seen the band too many times to not want to hear new songs.

Bounce7800 05-04-2018 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by danfan (Post 1240738)
I don't. I've seen the band too many times to not want to hear new songs.

Yep, ditto. I want to hear the THINFS songs on the THINFS tour, they can all disappear from the next tour if they want, but at least give them a run out on the album's tour. Give them a chance to work live - a lot of the casuals are of the "new stuff = piss break" opinion, but they've been like that for years anyway and its not just a Jovi thing.

I've said before, we can have a good setlist with a few new songs in, its the deadwood from elsewhere that needs to go. Look at those 5 audibles from last night in Philly, get rid of WLOL and LH as well as follow, stick 3 of them in instead, replace Amen with Labor Of Love / Scars / Come on up.. for the slow song in the crowd which then also ticks a new song box (and lets face it no-one goes to a BJ show wanting to hear Amen) and chuck an uptempo new song in as well, then you have:

This House is Not For Sale
Raise Your Hands
You Give Love a Bad Name
Blood On Blood
Roller Coaster
Born to Be My Baby
Who Says You Can't Go Home
It's My Life
Always
We Got it Going on
Keep the Faith
Labor Of Love / Scars On This Guitar
Bed of Roses
Lay Your Hands on Me
Runaway
Born Again Tomorrow / New Years Day
I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
Bad Medicine

ENCORE
I'll Be There For You
These Days / Blood On Blood
Wanted Dead or Alive
Livin' on a Prayer

4 new songs and a decent setlist around it, all with songs played or on the audibles list this tour, with the new songs spread out to get the crowd back into it if they do lull. Then you can have anything else from THNIFS as audibles as well as stuff like Crash, HAND, IDFU, DC, Follow, LH etc..

I'm glad they are finally getting there with the setlists, just a bit of a shame to take 2 steps forward and one step back with Philly's.


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