Sleep as an opener actually really seems cool. I also really dig having the house lights on until the solo kicks in.

Last night - best opening imo - loved this. I couldn't tell where Jon was though, had to make some steps to get back on stage...

Any one seen the video or is there one where Jon take's Phil's X and puts it on his shirt. He's wearing it in KTF. Seems like was just in a good, playful mood this last night. He's back in Jersey today working at the Soul Kitchen.... Already said was taking the summer off so don't anticipate any other shows til late in the year or maybe even next year. Hope those of you in Europe get the next round and I think it will be one.

It was like the last day of school for Jon and getting ready for summer vacation, that is probably why he was in a playful mood.

It looks like everyone there was having a good time and it's fun how let-loose the beginning was. I would've hoped for them to do some more shake-ups from the usual routine during the tour, but it was a nice way to end that leg!

While I'd say that Jon sings below an average singer at the local bar, I agree with you on that one. There have been some rather cringeworthy performances again this tour, but some decent ones as well. I recently went back to a HAND performance from 2015 (I think it was Macau) and it was even miles worse than what he delivered that year. So yeah, he's made some slow steps forward.


Only of the 2017/18 shows combined (and the last 3 haven't been added yet):
https://bjtours.jimdo.com/let-s-go-o...our-statistic/

Another good opener could be... In and out of love (Okay! that's a little bit too much to ask)

Imagine opening with KTF. I wonder how that would be. I think pretty good.

Like this maybe:
House lights go off.
After 20 - 30 seconds the guitar for KTF starts
Then the bass intro comes
KTF starts and Jon enters stage in happy way.

Or just skip the guitar intro and go instantly to bass intro.

I also wonder what Richie thinks of WWWU.
In terms of the sound of it. How the song sounds like, etc.
Not in terms of vocals.
I can imagine him liking it.

So they played 50 different songs, four being covers?

Kinda like KTF Chile '93???
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me too!! -_-

I think this has been one of the poorest tours thats been. I include 2013 in that

Yep i agree .... at least 2013 had a cool stage set up . The only exciting thing for me this tour was the very first show ( only to see new production ect ) and it was lame , and the very last show because they opened with a different song and that was sorta lame .... could’ve at least done Lay your hands with drum solo ... anyway , boring tour . Glad they didnt come to Australia this time .

48 Bon Jovi Songs
1 full cover
3 medley covers

SONG TALLY
(excluding promo shows)

63 Bad Medicine
63 Born To Be My Baby
63 It's My Life
63 Livin' on a Prayer
63 Lost Highway
63 This House is Not for Sale
63 You Give Love a Bad Name

62 Lay Your Hands on Me
62 Wanted Dead or Alive

61 Keep the Faith

60 I'll Sleep When I'm Dead

59 Who Says You Can't Go Home

58 We Weren't Born To Follow

55 We Got It Goin' On

50 God Bless This Mess
50 Whole Lot of Leaving

47 Knockout

43 Have a Nice Day

40 Roller Coaster

33 Bed of Roses (2x Cama De Rosas)

31 We Don't Run

26 Scars on This Guitar

27 Amen

26 Raise Your Hands

23 Runaway

17 The Devil's In the Temple

16 Blood on Blood

15 Because We Can

14 Someday I'll Be Saturday Night (4x acoustic)

13 New Years Day

11 When We Were Us

10 In These Arms

9 Captain Crash & the Beauty Queen from Mars
9 (You Want To) Make a Memory

8 Work for the Working Man

7 These Days

5 I'll Be There For You

4 Always

3 I'd Die for You

2 I Love this Town
2 Living With the Ghost
2 Reunion

1 Dry County
1 The Fighter (acoustic snippet)
1 I Got the Girl
1 Johnny B Goode (Chuck Berry cover)
1 Labor of Love
1 When We Were Beautiful


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Medley Covers

2 Sympathy for the Devil

1 Jumpin Jack Flash
1 Old Time Rock N Roll

IBTFY is there twice?

Imagine if it was 1993 or 95 right now. I wonder what people would complain about here after a concert? Setlist could be a thing. I can not think of much.

the stage was like this 'cause "this is back to the old rock 'n' roll generation" but I have an opinion about this too...

I always said I prefer a concert with 13 songs with that "120%" as you call it... >_< jajaj

hmmm... maybe in that case I would prefer 150% (just because imo that "100%" is not the real 100% in the first place)

Quite a lot actually... the bar was set higher during those times so any dip on that scale who warrant a complaint.

It might just be a different type of complaining though. We'll maybe.

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I’d say it’s the worst ever. Jon’s voice has never been so bad, and the setlists are very boring. People are praising Montreal’s set but this set would be considered plain vanilla just a few years back ...

Go back and look at set lists from that era.
Because most of the songs from 83-95 are of a band in their prime (especially 86-95) the set lists are excellent.
Since the albums have become mediocre the set lists have become duluted with poor songs like WSYCGH, CCATBQFM, WGIGO, Amen, BWC, etc etc.

Look at MK Bowl 93...

I Believe

Wild in the Streets

You Give Love a Bad Name

Born to Be My Baby

Can't Help Falling in Love
(Elvis Presley cover)

Bed of Roses

Keep the Faith

I'd Die for You

Dry County

Lay Your Hands on Me

I'll Sleep When I'm Dead

Bad Medicine

Shout
(The Isley Brothers cover)

Help!
(The Beatles cover)

Wanted Dead or Alive

In These Arms

Livin' on a Prayer

Blood on Blood

I'll Be There for You

With a Little Help From My Friends

A set list worthy of the bands talents. Less is more.

Disagree with less is more. It's just clearing out the deadwood, this band has many many good songs that they could easily do killer 21-25 song setlists with plenty of changes if they wanted to. A shorter setlist wouldn't make things better, as you'd just have a 15 song setlist with WLOL and Lost Highway still there!

At this precise time it doesnt matter if the set is 10 or 25 songs. Its just not the same anymore.

The WLOL/Lost Highway combo should be replaced by the Dry County/ These Days combo - for every single show with no exception. To this day I cannot for the life of me understand why Dry County and These Days are not setlist staples - they are easily among Bon Jovi's top 5 greatest songs while WLOL/Lost Highway were NEVER in the same league. I didn't mind them when the Lost Highway record came out in 2007 but I have since grown to DETEST them just because Jon keeps putting them on each new tour. I'm sick and tired of seeing them on the set when other real gems are left dead and buried deep in the back catalogue. That being said, I'll remember the THINFS tour as the tour with the WORST EVER setlists as a whole.

If you really "for the life" understand this, you must be new to the concept of a setlist being constructed taking into account songs' demands on vocal chords.

Jon has an approximate 'x' number of songs per night that he pushes himself (yes, I'm talking about the 'unsustainable 120% effort'). He has done it for ages, even when his voice was still decent, it's just that that 'x' number has gone down with the years.

If I was a singer I wouldn't sing Dry County or Hey God every night. Unsafe for most voices at the chorus, etc.
I would only have them in rotation with other songs.
Jon's voice has never really been suitable for HG for example.

Exactly. Besides the fact that he always switches between fan favourites and the ones he likes to play (which unfortunately rarely to never seem to be the same), it's also about how taxing they are on the vocals.

Even as far back as 1993, Dry County and In These Arms got played less and less once Jon's voice started to suffer from strain around the summertime.

They should sometimes play some Circle tracks.
I haven't really checked how difficult Bullet is but they could play Bullet if easy enough.

By the way the beginning of Happy Now really reminds me of I Believe.

I don't think the problem is really the songs they play in of itself, it's the variety of songs. Whilst I enjoyed this tour, it had the same skeleton setlist every night. Songs like LH, WGIGO etc could be nice to hear if they weren't overplayed. Songs like Superman Tonight, Diamond Ring or even Labor of Love could make nice surprises, or even just be in rotation. Just my thoughts on the matter, given the restrictions placed on the band my Jon's limited singing these days, although he was better than last year both vocally and as a front man.

It's not even about rarities for me. There's just not that many 'good' songs played nowadays.

Pretty much this. It seems that Jon dropped THINFS songs slowly throughout the tour, likely recognizing that a lot people weren't really going to hear them. But it's still baffling that songs like Whole Lot of Leavin, Lost Highway, We Weren't Born to Follow, and Because We Can are still lingering around.

It wasn't so bad during the Lost Highway/Circle tours, for example, since the "standard vanilla" setlist back then still would've included I'll Be There For You, Blood on Blood, Someday I'll Saturday Night, etc. That's just simply not the case anymore.

Exactly. 'Lost Highway' is actually one of my favourite Bon Jovi songs, but there are so many songs which have been played pretty much every night for the past three/four tours which just don't need to be there.

Simple little changes in the past ten years could have done wonders even today making things slightly less stale. 'One Wild Night' for 'Raise Your Hands' was a common one.
What happened to 'Just Older'?
Is 'Bounce' a Bon Jovi album?
'Novocaine', 'I'm With You', 'Undivided', 'Living In Sin', 'Blaze of Glory' etc. etc.
I'm sure Jon's voice wouldn't handle some of them but he's tried with the likes of 'These Days' etc.

I think this has direct relation with the number of songs in a setlist (easy songs) but I still think there exists better BJ easy songs... or those are JBJ favorites? Come on Johnny, you can’t have that bad taste! -_- or do you think those were big hits? >_<

He's called Roller Coaster a "hit single" during 2017 concerts - so maybe yes :mrgreen:

Well, WLOL is a great song, just maybe not for a concert, though I always like to hear it. LH Jon thinks very highly of, WWBTF was a hit (?) and is great song for me, and BWC is the only one I could most certainly do without, although it's catchy and was a single...

And yes, he refers to RC as a hit single, because it charted in the top 100 on Billboard AC (?). A little twisted reality, but not too far from the truth ;-)

I really really like WLOL as well, it's a great tune in my book. It just doesn't work in a combo with Lost Highway as the 4th and 5th song, because it kills off any energy that had been built previously. If they were seperated and one would appear now and then in rotation with others, I'd be all for it.
But that combination already didn't work in 2010 when it was done a lot and since Jon has been talking so much about trying to avoid that "dull moment" in the set (I think it was in the WWWB documentary), I'm still baffled as to why he doesn't change the structure in the beginning.
Looking back, the Bounce and HAND tours had 6 or 7 rather fast-paced songs fired in at the beginning to get the crowd going. That works because after these you are more receptive for something slower to catch your breath again. That's been the flaw in Dusseldorf 2011 as well (even though LH and WLOL weren't even in the set). The placement of slower or unknown mid-tempo songs prevented the show from taking off at any point of the night.

Yeah, I think WLOL would work great later in the set, or maybe to open the (1st) encore or something like that. Same for WWWB. Great song, but please not in the first 5-10 songs. Get 'em pumped up and then time to relax, as you said.

Setlists will always cause an argument within fans.

Whats a rare gem to you is a piss break for a casual.

Def Leppards Joe Elliot was on Eddie Trunk this week - they are touring US soon and he said lets be honest - no one wants to hear me say - and tonight theres 5 new songs and 2 b-sides in the set list.
The few hundred diehards would love the b-sides and 90% of the crowd dont want new songs.
He added that you have to remember - the first 5 rows are people who have bought everything youve ever done on every format but the further back you go those people just want the 1 to 3 songs they have loved all their life.

He finished with the Rolling Stones play all their hits live and after the show or between shows (used to) play fan club gigs in small venues doing nothing but rare tracks and b-sides for die hards.

You have to remember the casuals are who sell out shows nowadays - those few 1000 who just want Livin on a Prayer or faith. They dont want Dry County or Wild is the wind - they have never heard it - maybe once.

The casuals are likely to see you every tour even though they only own 1 album - its them the band will make their money out of.

So I get the "shit" set lists as they arent aimed at the die hard but I do think theres better songs to be played than stuff like Amen etc.

You summed it up perfectly. In North America those songs bring the vibe down and people take their breaks. It may be different in Europe, Japan etc. But if they're going to insist on playing the same non singles from tour to tour and not swap them out with other album cuts I have no desire to be there.

Exactly! Twisted JohnBo. Like with the number one album twice, 30 sold out shows, etc.
We all know the real truth... and I think JBJ knows it too (I mean he can’t be that stupid! >_< lol). For me it’s a marketing strategy... saying only good things of your brand and even don’t playing rarities so diehards come back next concert. Of course I could be totally wrong! I just sometimes think like a capitalist >_<

Btw I love this conversations, it’s like “trying to solve life’s mysteries”