I must say the discussion here is as entertaining as the feedback I've read on twt so far. Almost nobody's buying it and the album isn't even out yet :D Hope Jon's spies tell him that or else it will flop right after the release.

BTW. I like it better with a slash 20/20. 'Seeing things clearly' can have multiple meanings, while 2020 and it's blatant connection to the elections is just ridiculous. Well, if you pair it up with Jon's latest pics at the Clintons' as the cover, then you get the full picture :lol!:

It’s “Bon Jovi 20/20”
you know my English sucks, but he used his hand to say /
as per him it’s going to be different but definitely not another SWW

What was the new song like that he apparently played?

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Unless you know for a fact, there's nothing definite at this point I think.

He literally said it was about the election. Neither will be the album title so it doesn’t matter anyways. He obviously was joking.


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And Yov is saying he made a slash with his hands between 20 and 20. I dont think there's much wrong with assuming its the title until he says otherwise.

Joking or not it's at least nice people are posting again.

I hope Phil will get to play all the solos. Will he be writing with Shanks and Falcon? That's the big question.

I saw the title somewhere but ive forgotten it.

Jon speaking about the new album title:


His hand gesture doesn't look like a slash. I think it's gonna be Bon Jovi: 2020.

At 1:33 he says "clear vision" and wryness, alluding to 20/20 hindsight. Still way early to know for sure but there's a good chance it's either of em.

That the album is called 2020 is not so bad. If it's finally called 20/20, then I don't understand its meaning.

What scares me is that his source of inspiration remains a newspaper.

Leaving aside possible political connotations, Bon Jovi 2020 sounds futuristic, or rather, as a blow to the table for many who did not believe in Bon Jovi, as they are still in force in 2020.


Another thing, if the album is finally called 20/20, I hope we have 20 tracks. A double album would be great.

That video is from show1, I was talking about show2 (his hand gesture was a little more inclined...... lol)

“I think I’m very happy with it,” he said.

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/bon-jovi-politics-2020/


He thinks? If he's not sold, I don't know how we can be.

"I couldn't do any worse"

I can just imagine him listening back to the album and thinking that exact same thing :p
I kid I kid!! I actually still listen to THINFS and I'm hoping for a more aggressive and varied approach but in that same introspective vein....

I think the song 'Walls' probably gives us a good idea what the new album will sound like. Probably a bit Imagine Dragons-esque. Atmospheric...some big choruses? We'll see.

I'd be more than ok with this

20/20: The New Album
 

That’s where the inspiration for WAN came from and look how that turned out and was received by everyone.
I’d never seen so many 1/10 reviews.
I remember the classic rock review saying something like “ Jons forgotten how to rock n roll”

Bon Jovi 20/20 will be a cross between wan and THINFS in my opinion.

Edit...found the review........


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I won't. It's nice for one song, but I want Bon Jovi to sound like Bon Jovi, Not Imagine Dragons, or The Killers, or whatever current fad Jon and Shanks decide they want to try and emulate.

Which part of it's elections year so why not people didn't get and still question the album name? It's obviously 2020.

Anyway, I bet it's gonna be a Springsteenish album. Else it could be something like Living with the Ghost, I mean the videoclip is like a short documentary for Camden and incidents, shootings etc. Walls also seems to be inspired by events of today.

Maybe it will be another The Circle who knows. But the new album sounding like Walls would make sense

Which part of "Now I have clear vision..." did you not get? :p:)

As in 20/20...

As bonjovi90 I think the title can be interpreted in different meanings... lol
Javier, when he said about “worse” maybe he meant he can’t be worse than Donald Trump... jijijij
And I agree with Thinny, I don’t want Walls sound either, with lyrics I’m okay for example Bullet but give some more rock songs!!!!
We’ll see...
btw Does anybody read Supersonic posts? I mean me I like to read not too long and easy posts... just saying.
PS I still thinking in Rdkopper. Damn! >_<

Jon is a notorious stretcher of the truth, so take whatever he says with a generous pinch of salt.

That said, I’m intrigued that he says it’s very different. Phil also said he prefers this forthcoming album to THINFS.

I’m all for a change in direction. Doesn’t bother me in the slightest were he draws his inspiration as long as the songs are good.

Also not arsed what the album is called.


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I never thought This House was a bad album objectively, it just isn't what I want so I dropped it failry quickly. This is going to be the same musically, but with the lyrical content of WAN or The Circle.

I think we are at the stage of acceptance where the odds are a Bon Jovi album will not be what most of us want. That said, Jon has seemingly decided he will do what he wants and has enough blind followers to make a living from it.

Unfortunately, what he wants is based on his notion that he has something important to say. As a businessman and maybe as a politician, perhaps he does, but as a songwriter he contributes nothing to social critique, debate, or understanding. As such, for maximum success he should ditch those themes.

Of course, he doesn't need maximum success these days, so is content to churn out the music he has been and still receiving enough fawning from some fans and enough support from casuals to justify it.

Good point. The mans worth millions and has earned it but when he sings about the hard times, people losing jobs and everything's a struggle. Its hard to hear from a guy that sells tickets in a gold circle for over £300 each and a cruise that cost over £2500 each without the flights to get you there!
Work for the working man indeed!

That's part of the problem. There are songwriters worth millions who tap into social issues successfully. One of Jon's problems as a writer is instead of shining a mirror on social issues, he writes as if he is in the same issues as people.

However, the problem with Jon's social-focused songs is also that he is not a good enough songwriter to pull them off. Perhaps that's unfair and it would be better to say he is not that type of songwriter. His strength was always being able to tap into peoples emotions in a time and a place.

That's why a song like When We Were Beautiful says more to fans than a song like Work for the Working Man.

I'm going with 20/20 vision as he notes he is now seeing more clearly after This House. Voice might be shot but at least the eyesight is still good!

I'm more curious - a rare performance of Thank you for loving me.....now why didn't he play that instead of Amen during the last tour!!?

He has a clear vision about the band. THINFS was about Richie's departure and the band's future. Now he can see the future of the band clearer.

SO it goes the full CIRCLE to WHAT ABOUT NOW :rolleyes:

Which is exactly what 20/20 means...

Very different as in I got a new singer for it?

This guy really sums up what I'm feeling and what I believe most are feeling... (The only thing I'll give Jon is 'I think I'm happy" because most artists always second guess their work)... but the whole 20/20 Political stint is summed up best here....

https://youtu.be/i0FvOF34uVc

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Thanks for sharing. Some good points made here.

He seems to think bon jovi should be writing songs like bad name still. It seems he saw a news article and didn't really do any research, and just gave his opinion. I can get behind the whole thing about politics in songs for bon jovi = worse than normal songs. But at the same time none of us are expecting another bad name, or wanted. I think I'm being realistic when I hope to get an album with similar musical composition of Walls all the way through to thick as thieves. Maybe with a song or two of their cliche optimism, like BWC and THINFS. Lyrically I'm expecting WAN all over again though.

there is still hope

I'd say Jon tries everything to sound relevant again. This reminds me of the fact that he put the US in When We Were Us in capital letters.

I am sure the album will copy current sounds or use bland cliches. Him having visions...well, a former Chancellor of Germany once said: 'If someone has got visions, he should see a docor' Judging from how unoriginal the last album was I doubt this one will good at all. I cannot even bothered to buy or even listen to it.

Shanks is still on board, Jon's vocal abilities on tour were absolutely awful (apart from 2 or 3 shows) and thinking of Jon's legend jacket: hm....no thanks. he already compared himself to Jesus with 'until I can turn all tears into wine' and put a crwon on his head on an instagram post. Someone who is that grandiose will not be able to write a good song

Holy jeez you really have it out for Jon eh?

As I said, I do believe Jon is an ego-driven person and many of his moves and songs reflect that for me.
But don't worry, since I am pretty much done with Jon's music, I won't be here too often. The Munich show was the final nail on the coffin for me. I used to study psychological illnesses and Jon ticks many boxes that you would see in a narcissist and I do believe we have enough of them already. I am not saying that he is a full-blown narcissist but many things he does come close.

I did think the Jon of the 90s came across way more natural and I did like him. That being said, of course I few certain things differently as a grown-up compared to when I was 16.

And no, I don't dislike the music because I dislike Jon. I think Ryan Adams is an amazing talent even though he is probably a person who behaved crappy towards women.

Two nice songs will be enough to go on tour again. The rest of the setlist will be about old hits (sic!) and song fillers we all know way too well! Jon will bash Bad Medicine, cut Richie out of all the pics on the screen and keep pretending Bon Jovi is an actual band *with official member(s) who still doubt it*

I'd rather keep the faith these days than ask what about now but I guess it will bounce nicely to make the full circle so we all can have a nice day :middlefi:

Agreed. Trying to be a bit nicer towards Jon: maybe he is trying too hard because he thinks he has to. I'd say if he actually would start to lose his agendas a bit (and I mean this in a rather neutral way ;-)I think that some of the songs could be enjoyable. I did like Real Love, I thought it was quite romantic actually (although a bit over the top) But if Jon is trying to tackle a topic because he wants to prove something, I'd say he will fail

This forum has turned from being boring and sometimes a bit goofy into being strenuous and almost unbearable within two days.



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