That's interesting. Imagine that with each ticket sold, you would have obtained a gift album, and it counted as a sold album. However the rules have changed.

But really, the thing is: judging by the point that Jon's vocal decline reached during the second half of the European THINFS tour and especially the last South American leg that followed, it's clear this won't help or change anything. Jon will sound just as bad as before, if not even worse, next year or whenever they get to tour again. Not even a (close to) complete rest of a year has improved his vocals at all, as can be seen on the acoustic charity performances from last month or that horrendous Bad Name with Grace Potter.

I have no idea how anyone can still think his situation is reversible. The guy is absolutely done for good.

Just came back from the cinema. Jon’s voice did really put me of a lot of times. Didn’t enjoy myself.

To sum it up, this is Bon Jovi for me right now:

This was like having sex with one of your ex girlfriends. You hope it’s going to be awesome but you know it’s gonna suck.

It just doesn’t have anything to do anymore with singing. It’s painful to watch. And it sucks. An A+ for the effort but he’s done.

I don't know why so much amazement comes from. He already sounded like that in 2017.

From constant posts that Jon only needs to rest his voice and have some singing lessons. In terms of live performances, this guy's done for good. Sad as it is, but it's just the reality.

And to think of that On A Night Like This and Encore had an endless amount of takes plus post-production to make it listenable make it obvious how bad it may sound live after three shows on the next tour.

I already knew all this in 2017. I already said at the time, that Jon is a dead horse live, but Bon Jovi still gathers a lot of people in his shows, hanging sold out. The Encore show is also selling well. 2022 there will be a great demand for shows, I am sure that the Bon Jovi shows will have a large audience.

What I mean is that it doesn't matter if the guy is done. As I see it, as long as they continue to sell tickets around the world, machinery will still be alive, and if this happens, there will be more albums. Live shows is a lesser evil for me, I'm glad that it's still profitable, because this will depend on whether albums are made in the future.

Jbj don't need tour money to make an album. He's worth over £400m.

I still see people on twitter saying...his voice isn't gone it's just different now.

Ffs!

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Maybe you are right. But Jon is usually committed to all the workers he needs on the road. Many of them are from New Jersey. Jon had a tour planned that was canceled by the covid. Next year will be a good time for back to the road.

For what it's worth, we're not saying he needs the money from touring to fund the album. Recording albums doesn't cost nearly what it used to. He's just not going to tour unless it's behind an album because that means promo, new artwork, a single, renewed public interest etc. If he was just touring off the hits he wouldn't be able to go out every 2 or 3 years or whatever and hit the same cities. It's way easier to sell a tour if an album is there.

Completely agree.

it's not only jon'voice...just listen to the guitar sound there is no dynamic everything sounds so weak

That’s Jon’s decision to have quiet guitars on the album along with the lack of solos.

Blood in the water and devils temple are two songs that immediately spring to mind that could’ve been so much better with a long solo or solo play out.


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Is that the case when it is an album that sold 100,000 worldwide, or whatever the number is? How many people actually know there was a new Bon Jovi album and how many care? Surely any tour now would be, for the majority of people attending, sold off the hits.

Oh don't get me wrong, a very very very slim group is going because Bon Jovi have a new album/single out but being able to promote a tour on the back of a new album is way easier. Also up until 2020 they could boost sales by attaching the album to it.

But you're right. I don't think most people care.

Correct, also the playing of Phil and Shanks suck. Very sterile. Didn't want to be to negative but I'll skip the next tour. There's just nothing left apart from Tico.

It's like that with any legendary act. No one is going to hear the new McCartney album. They want to hear Beatle and Wing Classics... I can do this with anyone who's been around for 20 plus years.

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And even Tico is not what he used to be, especially considering how many mistakes he made on several songs during the 2019 European tour.

I agree with you overall though - I already made the decision after Tallinn '19 of never going to see Bon Jovi live again. As fun as it was being there with good company, Jon's struggles were very noticeable throughout the night and especially the last 4 songs or so were absolutely dreadful. He's just too far gone to make the live experience worth all the money and travel anymore - by now I'd say we've reached a point where even his amazing showmanship can no longer save the show properly with his vocals being as horrid as they are.

I'll always cherish what we had before 2015, though.

Yeah, this. My last show was on the WAN tour, both shows I saw were underwhelming and even then I was backing away from the idea of paying so much to see songs I've heard live everytime get less and less engaging. I don't really want to pay 100+ dollars even if Jon is really on fire selling the songs, it's not really songs I want being sold to me. I have 10 years of great memories and that's enough for me. Shake up the setlist, do something different and then we'll talk.

Very much agreed! I also have 10 years of great live memories and 2019 had already knocked quite a dent into those.
It's not even Jon's voice only, as you said, it's the fact one basically gets the same setlist as on the previous tour with three current tracks replacing three other tracks from x years prior. And I've heard all the old ones in good renditions before (for cheaper ticket prices). :mrgreen:
If I wanna go for a decent night with Jovi music, I'm much better off with bands like New Jersey or Bounce by now, not only financially. On those occasions, I actually have the chance of hearing some rare tracks I care for from albums that made an impact on me. :)

I imagine if I was in your position I'd say the same, but with how few times I've seen them live I'll still probably go next tour

Fair enough yeah. I think I hit 20 between 2003 and 2013 and they've never not come to Toronto and tend to do multiple shows. I'm good with what I've seen.

I've seen them 3 times. All 3 were without Richie. If he comes back (probably won't happen) I'll definitely go to a show. But since I have to travel to see them I probably won't make it next tour unless they play PR again (which with the schedule they kept from 2017-2019 I highly doubt will ever happen).

I think I'm content that Wembley was my last show. I always said I'd like to get to double figures, Wembley was my ninth, but everything 2020 has killed any enthusiasm I had left for Bon Jovi.

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I’m the same. Wembley 19 was my last show. After a good run of shows since 1990.


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I Guarantee as soon as another tour is announced you'll be there mate, even if its just for a drunken day out and sing along lol

If Liverpool had been my last show,Id probably go to see them the next tour,but,with Wembley also been decent (worst than Liverpool),Madrid show,that was my last show,was one of the worst shows of any artist Ive ever witness.
That night,going back to the hotel I decided it was the last one.
And as you said,its not only Jons voice.
The band does not sound well,it sounds weaker and you get the feeling you are seeing a cover band with Jon as a "singer".
Then,as Dominik mentioned,there are the setlist.
The same songs over and over again,tour after tour,and now,played slower and more boring.
It was a nice ride,one of the best moments of my life,but I think its the end of the trip.
I got lots of memories and Im thankfull for that,but seeing Jon destroying the bands legacy was too hard for me at the Madrid show.

I can't wait for the next time!

I think for me, the shows are just a bonus now. I look forward to spending a good few days with a load of friends and people I've met from here. The last tour I got to meet Deb who was absolutely lovely, Thierry who was fantastic company and I've kept in touch with since and then met some people from my twitter page too.

I personally loved the shows I went too but that was also because of who I was with. We danced, drank, laughed etc.. the memories of the last tour are something I'll always remember. It was the best week I've had.

However, Jon is close to being finished. Vocally, we probably got the best of him for 4/5 years and it was still poor. At times he looked a great front man still. I don't think that will totally leave him.

I'll see them because no band gives me the buzz still. Even though I know it's not the band I love, it still is. If that makes sense?



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Thank you Jay. You summed it up for me as well it's waaay more about the gathering for me than just the band and the evaluation of the merits of the set list, voice, etc.


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Then agree a venue, meet up, drink, dance and listen to BJ on record. Saves you £100s on tickets!

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You're right.

Because you said this, I'll do just that!

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Two years ago, there was Italian cover band New Jersey playing in Munich the day before the concert and many of us had met up there. Was a lot more relaxed 'cause you didn't have to focus too much on the entire show, yet got nearly three hours worth of interesting songs and could still have a talk from time to time. Plus it was A LOT cheaper (both tickets and beers) :mrgreen:

See. Simple. Sorted.


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I think tribute acts are the way to go.
They will play b-sides and album cuts cos they know its what real jovi fans want and them being also fans help.

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So Jon was in Barcelona for 30 hours they say, I listened American Reckoning with his harmonica; then I listened an old Born To Be My Baby live with harmonica, and I'm not feeling well. From what I heard it's all boring, except Wanted at the end.
printed set list https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5EJlq1X...jpg&name=large
https://www.instagram.com/p/CQtoyz1o8IM/
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CQtnCpBIyWP/

Just awful. Shame.
But stick in a fork in Jon. He’s done.


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Bad Name: Livin' On A Prayer:

The encore concert will be available for international purchase on 07/22!

Source?


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