Originally Posted by semigoodlooking (Post 1261146)

Fair enough, but there is something to be said for history, exploring trends, and probability. Most of Bon Jovi's history has been defined by average output, the trend of recent albums shows a lack of significant quality, and probability suggests this will continue (the latest song adds to that chance).

Xavi was clearly making a prediction and the probability is weighted in his favor.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1261155)

RE: The Today Show Interview

Jon BonJovi's Soul Kitchen at Rutgers - YouTube

Unless I missed it not a single talk of the new single or a release date. Plus a clip of Misunderstood. I for sure get this was about the restaurant and not the album but cripes, it'd be nice to promote it a little.

Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1261145)

Please tell us more about the album as you've obviously heard it to make this assumption?

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1261165)

Aloha !



You tell me which album this review is from without using Google.

Bon Jovi's latest album shows no signs of deviating from the well-trodden path, and is arguably the weakest of their post-2000 releases. The opener and lead-single sounds strikingly lethargic and irritatingly overproduced until the bridge offers some sort of saving grace by adding a bit of guitar noise. Other tracks follow in much the same vein, unambitious and over familiar rockers, that show little in the way of innovation or new ideas. There's a mid-tempo acoustic/electric rocker, blatant rip offs of other current acts and there's ballads as well, most nauseatingly on the supposedly intimate song where Jon Bon Jovi (vocals, of course) veers uncomfortably close to self-parody, singing about cliches no one would dare to put on record. Notable highlights are difficult to come by, but the pseudo intellectual lyrics mentioning the social state of the U.S.A. have Jon channelling his inner-Springsteen as he makes a surprisingly moving state of the nation address, and finally the guitarist is allowed to shine and do himself justice. Still a fine player, he’s capable of the usual obnoxious flashiness, but also demonstrates some impressively tasteful, textural playing. For the most part though, it’s predictable, it’s comfortable, it’s by-the-numbers rock built for America FM. And it's become very irrelevant.

You tell me.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1261165)

Aloha !



You tell me which album this review is from without using Google.

Bon Jovi's latest album shows no signs of deviating from the well-trodden path, and is arguably the weakest of their post-2000 releases. The opener and lead-single sounds strikingly lethargic and irritatingly overproduced until the bridge offers some sort of saving grace by adding a bit of guitar noise. Other tracks follow in much the same vein, unambitious and over familiar rockers, that show little in the way of innovation or new ideas. There's a mid-tempo acoustic/electric rocker, blatant rip offs of other current acts and there's ballads as well, most nauseatingly on the supposedly intimate song where Jon Bon Jovi (vocals, of course) veers uncomfortably close to self-parody, singing about cliches no one would dare to put on record. Notable highlights are difficult to come by, but the pseudo intellectual lyrics mentioning the social state of the U.S.A. have Jon channelling his inner-Springsteen as he makes a surprisingly moving state of the nation address, and finally the guitarist is allowed to shine and do himself justice. Still a fine player, he’s capable of the usual obnoxious flashiness, but also demonstrates some impressively tasteful, textural playing. For the most part though, it’s predictable, it’s comfortable, it’s by-the-numbers rock built for America FM. And it's become very irrelevant.

You tell me.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1261195)

Since there's been close to nothing in terms of official announcements (have there actually been any?), I'd say it's been pushed back for whatever reason (rejected by the record company again?)

Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1261197)

We think they've done the video so if that is the case then it can't be far off. I doubt it's that it was rejected by the record company. The album is done

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1261198)

It's not out of the realm of possibility. Quite of the few albums have had that happened (whether it was record company or not, tracks were added and taken off). We don't know that it's not done, it's been done a few times.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1261201)

Exactly. There are numerous possibilites:

1. They have some sort of deal in position as the one with Tidal back in 2016 and production for the videos simply have started. Maybe we're getting videos for all songs again. When the Tidal deal launched 4 years ago, the first videos came floating in rather rapidly, meaning they probably had been produced a few weeks prior without us knowing it.



2. The album was nodded off, but the single rejected (like with Crush 20 years ago). That'd only go with number 1 since they wouldn't start a video shoot for a yet-to-be-decided single.



3. The album simply got rejected and some songs have to be replaced.



4. The record company has asked for a collaboration with an outsider to get a single out of it (similar to 3).



5. Jon has pulled it by himself for some reasons to rework some of it. Though I'm not sure he had actually ever really delayed an album on his own terms since These Days.

Originally Posted by pudge104 (Post 1261202)

Or everything is fine and it’s coming out soon.


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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1261203)

That's possible, but boring since we'd have nothing to specialist speculate then.
I mean, people have bought tickets and weren't they supposed to be paired with an album?


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Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1261206)

Can anyone remember when the THINFS tour was announced in relation to the first single coming out?

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1261207)

The single, THINFS, was released on August 12th, 2016.

The tour got announced on October 5th, 2016. On the day of the announcement, Bon Jovi played THINFS and Knockout on the Ellen show and Jon told the audience about the upcoming tour right there....

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1261210)

That's comparable to "Unbroken" being released on Nov. 1 and the tour being announced on Jan 15; except now they're saying "Unbroken" wasn't the first single from the album. (Not sure how that works. It's from the album, an official video was released, it was on Spotify, and for sale on Amazon - so how is it not the first single?)

The Ellen show included a second release from THINFS ("Knockout") just before tickets went on sale Oct 10. Following that pattern, there should have been a second release from 2020 around the time the tour was announced. According to the Pollstar articles, that was going to be "The Story of Love", scheduled to drop in January, which would have tracked with the tour announcement on the 15th and the tickets going on sale Jan 21/24. All of it would have coincided with the promotion surrounding the Rutgers SK Grand (Re)Opening on Jan 22-23 that Jon had announced shortly before the Pollstar articles were published.

Somewhere in the interim, though, the "first" single was changed from "The Story of Love" to "Limitless"; and, since then, there's been no word about the release of another single or the album. So it looks to me like Jon and Azoff initially planned to follow the same timeline as THINFS; but something threw a monkey wrench into their plans.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1261210)

That's comparable to "Unbroken" being released on Nov. 1 and the tour being announced on Jan 15; except now they're saying "Unbroken" wasn't the first single from the album. (Not sure how that works. It's from the album, an official video was released, it was on Spotify, and for sale on Amazon - so how is it not the first single?)

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1261212)

Jon emphasized around the time that it was a song for a side project that "probably was gonna be on the album as well." He had given a couple of interviews / press around that, so if it was the first single, why wouldn't he just say it?
It's similar to 2012 when Not Running Anymore dropped late that year and was on WAN as well. No one regarded that as the first single either even though it also was music composed for a film (this time around a documentary).

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1261213)

I think the biggest difference is Not Running Anymore wasn't on the proper album. The fact that, last we heard, the new album has ten songs and one of them was released in correlation to a documentary is an odd choice but so much time has passed I really think we'll get a standard twelve song album. Who knows, maybe Unbroken got knocked off of it since then.

Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1261214)

It's a bit comparable to Reunion and THINFS, but only a bit. Don't think that correlated with anything, it was just a side project song that made the main album, which was strange enough for me. But since it's Jon & friends now, he might as well do what he wants, I guess...

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1261215)

That's a good comparison, yeah. Was Reunion written for that specific event?

Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1261217)

I think Jon just realised that Bon Jovi are a nostalgia act by now and so decided to release the album called 2020 in the year 2021 to emphasize his new realization.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1261213)

I think the biggest difference is Not Running Anymore wasn't on the proper album. The fact that, last we heard, the new album has ten songs and one of them was released in correlation to a documentary is an odd choice but so much time has passed I really think we'll get a standard twelve song album. Who knows, maybe Unbroken got knocked off of it since then.

Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1261217)

I think Jon just realised that Bon Jovi are a nostalgia act by now and so decided to release the album called 2020 in the year 2021 to emphasize his new realization.

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1261219)

I'll go on a limb here and say that if Not Running Anymore had been in post-Richie era, it would've been on the album, just like Reunion and (possibly) Unbroken. Now that it's effectively JBJ & Friends under the flagship of Bon Jovi, these lines have been blurred.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1261226)

I appreciate what you guys are saying; but I see significant differences between your examples and "Unbroken". The main one being the fact that those songs weren't released as band singles. "Unbroken" was promoted, by Bon Jovi official (Twitter, YT), the streaming sites, and Amazon, as a single by Bon Jovi. I think the only place Jon was credited as the artist was in the credits of To Be of Service.

I don't recall Jon saying it was a side project or any question of it being included on the album; but maybe I missed it. (Kinda like I missed the teleprompters in the Billy Joel performance). :rolleyes:
IIRC, the first specific statement Jon made about any of the music on the new album was that "one of the songs is a PTSD song." In the "Unbroken" trailer, Jon did say that it was written for the film; but he also said "it will be featured on our forthcoming album Bon Jovi: 2020."

So, yes, it was written for the documentary, and nobody ever said, specifically, that it was "the first single from our upcoming album." But it was clearly the first song from the album to be released as a single; and it was consistently given as an example of the content on the band's new 'socially conscious' album. So, aside from them choosing to call it that, it still doesn't make sense to me why another song will be considered the "first (or debut) single" from the album.

Not a big deal, anyway; it's just a riddle to me. Thanks for trying to clear it up.