Just watched LOAP seems to be one of the stronger songs of the night which was surprising

I see it 100% doable for current Jon

The Distance is another one that I'd like to see back along with The Next 100 Years

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I checked out the video to In these arms from the gig and noticed they were playing it in Dmajor not Emajor. (so it?s in Dflat major because they always tune down live)

Is this a new thing, cause I haven?t really noticed it before? I wondered why the song sounded like it was dragging. Surprised Jon still struggled.

Are there other songs that have been changed?

Nah, never really liked that two...

When he sings like this in Europe than they will never come back to Europe again. Apart from big fans nobody knows how is voice is now. That will be a big disappointment for the fans. It will nearly be impossible to sell stadiums or arenas except maybe a farewell tour with Richie.
If he had at least his stage presence that would be another thing but from Bon Jovi nothing is left.

Each to their own brother

Fair enough! :-) And don't get me wrong, I don't think they're bad songs, I just don't neccessarily want them in the set. But, as you said, to each their own...

Going by the recent instagram photos on the bullet train maybe they should change the lyrics to Last Gran Standing?

Jon's singing much better...

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One of the more positive things about Richie not being there is you don't have that annoying girl screaming 'Richieeeeee'...

She's infamous for destroying every Japanese bootleg since 1984.

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I think Jon sounds a little better in these clips. Only a slight improvement but that’s something.

I'm sorry, did I miss the part where someone tried to suggest that if Richie were still in the band none of those things would be missing?




I don't disagree with anything you said; but to play devil's advocate, there's a corresponding rehashed argument that nobody is forcing anyone to buy records, attend shows, or watch videos, either. As the good Captain was quick to point out, a lot of the elements that made Bon Jovi such a great band have been AWOL for a very long time; plenty long enough that no one (or no one with realistic expectations, anyway) should be surprised, or overly disappointed, with what they see or hear.

Not as bad as the infamous Jon-girls who screamed their way through every Red Bank Xmas show, sounding like they were being slaughtered :D

Watched a few bits from both shows.

Both look shite.

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What is 'Shite'?

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A band losing its chemistry is like pealing an onion back... Things change a little at a time over the course of many years...

First your bass player leaves, then you stop recording together, then you change producers, then you add in new members, then you write with other people, then your guitar player leaves, then you start to age so things don't work the same anymore like vocals, and then there are additional sub categories to all the above.

Richie coming back might help a little but he's just a small piece to an unresolved puzzle...

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Agreed, they've gone too far off for too long to just say that Richie's return would solve things. It wouldn't. I mean many of us go for nostalgia reasons and Richie being there would at least push the chances of some nostalgia moments, but it wouldn't bring back the band we had up until 2011. That one is gone, simple as that. I just wish they had the balls to change their sound in order to fit the new player. You got Phil and Shanks there and both are capable of playing, but they're trying to emulate how they sounded before and it doesn't work too well since it makes them sound like a cover band. Risk something, utilize their strength and play around with some arrangements to make it exciting again. Hell, even the KTF jam was already there when Richie was still on board.

This setlist pretty much sums up what is wrong with their setlists. We can always argue which song is good and which is not. But the real problem for me is how the setlists are put up. In this case only 3 out of the first 12 songs are pre 2000 songs. And the rest 9 songs are all pre 1993. So the first half of the show is always pretty lame and boring. The casuals know only few of those songs and the real fans don't like to hear them (Because being played so often). Then the second half is full of hits from Slippery, KTF and NJ. Casuals are feeling great and Jon is happy. Die hards are left unhappy again. It is hard for me to understand the reason behind this.

When the poster said they miss Richie and Alec? Of course I'm not saying if he was still in the band those things weren't missing, I'm saying....it's perfectly okay to miss those things but 90 percent of that list went bye-bye in the mid 90s.

Well, diehards aren't that relevant, since they are by far outnumbered by casuals. And casuals want to hear the hits, and putting them (mostly) at the end of the set makes everyone leave on a high, especially with Prayer ending the show. Simple as that.

That BTBMB wasn't that bad. I've heard worse over the years to be honest...

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For a band with some real great songs and rarities the set lists are so bland.

They say they practice 90+ songs but nothing in those last 2 shows was a “wow” choice.

Throw in something different.
Lose the Lost Highway combo as it don’t work and never has. They have even found a way to make WSYCGH even more tedious.
I actually thought the acoustic start was ok (for a dreadful song) then 15 mins later it’s still going on and my ears are bleeding.

I’m already regretting buying my tickets if the set lists are this poor in Europe.
I’d take them playing different songs and butchering them over these set lists.

Finally the spark has gone for JBJ. I don’t think it’s the same for him since Richie left. Maybe he’d have him back but Tico and Dave wont? It’s like the lights have been switched off for Jon.






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I am pretty sure that in the 2010 tour (inside out) the song was in D. Not D flat.

They have been downtuning guitars, and eventually songs, since the nineties.

Nevertheless, I don't believe the downtuning is enough to justify a very strong drag.

Yeah but that doesn't excuse the first half of the set at all. There's too much midtempo songs that neither the casuals know nor the diehards care about. I agree that the show should build up towards their big hits, but it's the rest that needs to at least be rotated.

They would never play a show just for die hards.
We would all love a gig with ton of songs from Boxset and New Jersey tracks on disc 2 but half the audience would hate it. I get that.
But there are ways to make it more interesting for long time fans.
Whats wrong with the odd b-side or rare track?

I think that's the case as well. Jon needs stability and his "band of brothers" was that where he felt comfortable with the ones surrounding him. As capable as Phil X and Shanks may be musically, it's not the same for him and you see that. Haven't seen Jon geniuenly happy since the 2011 show I guess.

That comment he made in the German SPIEGEL interview in 2016 about touring was quite revealing with regards to that.

And about letting Richie back (not that I want to open that topic up again): set aside if either Jon or Richie want that, I think (since the most recent interview and someone pointint out the tenions at the HoF afterwards) that David wouldn't want that either.

True, but I think Jon uses the first half of the set to please himself, i.e. play songs that *he* likes, then followed by songs that he thinks *we* like. I think he said he only does this for the odd song or two, but I think it's definitely the case with WLOL/LH, for example.

What you chat a lot of the time.

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Somehow I get the feeling sometimes that Jon neither likes their hits too much nor most of the fan favourites. Only a small portion of cuts that (ironically) the fans don't like too much.
What I find interesting is that he stated in the WWWB documentary "I don't like the lull because I find it harder to pull it back up again". Yet this combo always kills off the energy from the start of the show. He could at least stick to one of the two songs per night or spread them out.

You mean Shit?

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I recently saw some new Richie interviews for example the Normans Guitar (if thats the name?) interview a few months ago 2018.
He plays pretty good compared to HoF performance.
If Bon Jovi tours, shows, etc were less (Sounds selfish haha but don't want them to tour less) and if Richie was allowed to contribute more and sing maybe 2 - 3 songs of his own during concerts then he maybe would have stayed.
As someone said please don't start a Richie topic anyways..

I think the setlists are quite good for the casual concert-goer honestly. I don't really like it though. Wish they had some rarer songs like maybe Just Older or Living in Sin.
LH should be kept but not WLOL (Rarely if ever) in my opinion.
Or maybe a rotation between them.

Remove that damn "It's alright" and acoustic start (Voice) from WSYCGH.

Yes, I said the same already on my post. What I meant was that there are tons of huge bands and artists that have also great amount of hits and records but still are serving much more interesting setlists year after year, tour after tour. Let's say for example Bruce Springsteen, Foo Fighter, Red Hot Chili Pepper, Metallica and so on... sure they might start a show always with the same song and have the biggest hits in encore, but that's it. They are not playing all their "new" stuff at the beginning and all the old stuff and hits at the end. That is just a poor way of building a setlist. I've seen Bon Jovi live in BWC, Circle and LH tour, and the setlists have been getting more boring tour by tour. And I'm not just talking about the song choices. I know that there is an idea behind the setlists but for me that idea is just simply bad.

Too easy!! Thanks for the laugh

I've been checking the stats for the 2015 and the 2017/2018 tours (as both had new members in the band so it makes sense to compare them instead of BWC vs THINFS as a whole):

In 2015 they had:
50% post 2000 songs
25% from the 80s
15% from the 90s

In the THINFS tour so far:
60% post 2000
23% 80s
17% 90s

That's the worrying pattern, the 80s songs need to be there as that's where the big hits are, but they keep playing less and less of those, so argument no.1 (they have to play the hits! almost all the audience are casuals!) is getting weaker and weaker with every show. Then we have the 90s which have a good balance of monster hits and pretty well know songs for casuals that diehards love, and it's kept to a minimum.

We are left with a whole bunch of post2000 songs, which are mostly not very well know to casuals and hated by diehards. They are playing more songs of the new album now compared to then, but they've kept the shitty post2000 songs so that's why setlists are so poor (instead of increasing real hits/including quality songs to make up for more new songs, they pile all the shitty songs together night after night).

Edit: I'm shit with stats but a quick look at setlist.fm tells me that in 2015 there was a better balance under similar circumstances.

Like the London O2 shows in 2010? Still remember Jon noting about 'here is one for the die hards out there and since David Bryan is accepting a Toni Award' etc ...... then blasted out Let it Rock! One Die Hard rare song a night would be fine, in fact they could have five which they practice and just play on rotation.

Agreed. 2010 was an interesting time. I wasn't shocked when they pulled 3 or 4 songs from the first album and dropped them almost immediately. It's like they tried to build a new set by splashing a bucket of water on people, it was too much too fast.

Hey guys,

I was taking a look in some videos of the shows in Japan. Anyone notice some hard playbacks in "When we were us"? I know that the band use playbacks for a long time, but not for specifics phrases that Jon should be able to sing (even nowadays).

Take a look in the bridge part around 1:56 (when Jon start to jump - for me a signal that something was wrong - and his voice remains constant) and in the end, when he stop to sing "when we were uuuus" and his voice continue in the sound (around 2:52).

A rare song would be Social Disease, Without You, Stick to your Guns, If I was your mother, Little bit of soul, Outlaws of Love, Good Guys dont always wear white, Love Hurts etc

How hard would it be to throw us ONE bone?

That jumping part is strange, I would guess that you'd hear a difference in sound while jumping. That being said, a playback that sounds like that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, other than maybe to allow Jon to breathe for a second, since that part sets in rather quickly after the previous one.

But the other part is definitely no playback, but someone else doubling Jon (I believe Everett Bradley or maybe David), the voice is different.