Out of curiosity (since he said the same thing in 2017): When and where was this a hit?

I've heard similar banter where he's been a little more specific about it... He's basically said that if the song was released during a different period, it would have been a hit and he's too old to get any radio airplay now...

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In the US it was played a fair amount on what is known as the Adult Top 40 radio formats. I can't remember the chart position but I know it was top 15 for some weeks. I just don't have access to old chart info anymore. Certainly not a hit on what's left of top 40 radio terrestrial though.

Yeah, that's what he means. It was in the top 10/15 on Adult Top 40 or something like that. Guess that's considered being a hit nowadays...

Jon-flp I think I heard a very slight change in pitch (Due to jump) when he jumped at 2:06, the way it sounds when he jumps.

Judging by what Rdkopper said I would say that Jon says it's a hit due to lack of self-confidence or so, or just denial..

I really want setlists to become better for Europe haha. And hope he moves, maybe he should remove those teleprompters??

Wikipedia says:

So, it's almost a top 10 for them (though only in AC), which is the highest for quite some time (HAND?), so I can see where he's coming from, though it's still a bit of a stretch...

I don't really get why he has these anyway since it's basicall the same 25 or so songs for the entire tour.
Plus he had one both in 1996 and 2011 and it didn't stop him from moving :D

For me they are now boring as hell to watch and listen to on these youtube videos.

4 static old men stepping up to the microphones to sing, stepping back for instrumentals and then stepping forward to sing again.

Its so boring. Wheres my favourite rock star gone? Wheres the zip? Wheres the excitement?

Im a very very longtime fan. I don't actually care about the set lists too much. There are still plenty of songs there that would have entertained me on past tours. Now they plod through them with hardly any enthusiasm or energy.

It should'nt be an age issue. Too many of their peers are putting far more into their shows these days and at least try and deliver value for money.

This is the first tour since New Jersey that I havent been really excited for (Yes believe it or not I was still excited in 2013 even though they had been declining by degrees)

For me the worst thing it is not the voice,wich is obviously painfully,it is the lack of ambition,of attitude,of passion.
It is like a job you go and you are looking forward to the time to go home.
Without passion you are nothing.
And it is not just Jon,but the whole band.
They look like civil servants up on stage.
Jon said hed quite when he feels they are a nostalgia act
Jon,you are now a nostalgia act.
Very sad to say that

Watched a few videos (Born To Be My Baby, In These Arms, Saturday Night) and didn’t think they were that bad. Certainly better than 2017. At least he’s not doing that whisper thing anymore. I think people forget how bad 2017 really was. And I couldn’t care less about him “moving around.” Totally agree with the complaints about the set lists. I don’t get that static set. But I’m more hopeful, not less hopeful after these two shows. Interested to see what Australia holds. I still believe Europe could be good fun.


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I'm not disagreeing to disagree but I don't think any of this right.

Bon Jovi have been a nostalgia act since 2007 at least, way before the decline.

Yes it is, top 11 on Adult Contemporary Billboard at some point. Check Wikipedia, though unfortunately the link to the charts only goes to the current charts, where Bon Jovi have 0.

It is your opinion,not mine.

I disagree.

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I call BS on that. 2010/2011 saw an energetic band and frontman who were enjoying themselves and delivered great concerts. If you're talking about having new hits to add to the collection, you somewhat have a point, but still I disagree ;-)

I meant that most casuals (definitely a majority of their crowds) probably went to their concerts for nostalgia reasons back then already.

Agree.

This will be the last tour I ever see them on. I wasnt gonna go wembley but then the loyalty took over and I bought (2 £130) tickets.
But they have no passion anymore. They have gone on way too long. The stage is full of impostors.
JBJ is on autopilot. Tico is still amazing.
Phil X - as good as he is isnt suited to Bon Jovi. I hate the sight of Shanks and the guy playing bongos.

JBJ shouldve brought the curtain down on this ageing act after the WAN tour. Every fan is going out of nostalgia - they sure aint getting a top performance - I keep saying - oh for wembley he will raise his game - but im beginning to doubt that. He either dont want to or just cant.
He voice is shot - he cant command a stage either as he just grips the mike - thats ok in a small venue but not in stadiums.

We talked a little bit about it here: https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/bon-j...ml#post1242066

and this is the chart: https://www.billboard.com/charts/adu...ary/2017-03-04

I just want to see passion. The most vanilla set can be good if it's delivered with passion. Some shows of the US tour 2010 for example, they had the most bland setlists but they were delivered with a lot of passion and I still listen to them a lot.
The vocals - well they are what they are. But since their "return" I have rarely seen the band passionate on stage (minus Tico). During the 2016 promo shows I felt a bit of that hunger again - but ironically only when he was talking inbetween the songs. When I first saw them in 2003, his voice was (for that time frame) pretty strained already, but damn - there was so much hunger and excitement on stage, it made me fall in love with this band and their music.
Now they really seem like civil servants - doing their 9 to 5 job and then going home. Last summer I saw Kiss. Paul Stanley's voice is even more shot than Jon's - but there was still that excitement of performing to be seen, the commanding of the crowd, the joy of being up there on stage. If I'd only get that, I think I could leave happy next year. But at least get that back.

Agreed! And I can't see any reason why Jon is suddenly glued to the mic again, other than maybe being afraid to not deliver and thus clinging to the mic stand. Which ironically leads to the opposite of what he wants to accomplish (as our discussions here show). C'mon Jon, just let loose for once!

it must feel really really shitty for Jon, once one of the greatest Frontman of all time with an iconic voice.
I give him credit to step up on the big stage (like in Japan this week) in this Kind of shape.
but it´s time to be true to himself now and Show us his Cards and whats wrong with his voice !! he can´t hide it anymore

Haha I wish I could mind control and make Jon start moving and dancing again. And also make him think he should add or remove some songs on the setlists for possibly the better.

One thing to know about me, I don't make a comment on something with numbers unless I am 100% sure. That said, I'll help you. https://www.billboard.com/charts/adu...ary/2017-04-29

On April 29, 2017, it was at number 16, peak position 11 and at that point had been on the AC Chart for 13 weeks. But, feel free to verify yourself via the link. :)

I haven't listened to anything they've really done since 2013, and thought I'd see what's going on. Saw the comments about 'Saturday Night' from this show so searched. And pretty shocked by what I'm hearing. Slow, plodding, boring.

I then watched 'Raise Your Hands' from Rock in Rio 2017 and could only get halfway through. Out of time, flat, smiles were aplenty on the faces of the band but I think tears were more appropriate.

Genuinely shocked.

Had to look that one up myself, and yes, it's a bit slow, but otherwise I'm pleasantly surprised. Sure, it used to have more energy, but I expected much worse when I read the comments about it. Guess opinions differ and expectations change ;-)

I've seen them at Wembley twice, sadly I fully agree with you and I won't be making it for a 3rd time. I really struggle to watch any of these YouTube clips. It genuinely upsets me and makes me very sad to see what they have become [emoji3525]

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This will surely prove to be the last tour. Jon is not an idiot, he knows he’s struggling and is surely too proud to carry on beyond next year with what voice he has left deteriorating fast. It’s pretty sad, actually.

I'm not so sure. As someone pointed out, if he knew this would be the last tour, they'd market it as such. Unless they think they make enough tickets and money anyways, which seems to be the case.

I'd still say the decline has stopped for now, instead he's making small improvements. Which makes sense, since he seems to have to relearn the songs to know which voice/technique to use for which lines/words. Will it get better to a tolerable level? Or will it get worse after improving a bit? Time will tell...

I sure hope this isn't the last tour, because I'd like my kids to see them and they're too small yet, but dig the music (THINFS and Roller Coaster, to be exact) very much.

*Jon invites Walleris on stage infront of 50000 people for a speech about Bon Jovi and Jon*

I don't think even Jon could tell that by now, but he's more realistic than some fans. After his depression, I'm sure he wanted to get back to the routine of album/touring, but at the same time he's mentioned it more than before that touring is the part he clearly hates the most. Plus that interview in the Spiegel magazine in late 2016/early 2017:
Jon: "I told my wife we'd be going to tour..."
Dorothea: "Why?"
Jon: "To make some money..."
Dorothea: "That's a shitty reason"
Jon: "I realized that she was right. I need to find something to make it interesting for me as well..."
And I've never seen this guy more uncomfortable and insecure on stage than for big junks of the THINFS tour. Can't imagine what mental mountain he has to climb to get up to that mic night after night...

I wonder why he dislikes touring? He seemed to really like it more than 15 years ago. I guess it's cause of time outside of touring, spend time with some other stuff and voice too?

Like spending some time with his daughter? Sorry, but pun intended ;-)

Anyhow, yeah, I think bonjovi90 is right, he has to climb some mountain to get up on stage every night, when it was he who commanded the band to tour every other year... Very strange...

Aloha !

Travelling the world is just not for everyone. Most people hate the constant change of surroundings, the waiting at airports and waiting to get from a to b. It's not just getting to the show, it's getting in your airplane, in your tourbus, in your hotel room. It's all 5 stars but the waiting is still the same. If you can't enjoy that, you won't enjoy touring. It also doesn't help if you're like Jon and spend your time on the road in your hotel room as opposed to actually doing some sightseeing it gets lonely and boring quite soon. I've started travelling the world 5 years ago and I reckon I've seen more of the world than Jon has in the 35 years he's spend touring it.

Now usually the shows are the things that make it all worth it but nowadays he's barely able to make it through a song, let alone an entire show without ****ing up somewhere. With all the smiles, waves and pointing he does after he butchers something he comes across as some nervous wreck who knows he's in a desperate need to cover up the many mistakes he makes every night. He's not got much to worry about when it comes to his audiences when people still go and buy tickets for this cluster**** and say performances like Sat. Night from this show are worth "a 7,5" or "not that bad". It really shows how much faith he has in his own material. He could loosen up a bit yet it's remarkable how he can't do shows on autopilot anymore and it's more boring than ever.

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Nah, I have it on good authority that Jon thinks "that’s really not a great excuse." Might not have been a bad idea, though, when you think about it. ;)

Jon recently said he wasn't depressed, only growing as a person or some kind of similar bullshit.

I think denial is still strong. Sure, "depression" is a blanket for many shitty feelings and it's used very liberally, but you don't do a personality 180, look like a deer caught in the headlights and as if you'd rather be somewhere else every single show night and call it improvement :confused:

At least stink eye thrower extraordinaire Jon had some damn passion inside and cared about the show, even when he was being a dick. This robo Jon is ****ing sad to watch.

couldn't agree more!

It's funny (and sad even more), I watched clips from Japan and Australia with my wife, who has some experience in that regard, and the first thing she said about Jon is "depression". In her view, that would explaind a great many things, and I tend to agree. His voice being shot to pieces I don't buy for a minute. For that, he's able to hit too many high notes he couldn't even in 2011. Maybe it's more that he's having to relearn how to sing the songs, because his voice has lowered quite a bit and the muscle memory doesn't really fit anymore. Combine that with being insecure and all that cluster**** about Richie, his daugther, the record company, and you've got someone hanging on to dear life at the mic, afraid of getting everything wrong, and in succession succeeding at that.

On a side note: we've been watching Munich 2011 again, and even there he still had the tendency to cling to the mic stand and make the "open arms" gesture after some difficult parts. So it's not all new, as I thought, it's only been getting worse... But, his body gesture was all different in 2011 (and even 2013, though then he already looked a bit like not really wanting to be there).

IIRC he said he "was burned out" the last day of the tour in 2013, that he was on depression then "why should I put myself through all that again?" and if he was going to tour again would have to be his desire and not only money.
Seeing the show in Australia, as I said on that thread he doesn't look happy.