So you basically can't stand anyone singing lead vocals bar the guy who can't sing lead vocals anymore? [emoji23]

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This is one of those setlists where it's moaning for the sake of moaning if the problem is changing it up. I don't LIKE the changes but putting something else in the first two spots, throwing in Ghost, moving When We Were Us to the encore, for better or worse, is changing up the setlist.

When it comes to Bon Jovi, (sadly) yes. It's always been about Jon and his voice for me. Which makes it even harder these days, but I'll stick with him...

We should just start copy and pasting these threads from show to show because they are all identical.

I really think people go into each show thinking that this is going to be the one where Jon sings like his old self again... Wake up call... Ain't Happening!!! Never!

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Probably not like his old self, but maybe like 2013 again. But not over night, at least, though I don't think anyone is really expecting that to happen?

As are the shows themselves...

Which is even more disappointing for me because Jon could actually do something about this.

And I’m getting tired of posting links as well
I need some vacations to Dubai or something lol

Totally agreed. If he'd switch up things or altered some of the performances, we'd have a lot more to talk about than his vocals over and over again.

To be honest, it happened in Rock In Rio. Not saying it was the old Jon, of course. He went from being a statue at the microphone and sounding dreadful to moving around and having fun and sounding slightly better. That was the last show that really surprised me.

Waking up halfway through the stream and seeing JBJ moving around the stage was something I didn't expect at the time. I thought he'd try even harder to sound better at the microphone. We all know that doesn't help him, though...

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And that was what happened in Adelaide. After 3 static shows, he moved around and sang better. Maybe not as much as in Rio, but still noticeable... Maybe somebody should steal all the microphone stands? Or would that throw him into another/a real depression if his beloved white mic stand disappears? :-o

But I feel like they did their due diligence of switching up the setlist for this show and it's being glossed over. It's not a great change but they did change it.

This. Just because people don't like LH or Captain Crash, it doesn't mean it wasn't quite a shake-up, considering the recent years...

They did and it at least gave us some amount of other things to talk about, even though I stand with my opinion that it's (for me) the worst possible combo to open a show.
However, I'm curious to see what will happen if they return to the "big crowd" venues. Remember that on those "smaller" nights, Jon sometimes goes and throws around the setlists, just to return to the vanilla structure once they get back to the standard-sized venues of the tour.
In 2013, they played indoors at the Sydney Entertainment Center and we got a major shake-up all of a sudden with WWWB opening the night etc. In 2011, they did the same at Mohegan Sun (even by arena standards clearly the smallest and most restricted location) with throwing it all upside down.
If he continues to let it loose at least a little bit, I'm all for it!

For real, I wouldn’t surprised lol; in Mexico 2014 his mic stand almost broke and JBJ’s face reaction was like it was literally the end of the world >_< jajaj

I'd be surprised if they didn't have at least two backups of those microphone stands with them :mrgreen:

The only thing I do not understand about the setlist is WSYCGH in 2nd? The only place that song really fits is at the end of the main set or the second-to-last encore, nowhere else, and most definitely not in the beginning. I can live with LH opening, though, although there are better choices (Last Man Standing, Raise Your Hands, etc.)

They have backup of the white mic stand indeed, but who knows what is on JBJ mind >_< hihi

Of course they do, but IIRC the main white mic stand has been around since very early on, right?

It's been around since the SWW tour ;)

Maybe the loss of his original mic stand would hit him as hard as the loss of the original guitarist. In that case, it'll be all over then :mrgreen:

I don't think the loss of anything, other than family, will ever hit him that hard. :(

I think that Jon is a person who doesn't like change in his friends or family and I am sure it really was/is hard for him. If someone just goes away it is just awful, especially if you didn't see it coming. Jon probably has a very structured life and when you have to rely on stability due to the life you lead it is even harder.
I still dont get why Richie did it (like REALLY did it)....

True. Jon comes across as a control freak and perfectionist (at least prior to his current comments about singing great and being better than ever), so he already must have disliked Richie's liabilities, but being left without a guitarist (and that even more than once) on show day must have really hit him hard! Question is: why can't he still (fully) get over it, especially after touring and recording with his "new band"?

You guys are not still seriously trying to blame Jon's current voice on depression!? Come on!....his voice is physically toast. This is not a mental thing....sigh....

His voice is pretty much shot after decades of touring and singing songs that were basically always too high for him to do on a constant schedule. No doubt about that.
But the fact that he can't consistently sing with what is left and it going signifantly up and down from song to song within a show - that I blame on his mental state.

Jon used to be a perfectionist, but I think the thought of having to pull off these shows "alone" (in terms of being pretty much the sole focus on stage without Richie backing him) and the knowledge of his voice fading out around mid-2013 created some sort of anxiety disorder. With that I mean that once it became obvious that there wouldn't be a return of Richie, the fear of not being able to live up to one's own expectations manifested itself (willingly or not) in the back of his head. I was in Munich on the BWC tour and he had to pull out all stops as a performer and frontman to get the crowd going (which was basically dead and not responding after 6 or 7 songs). That night he really went up to 130% or more and I've never seen him working harder on stage. Doing that for one show or one leg is one thing - for the remainder of a tour or career a different animal.
His performance took a huge dip between Europe and the US summer leg in 2013. Up until then, there were constant rumours (even by Richie IIRC) of a return somewhere in Europe, I think Hyde Park had been mentioned as a possibility. Whatever negotiations may have gone on behind the scenes, by the time they returned to the US I think it was clear to the band that Richie wasn't gonna come back.
And thinking about it - Hyde Park (when Phil started LH instead of BTBMB or the other way around) was the last real stink eye I can remember. From then on all that perfectionist attitute started to go out the window as well.

No, it's not, at least not in every register, of we have a very different understanding of the word "toast". If his voice was all shot, sore, whatever you may call it, he wouldn't be able to sing high parts like in LYHOM, the "wait a minute" part (though he didn't go as high as 2011), and so on.

Has his voice deteriorated? Yes, but I'd blame that mostly on aging, since his speaking voice has become darker, too. The rest of his problems I agree with Dominik, I think he's pretty spot on with his comments.

I think you guys are just trying to convince yourselves that Jon's vocal problems will be resolved if he can get over this "depression" or confidence issues and he will then suddenly be back to how he was in 2013. Sorry folks, It's just not going to happen...

And you know that firsthand? ;-) No one knows what will happen. Maybe he will get better than ever before (ok, highligh unlikely, make that better than 2010/11, which is still unlikely, but only included in this list to make a point), maybe somewhere between 2013 and 2015, maybe worse than ever. We will have to wait and see...

No, I think he sounds bad and will continue to sound so. That book's closed. The way he sang a song like Bed of Roses on occasion this tour is the maximum he'll ever get. I just wanted to explain where I think the fluctuations within a show, the unbelievably rapid decline from mid-2013 onwards (where it felt like he basically unlearned how to sing over night) and the fact that he doesn't sound like JBJ anymore come from.

I'm just realistic, based on what we've heard for the last two years. The Jon we knew is long gone I'm afraid, I've pretty much accepted that. You want to believe otherwise and that's up to you, but I have no desire to build up false hope, just to end up disappointed...

When a voice fails fluctuations are pretty normal. Some days will be better than others, some notes will be better than others. There are lots of variables that can affect a voice.

No, I don't want to believe otherwise (or at least I don't, but maybe I want to? Dunno), but I'm not ready to give up every last bit of hope just yet. ;-)

Too much focus on voice,too much of Jon is not happy,he is this,he is that... His voice is listenable,his voice is not cracking like shot voice used to sound. Too much attention on voice,no one say anything about playing,other members,Jon is not all in the band,it is the whole package. In order to make show even better they need acoustic part in the show and let it go hard songs like Ill be there for you and others like Dry county,Hey god,These days( not play yet but still).

Sorry, but I don't find his current voice very listenable in a live situation at all.

As for the rest of the band, there's nothing to discuss, they are all pretty solid. They are well reherased and tight. They are a good band, that just miss that extra spark. Phil X is a great player, but he doesn't have that blues influence that was all the way through Richie's playing and of course Richie's voice is hugely missed also, maybe even more than his guitar style.

Living With The Ghost:
https://youtu.be/61dXkTYZJ_o


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It's so much more than the technical aspect of Richie's style of playing and his vocals that's missing, though God knows, that would be enough. I think Jon depended on Richie a lot more than people realize for sharing the load every show. Richie was his side man, his straight man - I can't think of the right term, but like the Gracie Allen to his George Burns minus the comedy element. He played off of Richie. It helped ease the load of carrying the whole show by himself. If nothing else, it gave him something to look at besides the front row, without turning his back on the audience. And he also knew that when (if) his voice gave out, Richie was there to pick up the slack, either taking over the vocals or distracting from them with the harmonies. He didn't even have to say anything, because Richie watched him like a hawk and he knew when he was struggling.

And no, even if they could resolve whatever went wrong, and Richie were to come back, it won't restore Jon's voice to what it was anymore than it would probably restore Richie's playing to what it was. But I think it might restore some of the confidence and, therefore, some of the showmanship that's missing. And the joy.

JMO

Ok, and now go and tell them that! ;-)

Believe me, if I coulda I woulda. :)

(Shouldn't have to though. They're grown men. They shoulda figured this out 5 -1/2 years ago!) :mad:

Sure, but they're not behaving like it (Richie even worse than Jon, but still), more like 5 year olds in some respects...