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Zakatar 06-24-2019 07:01 AM

The Official July 3 Merkur Spiel-Arena, Düsseldorf, Germany Thread
 
The Official July 3 Merkur Spiel-Arena, Düsseldorf, Germany Thread

Setlists, Predictions, Videos, Disappointments, Complaints...

The last time the band played in Düsseldorf was on July 13, 2011, during The Circle Tour. The setlist was as follows:

01. Happy Now
02. You Give Love a Bad Name
03. Born to Be My Baby
04. We Weren't Born to Follow
05. Superman Tonight
06. It's My Life
07. The More Things Change
08. We Got it Going on
09. Captain Crash & the Beauty Queen From Mars
10. Bad Medicine [w/ Mercy (1st Attempt) and Roadhouse Blues snippets]
11. When We Were Beautiful
12. Mercy [Duffy Cover, 2nd Attempt]
13. What Do You Got?
14. I'll Be There For You
15. Mercy [Duffy Cover, 3rd Attempt]
16. Who Says You Can't Go Home
17. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
18. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night
19. Have a Nice Day
20. Keep the Faith
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21. In These Arms
22. Wanted Dead or Alive
23. Blood on Blood
24. Livin' on a Prayer

Anyone know what the deal with Mercy was at this show?


2019 Setlist:

1. This House is Not For Sale
2. Raise Your Hands
3. You Give Love a Bad Name
4. Born to Be My Baby
5. Whole Lot of Leavin'
6. Lost Highway
7. Runaway
8. We Weren't Born to Follow
9. Have a Nice Day
10. Keep the Faith
11. Amen
12. Bed of Roses
13. Blood on Blood
14. It's My Life
15. We Don't Run
16. Wanted Dead or Alive
17. Lay Your Hands on Me
18. Captain Crash & the Beauty Queen From Mars
19. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
20. Bad Medicine
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21. I'll Be There For You
22. Livin' on a Prayer

Supersonic 06-24-2019 08:16 AM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Zakatar (Post 1256224)

Anyone know what the deal with Mercy was at this show?

Yes. Fans in the front had several banners requesting Mercy and Jon thought it'd be fun to give it a go. He could never get it right as he'd clearly played and sung the song for the last time in 2008. He gave it several shots, asked the band for help and though it was probably great fun for those who requested it this gave the show a weird vibe, especially considering how it wasn't a very good concert to begin with. They started out alright but as the show went on it started to drag with the many false starts of Mercy, What Do You Got and When We Were Beautiful in the main set. It doesn't look bad on paper and it wasn't terrible by any means. It just wasn't very good either.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

efpg0708 06-24-2019 08:33 AM

Dusseldorf 2011 and RIR 2013 were the two worst Bon Jovi shows I’ve ever been to. This one was very boring and Jon was very off vocally. The show never took off, and the Mercy drama was very annoying..

steel_horse75 06-24-2019 10:27 AM

Big gaps between shows. After Coventry sounds like they need it


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rokenrola 06-24-2019 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1256235)
Big gaps between shows. After Coventry sounds like they need it


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I read today that Jon is with family on vacation in Croatia,Cavtat so he will rest good and be ready for new shows.

bonjovi90 06-24-2019 10:11 PM

This will be a warm-up show for Friday. Jon always lays the focus on the last German show and this time it even collides with his favourite stadium. We used to have that in 2001, 2003 and 2006 and they were all pretty good. :)

DavetheGodofKeys 06-25-2019 12:54 AM

This one might be good. The longer break will only do good for Jon and they tend to really like playing Germany, there have been quite a lot of memorable shows in Germany.

bonjovi90 06-25-2019 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1256288)
This one might be good. The longer break will only do good for Jon and they tend to really like playing Germany, there have been quite a lot of memorable shows in Germany.

Except the last time they played there. I still remember the faces of Thierry, Erik, Seb, Kathleen, Paul and so on who had all travelled there just to witness it turn into a complete trainwreck :mrgreen:
However, 2006 was a great one!

JackieBlue 06-25-2019 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1256288)
This one might be good. The longer break will only do good for Jon and they tend to really like playing Germany, there have been quite a lot of memorable shows in Germany.

I hope that will be the case; but it seems like Jon has been improving, on vocals and as a frontman, as the tour progressed. Based on videos, and comments from those who attended the shows, I had about reached the conclusion that maybe Jon and the band just needed to settle into the groove, and that the first few shows weren't as good because they were still warming up, so to speak. So my only concern with a long break is that it's going to be like starting all over again. (Pun acknowledged, but not intended.) :)
On the other hand, having more than one or two days off may help Tico. It's possible that he picked up a bug or something, right before this leg started, and just didn't have time to fully recover before Moscow. That may be wishful thinking; but something like that could explain why he suddenly seems so tired and a little off his game. If that's the case, the rest would definitely be good for him.

It's not that I disagree with those who are concerned that Tico's struggles on this leg may be due to him getting older, because aging could certainly play a part. But unless there's something else going on, I think that's something we would notice more gradually, not virtually overnight. Maybe others remember it differently; but I don't recall any discussions from last year about anything being off in his performance, even towards the end of the last leg. That was only 6 months ago; and speaking as someone who's getting older herself, age-related changes don't typically manifest themselves that quickly.

Tictoc 06-25-2019 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1256296)



It's not that I disagree with those who are concerned that Tico's struggles on this leg may be due to him getting older, because aging could certainly play a part. But unless there's something else going on, I think that's something we would notice more gradually, not virtually overnight. Maybe others remember it differently; but I don't recall any discussions from last year about anything being off in his performance, even towards the end of the last leg. That was only 6 months ago; and speaking as someone who's getting older herself, age-related changes don't typically manifest themselves that quickly.


I've always kept a keen eye on the hitman and I don't think he's quite enjoying himself anymore and the pace may be getting to him.

He's such a hard hitter that he will inevitably not be able to keep up with the performances as he ages. I'm pretty sure Ticos_stick said the same thing earlier.

Springsteen's drummer Max is 70 and can easily go for 3+ hours but his style has never been overly heavy so he can keep up without becoming exhausted. The same can be said for The Stones, Fleetwood Mac etc

He's also been playing outdoors in a wet and chilly European summer with lots of travelling which definitely wouldn't have helped his performances.

JackieBlue 06-25-2019 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tictoc (Post 1256298)
I've always kept a keen eye on the hitman and I don't think he's quite enjoying himself anymore and the pace may be getting to him.

He's such a hard hitter that he will inevitably not be able to keep up with the performances as he ages. I'm pretty sure Ticos_stick said the same thing earlier.

Springsteen's drummer Max is 70 and can easily go for 3+ hours but his style has never been overly heavy so he can keep up without becoming exhausted. The same can be said for The Stones, Fleetwood Mac etc

He's also been playing outdoors in a wet and chilly European summer with lots of travelling which definitely wouldn't have helped his performances.


I don't disagree with anything you said. 100% he hasn't seemed to be enjoying some of these shows as he has in the past. I think it was Moscow that I noticed that he seemed like it was requiring more effort and, frankly, looked plain worn out, like he was just trying to get through the set. Maybe he's just tired of the whole shebang.

I admit that I could be in left field about something besides age (or in combination with age) being the primary cause of what we're seeing. But if it's just getting older, it sure caught up with him fast.

Zakatar 06-25-2019 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tictoc (Post 1256298)
Springsteen's drummer Max is 70 and can easily go for 3+ hours but his style has never been overly heavy so he can keep up without becoming exhausted. The same can be said for The Stones, Fleetwood Mac etc

Max is 68, just 3 years older than Tico, and unlike Tico he hasn't been a smoker most of his life. Tico's endurance and lung capacity are likely reduced in comparison due to this.

I think the tour for the next album will probably be Tico's last.

Tictoc 06-25-2019 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zakatar (Post 1256303)
Max is 68, just 3 years older than Tico, and unlike Tico he hasn't been a smoker most of his life. Tico's endurance and lung capacity are likely reduced in comparison due to this.



I think the tour for the next album will probably be Tico's last.

Yeah, there's no doubt that smoking has played a part too, especially as his style is physically demanding.

Max is a great drummer with perfect technique which helps too. He's never hunched over his set. He lets his wrists do the work.

Jonny Sambora 06-25-2019 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1256290)
Except the last time they played there. I still remember the faces of Thierry, Erik, Seb, Kathleen, Paul and so on who had all travelled there just to witness it turn into a complete trainwreck :mrgreen:

However, 2006 was a great one!

The 06 gig was great!

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Juls Sambora 07-01-2019 09:31 PM

Has the band already arrived in Germany?

bonjovi90 07-01-2019 10:39 PM

According to his IG posts, Phil X arrived in Dusseldorf today.

taker5962 07-02-2019 12:48 PM

Doors : 17:00
Def Leppard : 18:30
Bon Jovi : 20:30

So, 90 minutes for Def Leppard and Full Hysteria setlist

Kathleen 07-02-2019 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1256290)
Except the last time they played there. I still remember the faces of Thierry, Erik, Seb, Kathleen, Paul and so on who had all travelled there just to witness it turn into a complete trainwreck :mrgreen:
However, 2006 was a great one!

Yeah - I remember that too :( To be fair however, the rest of that tour was fantastic.

bonjovi90 07-02-2019 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1256506)
Yeah - I remember that too :( To be fair however, the rest of that tour was fantastic.

Definitely. Mannheim more than made up for it 3 days later :)

jazzsta 07-02-2019 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by taker5962 (Post 1256500)
Doors : 17:00
Def Leppard : 18:30
Bon Jovi : 20:00

WOW ! Never thought I 'd see a day where the Doors support Bon Jovi !

Thierry 07-02-2019 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jazzsta (Post 1256515)
WOW ! Never thought I 'd see a day where the Doors support Bon Jovi !

Hahaha easily the worst joke of the year. Haha haha 😂

BJFan99 07-03-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzsta (Post 1256515)
wow ! Never thought i 'd see a day where the doors support bon jovi !

LMFAO :D :D :D That was honestly funny.

steel_horse75 07-03-2019 11:06 AM

Big rest so I think JBJ will be on top form tonight

bonjovi90 07-03-2019 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1256522)
Big rest so I think JBJ will be on top form tonight

My prediction is that they'll be doing around 21/22 songs tonight. The rest was big enough to make Jon a bit rusty tonight [emoji2]

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klaus 07-03-2019 01:23 PM

Does anyone know if you can get into front of stage with front of stage tickets if you arrive at 7pm or later? Or will the FOS area eventually be filled with normal tickets?

bonjovi90 07-03-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by klaus (Post 1256524)
Does anyone know if you can get into front of stage with front of stage tickets if you arrive at 7pm or later? Or will the FOS area eventually be filled with normal tickets?

That's rarely been the case in the past. Usually (unless there's a huge amount of unsold FOS tickets which isn't the case), you can walk into that area 10 minutes before the show. They have a separate entrance anyway.

Thierry 07-03-2019 08:05 PM

FOS is already packed. I’m surprised Def Leppard is playing right now. I wonder if it’s live though.

faith1985 07-03-2019 09:10 PM

I hope everybody is having a great show tonight!!!

liljovi93 07-03-2019 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1256522)
Big rest so I think JBJ will be on top form tonight

As a frontman, yeah. He has been anyway. Set list wise, no.

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bonjovi90 07-03-2019 09:55 PM

1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Raise Your Hands
3. You Give Love A Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby
5. Whole Lot Of Leavin'
6. Lost Highway
7. Runaway
8. We Weren't Born To Follow
9. Have A Nice Day
10. Keep The Faith
11. Amen
12. Bed Of Roses
13. Blood On Blood
14. It's My Life
15. We Don't Run
16. Wanted Dead Or Alive
17. Lay Your Hands On Me
18. Captain Crash & The Beauty Queen From Mars
19. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead
20. Bad Medicine

Encore:
21. I'll Be There For You
22. Livin' On A Prayer

Jon is in a good mood and his voice apparently pretty good tonight!

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VinceBJ 07-03-2019 10:21 PM

lol Jon sang the wrong pre-chorus in have a nice day


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liljovi93 07-03-2019 10:30 PM

Thanks for the updates.

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bonjovi90 07-03-2019 10:55 PM

Audience overall pretty good, not necessarily in the FOS areas though. Comment from a friend: "I don't get why people pay so much money for these upfront tickets and then don't care about the songs and don't know them."

MrIks from Finland 07-03-2019 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1256534)
1. This House Is Not For Sale
2. Raise Your Hands
3. You Give Love A Bad Name
4. Born To Be My Baby
5. Whole Lot Of Leavin'
6. Lost Highway
7. Runaway
8. We Weren't Born To Follow
9. Have A Nice Day
10. Keep The Faith
11. Amen
12. Bed Of Roses
13. Blood On Blood
14. It's My Life
15. We Don't Run
16. Wanted Dead Or Alive
17. Lay Your Hands On Me
18. Captain Crash & The Beauty Queen From Mars

Jon is in a good mood and his voice apparently pretty good tonight!

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Also a killer set so far!

bonjovi90 07-03-2019 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrIks from Finland (Post 1256538)
Also a killer set so far!

So far I've just copy/pasted it from Wembley, they're at LYHOM right now. But all predictions have been correct :)

JackieBlue 07-03-2019 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1256539)
So far I've just copy/pasted it from Wembley, they're at LYHOM right now. But all predictions have been correct :)

How's Tico? Does he still seem to be tired or "off"?

bonjovi90 07-03-2019 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1256540)
How's Tico? Does he still seem to be tired or "off"?

No idea, I'm not there:mrgreen:

faith1985 07-03-2019 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1256541)
No idea, I'm not there:mrgreen:

:) But you are in Munich, right?

bonjovi90 07-03-2019 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1256542)
:) But you are in Munich, right?

Yes :) Originally had tickets for Dusseldorf as well, but figured one these two was enough :D

bonjovi90 07-03-2019 11:33 PM

So we're close to the encore break and the most (only?) exciting time in terms of predictions. What will open the encore?
Our WhatsApp group has Always, These Days, Someday I'll Be Saturday Night or ITA as predictions. I think that'll cover it :)


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