They pitched it one way and spun it in a completely diffent direction.

There are other interviews done too where comments were made like "we're opening the Vaults" and even gave specifics like the Directs Cut and a song called Halo...

This is a what come first, the chicken or the egg scenario.

Sales for this are probably disappointing so now they dont have the clout to support it the way they wanted... But if they did go all in, they would get more members because a lot held out to see what the deal was.

All they needed to do from Day 1 was put a live Soundboard of Cadillac Man out there and their memberships would have gone through the roof. Instead they fed us crap and still continue to feed us more crap.

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I hear ya, it's been a disappointing drop. But again, how many of the people bitching here paid for it? How many of the fans that signed up ACTUALLY want something rare? They could have better sales, for sure, but the people that want the shit we're begging for jumped ship long ago and probably aren't taking the gamble on $80 for a band they stopped caring about three albums ago.

You've seen the numbers the trips get and those are in the THOUSANDS of dollars per person. You don't think every one of those people is paying $80 a YEAR? They're playing for the audience they know they can sell to instead of the one that requires them to actually work at it.

Even if something super rare came from it, again, it's so easy to pirate this stuff and the hardcore fanbase is so small I still don't see the majority of them paying for the membership.

As I said a few months ago, Jon was reviewing the albums in a minute on Instagram. Even him doing something like that properly on the experience would be better than what’s happened.

Every album track by by track, telling us the story behind it, why it was chosen, why songs weren’t chosen, does he still like it etc.

Could do 10-15 mins on each one but even that is too much effort. He started it and got bored after about 3 albums and the videos got shorter and shorter.

Something so simple and free to Jon would go down so well but no, he can’t be arsed.


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Wasn't justifying it at all, just giving a possible reason. Agree completely.

This!!

What bugs me is that over the last year a lot of bands have done this kind of thing via Patreon campaigns or whatever, but most of them have really put the effort to make it value for money...it really doesn't feel like the JBJ team have not really put in much effort at all. It just feels like a cash grab - which to an extent all of these things are BUT if you make people feel that it's worthwhile then it works. When everyone outside of the hardcore "we love everything" crew think it's awful you are doing it wrong

I know i've mentioned it before, but hell, Leppard put so much more effort into their new Vault website and it was FREE!!!!

Any way you spin it there is no justifying this sh*t show...

Thinking about it, it's an interesting fact that with the This House Is Not For Sale Tour it was the very first time they offered an audio of each show to the fans (at least for one leg if I remember correct).
So my guess would be that this is a result of the new freedom through the new contract.

I remember that in that streaming with the fans, Jon said something like ... I have nothing to do this year, so I am going to invest this time for you, implying that they were working looking for material from the vaults, mentioning a lot of unreleased songs with just your little finger. 8 months later there is absolutely nothing like that, and I doubt very much that in the following 4 months of subscription that miracle will happen, unless people stop justifying that JBJ EX is great and begin to demand more of them.

We are talking about 80 dollars .... Jon is a guy who now lives in Miami, a businessman, he knows very well that he is giving absolutely nothing, the fan base that defends this disaster of Experience are ... very naives.

I’ve said this before but the vast majority of Bon Jovi fans have no interest in purchasing a music related product. This has been proven by the still impressive ticket sales for tours but poor album performance. If even a quarter of those outside the US (as they got their albums free with their ticket) who attended shows actually bought the album/singles they would have had big hits on their hands. Even the excellent New Jersey anniversary edition tanked as the majority arent interested in the music.

They are however interested in the tours, meeting friends, having a day out at the show and worshipping all things Jon etc. There is simply no demand for unreleased tracks outside forums like these. Even on here it’s just the same handful of posters posting (those actually into the music) the old music fan base has gone/ been lost which is why the JBJ experience doesn’t need to cater for it.

Any post tweeted by Matt such as “boxes coming soon” gets replies of “thank you for all you do for us” even though they are receiving a crappy service. These fans are the cash cow for the band now and have been for almost 10 years already. Even David has a Cameo account now. Is he really that short of $$$ that he needs to charge fans up to $400 to wish them a happy birthday? This is Bon Jovi in 2021. Is there another band on the planet of similar stature who are seemingly so embarrassed by their past or treat their fans as poorly?

This is a starved fanbase. We talk about Jon catering to the fans who will pay for this crap. We are ignoring the fact he only has them left to cater to because he drove the band in a straight line towards those types of fans over the last 20 years.

It is not by chance that it is these fans Jon has left in great numbers. He wanted them, he wanted what the band is today. So, that means the ones like us on this board who actually still put the music first (it is all I ever cared about) have dwindled. We are the ones left behind.

Those album mini reviews Jon was doing are a great example. They were about the music and I enjoyed them even if they were incredibly lazy and too short. Those 30-60 seconds were an example of Jon talking about the music for perhaps the first time in 15 years? Clearly he stopped doing them because he thought they were not worth it. I guess only fans like us care about the idea of Jon doing a 15-minute review of a past album.

For all Jon's talk about being an aging artist, he is closer to the Backstreet Boys than he is Springsteen, Dylan, or whoever else he wishes he was.

I wonder how a "making of the album" thing would go for BJ. I think there is a bit on Slippery, but AFAIK not like the "classic albums" series thing where people talk about the writing and recording for an hour or more straight. The weird thing is, Jon loved to talk about this and he prided himself as a song writer. So much that he constantly had to play up that angle. I don't remember Springsteen ever explicitly drumming up his own input, and he's a solo artist! He'd mention the wonderful playing by his band and what not. Last time I remember Jon doing that was TLFR. Otherwise, it's more like "I wrote this song", and then you check and it's got two co-writers.

It really seems like he's an aging cheerleader that used to get likes for "deep poetry" on Instagram, and might have been all along (or at least for quite some time). It's kinda disheartening. Was the guy who wrote The Fire Inside and Bed of Roses just an act? I kinda refuse to believe that. And the ****ed up thing is, I dig 2020 if for Blood in the Water alone. But the whole context of it seriously drags it down and lessens the impact.

Oh well.