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jovifan93 04-28-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1273378)
Well....I have no idea about production. So that's why I'm asking: Is it really the production that makes the songs sound like artist xyz or is it much more the way the songwriter writes it?
To me a producer has a hand in which instrument you can hear (or not), how prominent a mix is and how clear the sound comes out. But I can't imagine that a producer makes Livin' On A Prayer sound like AC/DC while the other one makes it sound like Soul Asylum and a third one makes it sound like the Backstreets Boys. To me that depends on the song, the hooks, the melody, the harmonics the songwriter writes. But please, correct me if I'm wrong.
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So to break it down once again: Up until DA, Jon wrote a song for the sake of the song. With the beginning of Crush he mostly wrote a song for the hope of having a hit.

Great breakdown, I'm afraid I have to agree 100% on this.

Alphavictim 04-28-2021 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by liljovi93 (Post 1273390)
What songs do you think Bowie stole/copied?



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He didn't steal any particular songs, but when he made a heavily drum & bass inspired album, he flat out said so. No "I never had a rapper on one of my songs, I never went grunge" bullshitting, he said that he found the music to be exciting and wanted to incoprorate elements of it into the album.

Thinny 04-28-2021 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1273372)
Yeah I think we're saying the same thing here. It got worse with Shanks but it also got more noticeable.

There's a small nagging part of me that still doesn't understand why we give him a pass for doing it during Destination Anywhere and beyond, an album we hold in high regard, and mad at him for doing it now, you know? I guess if it's about the age range, sure I totally get it. But copping off popular things to seem more relevant isn't as frowned upon if we collectively all like the end product I think.

I also think that back in the 90s his rip offs were more subtle...more about a sound or style...some of his more recent output have been direct rip offs of certains songs. I think he walks a fine line between being influenced by and ripping off...

Rdkopper 04-28-2021 04:29 PM

Ticket prices come out at noon. Can't wait to see this fiasco... I love how they even make this one day advance ticket purchase part of The Experience.

Someone must be thinking "Hey, Let's rip everyone off a day early"


Can we request a change in name from The Experience to "A Whole Lotta Nothing"?

That's all it is. Just a bunch of nothing...

We couldn't even get a Soundboard version of Right Side Of Wrong without Jon "Yeahing" through it the entire time.



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Jack27 04-29-2021 09:11 AM

Yeah agreed - this whole Experience is a bit of a joke.

I had an e-mail this morning saying that pre-sale ends soon. I DON’T EVEN KNOW IF IT’S GETTING SHOWN IN ENGLAND LET ALONE WHERE IF IS!

Alphavictim 04-29-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1273413)
Yeah agreed - this whole Experience is a bit of a joke.

I had an e-mail this morning saying that pre-sale ends soon. I DON’T EVEN KNOW IF IT’S GETTING SHOWN IN ENGLAND LET ALONE WHERE IF IS!

Bon Jovi of all bands drumming up events like they are the biggest band in the world, trying to create hype, but completely unable to provide solid answers, making them seem like snake oil salesmen?

Man this is still the same corporate "exclusive experience" lingo they've been using since the Bounce days, only it seems utterly shady by now. Is this what the "CEO" thinks succesfull companies do?

polevka 04-29-2021 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1273372)
There's a small nagging part of me that still doesn't understand why we give him a pass for doing it during Destination Anywhere and beyond, an album we hold in high regard, and mad at him for doing it now, you know? I guess if it's about the age range, sure I totally get it. But copping off popular things to seem more relevant isn't as frowned upon if we collectively all like the end product I think.

I think the reason is the Internet. Before it you had to know the song he was copying from. Nowadays it is very likely someone will point it out to you in a forum, under a video. And you can immediately listen and compare.

Back in the old days it was often times the Bon Jovi song you heard first and when you by chance found similarities somewhere, you first had to check which song was released first.

Captain_jovi 04-29-2021 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by polevka (Post 1273415)
I think the reason is the Internet. Before it you had to know the song he was copying from. Nowadays it is very likely someone will point it out to you in a forum, under a video. And you can immediately listen and compare.

Back in the old days it was often times the Bon Jovi song you heard first and when you by chance found similarities somewhere, you first had to check which song was released first.

This is such a good point I did not consider. It was easier to get away with it and not fact check when it was harder to find specific songs without paying.

Burlhouse 05-01-2021 08:12 PM

Working on something for the JBJ Experience.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COVegAsA...=1h1rt3f0x9emo


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Supersonic 05-01-2021 08:30 PM

Aloha !

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1273419)
This is such a good point I did not consider. It was easier to get away with it and not fact check when it was harder to find specific songs without paying.

But if that were true then surely nowadays people would've pointed out the similarities in the older songs as well?

These Days sounds like the mid-nineties but is a mix of various influences as much as Crush is a mix of what was popular late nineties. But the rockers on Bounce, in a nutshell, sound pretty much like Creed meets Linkin Park. Instead of copying the sound of an era they've started copying the sound of the 3 most popular bands.

I think this is why it's not as easy to come up with as many similar songs for the first 6 records as it is for everything that's followed since. Sure, it's happened in the past as well. Last Man Standing is a copy of Turn The Page as much as Bitter Wine is a copy of Shooting Star. Never Say Goodbye is a Southside Johnny song. Yes, Hearts Breaking Even is essentially a rewrite of Aerosmith's Cryin' but you can't sing the melody of Cryin' over Hearts Breakin' Even like you can sing It's My Life over and over and over again on close to 10 songs that've followed that one. With 2020 you can almost song for song say what "inspired" Jon to come up with this stuff. You just can't do the same with the older records.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan


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