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This is 08 and THINFS came out in 2016...Amazing how Jon has gone from looking well to so old in 8 years. It's not all from just grey hair but I think Richie leaving aged him 25 years.
His vocals are starting to sound a bit thin here.

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I remember people complaining about Jon sounding quite bad in Prayer there (for its time) and the encore choice was dreadful, but the first half was nice.

And Richie's voice crack in Wanted with Jon's look over was great [emoji23]

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That's not the point you were trying to make. You compared Bon Jovi to other acts "who don't mix it up". Meanwhile, going by the rare songs you mentioned, you've seen about 1 show per tour. Despite Bon Jovi supposedly mixing it up per show the overlap of songs is bigger between tours than it is with other acts who actually do change it up. Chances are would you have seen the same amount of shows by another band you'd have seen a lot more different songs than you would with Bon Jovi.

Saying I'm expecting too much is odd considering out of all shows you've seen chances are at least 15 songs have been there every night. Then there's the new stuff so on top of that you've heard about 2 or 3 different songs. And you're saying I'm expecting too much? Your expectations are just way too low and you're clearly not aware of how other bands deal with setlists.

This is exactly the point many people who've critisized the setlists have tried to make. You're really not getting that much variety and you're essentially seeing the same show over and over and over and over again. This changed slightly during the 2010/2011 tour but even that one had so many songs that were there in 2008 as well. And then everything that followed after 2011 was essentially the Lost Highway setlist + some songs from What About Now. So much for variety.

Since 2001 I've seen a little over 30 Bon Jovi shows. Out of those 30 shows 17 songs were there every single night. Considering how Bon Jovi have played an average of 24 songs per night the change is little considering how of those other 7 songs at least 4 were new ones. People saying Bon Jovi mix it up are delusional. I saw Aerosmith play 6 times this past decade, all on a different tour spread out over 3 continents. And although they play roughly the same set every night 1/3 of the set was stuff they hadn't played last time I saw them play.

I've bought tickets for 2 different Aerosmith shows in 2 different countries and I know I'll get to hear a lot of stuff I haven't heard before. Meanwhile, if you buy a ticket for a Bon Jovi show you're lucky if you'll get 1 or 2 different songs spread out over 2 different countries. Sure, the order gets mixed up a bit but the differences between shows are really not that big as both some fans and the band say they are.

Imagine a Bon Jovi show of which 1/3 is completely new to you as you didn't hear it last time you saw the band. It'd mean the following for their last setlist:

This House Is Not for Sale
Something not played last tour
Something not played last tour
You Give Love a Bad Name
Something not played last tour
Something not played last tour
In These Arms
Something not played last tour
Keep the Faith
Something not played last tour
It's My Life
Something not played last tour
We Don't Run
Wanted Dead or Alive
Bad Medicine
Encore:
I'll Be There for You
Livin' on a Prayer

I've kept all the new stuff in there, kept all the big hits in there but everything else has been taken out and could be replaced by something else. This is what your average band does per tour.

I've no idea what you're watching but the band is having an off night here. That show was trashed once it was aired. Jon's pretty much flat from start to finish and performs completely on auto-pilot while the band zones out all the time. Just have a look on everyones faces during the first song (when press is allowed to take pictures) and then the rest of the show. For a good 2,5 hours no one gives a ****.

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Sebastiaan

I have no idea what you were watching ;-) Yes, Jon seems on auto pilot here and there, but also adds passion and emotion on other occasions. And yes, he's flat in some spots, but not overall. On the contrary, I find his voice much fuller than in 2011 for example, and there are glimpses of his old voice and rasp throughout the show.

Yeah, it's scary, isn't it? I mean on some pictures his face still doesn't seem all that different (albeit a bit wider ;-)), but the hair doesn't help and that you have to dread every note he's singing...

And I stand by that. Most mainstream live acts stick to a fairly rigid set list, simple Internet searches tell you that. Again, I've seen enough variety from Bon Jovi to be satisfied. Bon Jovi have been anything but rigid, when you factor in the fact Jon may change the order around while not specifically playing something different.

My expectations aren't low at all, I'm just not selfish enough to expect because I'm there and I've heard Captain Crash 76 times, Jon may play Stick to Your Guns instead. Get off your pedestal you muppet.



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I've no idea why that tone and insult is needed as I don't think I've not insulted you in any way? As for your argument, you just don't seem to understand what people have tried to say. The very fact that you're satisfied with the amount of supposed changes you're getting which really aren't changes at all compared to other acts shows your bar is low.

Yes, bands keep the same set throughout the same tour. But the next tour half their set has changed. With Bon Jovi this just isn't the case as, minus the new songs, everything else but just 2 songs is completely similar. Even with Hyde Park, the differences between 2011 and 2013 were just 7 songs:

Raise Your Hands
I Love This Town
Blaze of Glory
Lay Your Hands on Me
I'll Be There for You
Hey God
Love's The Only Rule

That's considered mixing it up to you? Out of that list there's 1 song you'd just not expect at a Bon Jovi. This variety you're speaking of isn't there.

So unless you can show me a band who changes about as much per tour as Bon Jovi does with A "simple internet search" you're just flat out wrong. How many bands play 1 completely new song per tour to their audience? Your simple internet search ought to show you that right away as both me and semigoodlooking have tried to explain to you. I've no idea why this is so hard to understand.

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Sebastiaan

If I recall correctly they were all quite ill at the time - Richie certainly sounds unusually off a lot of the time. The Yokohama show they recorded for intended release a few days later was scrapped due to the sickness.

That Yokohama show was in 2003 ;)
But it's like in 1996 where the TV broadcast gets hyped while it actually was the band's off night and the other nights were much better.

Watching back that Tokyo gig, it may appear good by today's standards, but the It's My Life performance can put one to sleep.
Their Rock in Rio broadcasts in 2008 and 2010 were much more exciting in my opinion.

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Yes, it might not have been the best night of the tour, but still I think there are some really good performances in it. A very good SIBSN, probably the best TRSMLT performance I've ever seen (maybe due to the backing vocals being more noticeable in the chorus), a very good AOD, and so on.

But yes, IBTF for example was as dull as it has been for the last few years, and I admit there were times when Jon looked like he's on auto pilot, only to look like he's really in it a few moments later. Really strange when you think about it.

You're right though that the show shines compared to recent years, and probably because the sound and mix and the overall quality is superb.