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rolo_tomachi 01-17-2021 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1271750)
Or they have a schedule that favours the back half of January because everyone is winding down from the holidays. Just saying, keep the faith man but be patient.

Sure, but I also like to make noise, if they do not hear the noise, then they will think that there is no interest, and it is not my case, I am very interested, so I can not wait for the gems.

I don't think this is a negative thing. It is simply a message to Jon and the others not to rest on their laurels, that we are already in the third month.

Captain_jovi 01-17-2021 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1271751)
Sure, but I also like to make noise, if they do not hear the noise, then they will think that there is no interest, and it is not my case, I am very interested, so I can not wait for the gems.

I don't think this is a negative thing. It is simply a message to Jon and the others not to rest on their laurels, that we are already in the third month.

Gotcha.

I hope hope hope hope we get Halo this month though, I want some good stuff.

Santa Fe 01-20-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1271752)
Gotcha.

I hope hope hope hope we get Halo this month though, I want some good stuff.

Yes , I am waiting for that :eek:

rolo_tomachi 01-21-2021 09:52 PM

I just got a Strike on Youtube from Billy Falcon's Halo performance that he posted on his Facebook. I have no idea how to get that strike removed, they blocked my video, but then I deleted it as a precaution.

I suppose if they have done this, is it because the song will soon be available on JBJ Experience?


It is the last time I upload these things on youtube. Something similar already happened to me with the video Richie Sambora - I Don't Want to Have to Need You Now, they blocked my account for a while, the funny thing is that another user downloaded my video before being blocked and put it on his YouTube channel, it's still there.

Thoughts?

Captain_jovi 01-21-2021 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1271819)
I just got a Strike on Youtube from Billy Falcon's Halo performance that he posted on his Facebook. I have no idea how to get that strike removed, they blocked my video, but then I deleted it as a precaution.

I suppose if they have done this, is it because the song will soon be available on JBJ Experience?


It is the last time I upload these things on youtube. Something similar already happened to me with the video Richie Sambora - I Don't Want to Have to Need You Now, they blocked my account for a while, the funny thing is that another user downloaded my video before being blocked and put it on his YouTube channel, it's still there.

Thoughts?

Interesting, did they say who the strike is from? I don't know if it means it will be up soon. I don't know enough about the way copywrights work in this case. It's not a studio recording but of a cover of a song someone wrote, it may be registered by the band, that's all I can think of. The Richie one makes absolute sense for the label to come after people but the cover of Halo is the head scratcher.

rolo_tomachi 01-21-2021 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1271820)
Interesting, did they say who the strike is from?

Billy Falcon himself. I'm going to have to send him my apologies for posting this without his permission. I love the guy, and it wasn't my intention to create trouble.

Captain_jovi 01-21-2021 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1271821)
Billy Falcon himself. I'm going to have to send him my apologies for posting this without his permission. I love the guy, and it wasn't my intention to create trouble.

If that's the case it wouldn't have much to do with the Experience. I remember hearing he was supposed to an authorized Bon Jovi convention gig but pulled out when the band's management told him not to, so I don't know if this is them flexing telling him not to do covers of unreleased songs OR him acting on it. I don't know why he would though.

Litneg 01-22-2021 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1271819)
I just got a Strike on Youtube from Billy Falcon's Halo performance that he posted on his Facebook. I have no idea how to get that strike removed, they blocked my video, but then I deleted it as a precaution.

I suppose if they have done this, is it because the song will soon be available on JBJ Experience?


It is the last time I upload these things on youtube. Something similar already happened to me with the video Richie Sambora - I Don't Want to Have to Need You Now, they blocked my account for a while, the funny thing is that another user downloaded my video before being blocked and put it on his YouTube channel, it's still there.

Thoughts?

Maybe it's just occasional and the algorithms found similar the sound on the video and billy's FB page and block for its something recent. I remember there's him singing This House acoustically on YouTube and it hasn't been blocked.

Rdkopper 01-23-2021 04:13 PM

Two months in and nothing on the Experience. Talk about a shitty deal. Not to mention even a shittier job promoting it. Jon should be blowing this up all over social media. Something like this that is strictly for diehards is easy to promote. Just post one video and fans will spread the word.

They should have prepared more in advance and mapped it out better for fans too. Give us dates on what to expect. When you pay for something in advance, you should get some type of breakdown of what or when to expect things...

After showing us a warehouse full of material, I thought we'd be getting material weekly (or at least monthly).

You have 90 days to put in a credit card claim and that's my limit. It's not my fault that they suck at promoting things... they let stuff just die off...

Jon also needs to become cool again. When Elvis gained weight, his diehards still saw him as he was back in the younger days but the general public knew he was a mess... After seeing people call Jon a Golden Girl all week, it's time to do something... He is not a silver fox - his hair is not grey. I'm totally fine with his age but that hair just has to go. Elvis at least kept his voice and some say that it even improved.

Jon's fanbase is definitely thinning out.

He is not singing like he used to (which I don't fault him for), his look is terrible (he does not have the hair texture for that style anymore), and they constantly let diehard fans down because they never give us anything worthy.

There is really nothing left to get excited about









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Captain_jovi 01-23-2021 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1271858)
Two months in and nothing on the Experience. Talk about a shitty deal. Not to mention even a shittier job promoting it. Jon should be blowing this up all over social media. Something like this that is strictly for diehards is easy to promote. Just post one video and fans will spread the word.

They should have prepared more in advance and mapped it out better for fans too. Give us dates on what to expect. When you pay for something in advance, you should get some type of breakdown of what or when to expect things...

After showing us a warehouse full of material, I thought we'd be getting material weekly (or at least monthly).

You have 90 days to put in a credit card claim and that's my limit. It's not my fault that they suck at promoting things... they let stuff just die off...

Jon also needs to become cool again. When Elvis gained weight, his diehards still saw him as he was back in the younger days but the general public knew he was a mess... After seeing people call Jon a Golden Girl all week, it's time to do something... He is not a silver fox - his hair is not grey. I'm totally fine with his age but that hair just has to go. Elvis at least kept his voice and some say that it even improved.

Jon's fanbase is definitely thinning out.

He is not singing like he used to (which I don't fault him for), his look is terrible (he does not have the hair texture for that style anymore), and they constantly let diehard fans down because they never give us anything worthy.

There is really nothing left to get excited about









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You bring up his hair a LOT and I just don't get it. I can't imagine the way he looks ever effecting the way I enjoy the band.

I don't think he's not letting down the fanbase, he's letting down this side of the fan base. We stopped mattering so so so long ago.

EDIT: Everything else you're saying is bang on though. They could be doing so more with this. So little thought is put into what's next, when it's coming, what's on the horizon. I can see why they made this an annual cost and not a monthly, enough of us would be bailing by now otherwise.

Rdkopper 01-23-2021 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1271859)
You bring up his hair a LOT and I just don't get it. I can't imagine the way he looks ever effecting the way I enjoy the band.

I don't think he's not letting down the fanbase, he's letting down this side of the fan base. We stopped mattering so so so long ago.

EDIT: Everything else you're saying is bang on though. They could be doing so more with this. So little thought is put into what's next, when it's coming, what's on the horizon. I can see why they made this an annual cost and not a monthly, enough of us would be bailing by now otherwise.

That look is definitely not helping him hold onto his casual fans... That whole Golden Girl photo was posted by someone I follow on FB and here are the comments that were posted. These girls were all casual fans and would go to a show 10 years ago... Now he's losing them. This is why he'll stop selling stadiums... Backstage members will only get you so far... When Jon came to town, people would want to go see him... But when I read these comments below, it makes me cringe.

- WTF happened to him!!!! Wow!!!!

- That hair tho!!!![emoji30][emoji23]

- He was so good looking back then, Now he’s just a damn mess [emoji1787]

- This is great!! [emoji23]

- omg[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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Captain_jovi 01-24-2021 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1271861)
That look is definitely not helping him hold onto his casual fans... That whole Golden Girl photo was posted by someone I follow on FB and here are the comments that were posted. These girls were all casual fans and would go to a show 10 years ago... Now he's losing them. This is why he'll stop selling stadiums... Backstage members will only get you so far... When Jon came to town, people would want to go see him... But when I read these comments below, it makes me cringe.

- WTF happened to him!!!! Wow!!!!

- That hair tho!!!![emoji30][emoji23]

- He was so good looking back then, Now he’s just a damn mess [emoji1787]

- This is great!! [emoji23]

- omg[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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But there's a bunch of comments where people say the opposite. You like to use negative comments to fuel how you feel but it doesn't really mean anything man. None of this matters. It's just what you think about it.

YOVANAfromPeru 01-24-2021 03:04 AM

So what is your suggestion?
All bald???
I don't think there are too much to do. He is already a little bald.
And I don't think he wants short brown hair like yours...

jovifan93 01-25-2021 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1271865)
So what is your suggestion?
All bald???
I don't think there are too much to do. He is already a little bald.
And I don't think he wants short brown hair like yours...

I don't often agree with Rd, but here I do. The look he sported in 2016, when the THINFS promo shows happened, suits him best IMO. If he wants to keep the gray hair, then make it shorter.

rolo_tomachi 01-25-2021 05:16 PM

There are only 7 days left to finish the month of January.
Do you think they will update JBJ Experience with something new?

Santa Fe 01-25-2021 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1271896)
There are only 7 days left to finish the month of January.
Do you think they will update JBJ Experience with something new?

They should:)

Litneg 01-26-2021 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1271896)
There are only 7 days left to finish the month of January.
Do you think they will update JBJ Experience with something new?

And there you go: new video there.

Rdkopper 01-26-2021 01:35 AM

Just Jon going through old wardrobe. Very cool but not worth 80 bucks.

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YOVANAfromPeru 01-26-2021 05:57 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/byXXYzWn/25-01-21-Jon-Bon-Jovi.png

steel_horse75 01-26-2021 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1271910)
Just Jon going through old wardrobe. Very cool but not worth 80 bucks.

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The women loved it going by twitter.
Money for old rope at the moment


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faith1985 01-26-2021 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1271925)
The women loved it going by twitter.
Money for old rope at the moment


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It is a start.. And the storage room touched my inner archiving nerd 🤓🤓

jovifan93 01-26-2021 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1271927)
It is a start.. And the storage room touched my inner archiving nerd 🤓🤓

I just wonder why he said they were archiving all that stuff. Is it because of the JBJ Experience? Is it because he's moving fully to Florida? Is it because he's closing the book on the band?

Nige 01-26-2021 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1271928)
I just wonder why he said they were archiving all that stuff. Is it because of the JBJ Experience? Is it because he's moving fully to Florida? Is it because he's closing the book on the band?

I strongly suspect it's because there is nothing else to do right now.

faith1985 01-26-2021 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1271928)
I just wonder why he said they were archiving all that stuff. Is it because of the JBJ Experience? Is it because he's moving fully to Florida? Is it because he's closing the book on the band?

I think you are overinterpreting.
The archive he was posting weeks back was from Nashville were the Fan Club is located as well.

Rdkopper 01-26-2021 04:01 PM

Its definitely cool to see this stuff but a ten minute video showing a half fraction of what is in there isn't worth the price of The Experience.

All his cool signature outfits are in Hard Rocks and Hall Of Fame type places.

What I found interesting is that some of the most simple t-shirts he's worn are in there... I could see saving big stage outfits but the most simple t-shirts like "tell your mom I said hi" just shows that anything the guy wears out in public becomes somewhat of a staple to his fans.

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Captain_jovi 01-26-2021 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1271937)
Its definitely cool to see this stuff but a ten minute video showing a half fraction of what is in there isn't worth the price of The Experience.

But as we all know the price of the Experience isn't priced around a single piece of content/video. First words out of your description were "very cool", I guess I don't get the dislike for the package you're having?

liljovi93 01-26-2021 04:54 PM

Pretty boring video, really. I like the fact that he's kept so much stuff but for 80% of it, he either had no idea what it was for and didn't sound enthusiastic throughout it. Not asking him to do a big song and dance obviously but it was just a bit flat.



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bonjovi90 01-26-2021 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1271939)
But as we all know the price of the Experience isn't priced around a single piece of content/video. First words out of your description were "very cool", I guess I don't get the dislike for the package you're having?

I think people are starting to get annoyed on what's been promised and what's been offered thus far. Not talking about the boxes, but about those having subscribed to the silver package. We're about 1/4 into the annual subscription and yet, there's been no sign of any outtake or a show from the vaults, both of which Jon had announced in the promo video.
Of course, we can always end up saying "it's ok because it's $80 for a whole year". But do we always have to end up with the fact that "the content at least somewhat justified the price"?
If you want to get a business model going, you'd have to have people say "wow that was more/better than what I'd expected" for starters. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure a large number will be gone after year one, even if they continue with the service. Again, it's not about firing out shows and demos day by day, but if a good number of fan channels who do this after-hours can deliver stuff on a weekly basis, then a group of professionals who want to start the fan club JBJ brand back up again, should at least be able to deliver more.

Captain_jovi 01-26-2021 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1271945)
I think people are starting to get annoyed on what's been promised and what's been offered thus far. Not talking about the boxes, but about those having subscribed to the silver package. We're about 1/4 into the annual subscription and yet, there's been no sign of any outtake or a show from the vaults, both of which Jon had announced in the promo video.
Of course, we can always end up saying "it's ok because it's $80 for a whole year". But do we always have to end up with the fact that "the content at least somewhat justified the price"?
If you want to get a business model going, you'd have to have people say "wow that was more/better than what I'd expected" for starters. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure a large number will be gone after year one, even if they continue with the service. Again, it's not about firing out shows and demos day by day, but if a good number of fan channels who do this after-hours can deliver stuff on a weekly basis, then a group of professionals who want to start the fan club JBJ brand back up again, should at least be able to deliver more.

This makes sense and I agree with you in that.....the die-hards will probably not renew after year one. The people that this is aimed at seem happy with it but they tend to be much easier pleased. They should be doing a lot more, no question there. But I also think this side of the fanbase expected way too much out of this project.

I've been thinking, realistically what would they have to do to make the diehards happy for that price point? For me, what they have now plus a handful of shows and let's say...5 unreleased songs. All of which is totally realistic but for whatever reason this fanbase gets ignored hard and I can't understand why we don't get a bone here and there.

Alphavictim 01-26-2021 05:54 PM

You'd want to make a strong first impression that gets people to talk about the whole thing. If over the course of one year some cool stuff gets out, the whole talk about it will be distributed evenly across that time period... which means it will still have less impact than if the talk all occured at once, at the beginning.

The whole affair seems amateurish. I guess that's what you get for letting your boomer relatives run a business in the internet age.

liljovi93 01-26-2021 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1271945)
I think people are starting to get annoyed on what's been promised and what's been offered thus far. Not talking about the boxes, but about those having subscribed to the silver package. We're about 1/4 into the annual subscription and yet, there's been no sign of any outtake or a show from the vaults, both of which Jon had announced in the promo video.
Of course, we can always end up saying "it's ok because it's $80 for a whole year". But do we always have to end up with the fact that "the content at least somewhat justified the price"?
If you want to get a business model going, you'd have to have people say "wow that was more/better than what I'd expected" for starters. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure a large number will be gone after year one, even if they continue with the service. Again, it's not about firing out shows and demos day by day, but if a good number of fan channels who do this after-hours can deliver stuff on a weekly basis, then a group of professionals who want to start the fan club JBJ brand back up again, should at least be able to deliver more.

Perfectly put.

I agree it's early days. I agree it's a year subscription and we will get more... But you've got to grab people early. Its basic business sense. If in the first month, a show or a few outtakes got put out there that we hadn't seen before, I'd probably have contemplated signing up. I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one with this mindset too.



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Captain_jovi 01-26-2021 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1271951)
You'd want to make a strong first impression that gets people to talk about the whole thing. If over the course of one year some cool stuff gets out, the whole talk about it will be distributed evenly across that time period... which means it will still have less impact than if the talk all occured at once, at the beginning.

The whole affair seems amateurish. I guess that's what you get for letting your boomer relatives run a business in the internet age.

That's fair, yeah, they had every opportunity to come out the gate swinging but it hasn't really had a home-run yet.

rolo_tomachi 01-26-2021 07:50 PM

from illusion to disappointment, later frustration .... now the point of indifference has simply arrived.

No, they are not doing it right, this project could easily have been very interesting just by adding a live video from the archives of the vaults and an unreleased track to download each month.


I just don't worry about this anymore, I hope Jon starts writing for a new album.

Kevs 01-26-2021 08:37 PM

So far its been a waste of money, I paid for gold on launch day 27 October and got nothing in the post. With postage that's $315

Yes the bonus material was nice, the xmas songs where sh1te and the videos were OK but JBJ seems more interested in selling wine. They have missed a trick with this

Did anyone sign up to gold after that date and receive a xmas box? Would be interested to know

Cheers
Kev

faith1985 01-26-2021 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevs (Post 1271956)
So far its been a waste of money, I paid for gold on launch day 27 October and got nothing in the post. With postage that's $315

Yes the bonus material was nice, the xmas songs where sh1te and the videos were OK but JBJ seems more interested in selling wine. They have missed a trick with this

Did anyone sign up to gold after that date and receive a xmas box? Would be interested to know

Cheers
Kev


You should contact the support. you should have gotten the Christmas box by now.

Litneg 01-26-2021 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevs (Post 1271956)
So far its been a waste of money, I paid for gold on launch day 27 October and got nothing in the post. With postage that's $315

Yes the bonus material was nice, the xmas songs where sh1te and the videos were OK but JBJ seems more interested in selling wine. They have missed a trick with this

Did anyone sign up to gold after that date and receive a xmas box? Would be interested to know

Cheers
Kev

Everyone I know who joined the gold package have already received the box.

steel_horse75 01-27-2021 10:00 AM

New Fan Club Package Updates
 
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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1271951)
You'd want to make a strong first impression that gets people to talk about the whole thing. If over the course of one year some cool stuff gets out, the whole talk about it will be distributed evenly across that time period... which means it will still have less impact than if the talk all occured at once, at the beginning.

The whole affair seems amateurish. I guess that's what you get for letting your boomer relatives run a business in the internet age.


This is what I’ve said all along.
You announce you’re taking they “keys back” and make a big deal out of it so open it with a bang. But they haven’t, it’s just plodding along with nothing special . Yes there’s time to make a years subscription worthwhile but those who were holding onto their money were so far right to do so.
The minute an unreleased song pops up I’ll be inserted but until then the money is better in my bank account than Jon’s.

Lots of people have complained there was a 25 second clip put on Twitter by Jon saying it’s basically the same video as they are paying for summing it up n 25 seconds.

Re @liljovi93 comments about Jon looking bored and flat...Jon’s doing what he didn’t want to...go back to the 80s and 90s. For some reason he doesn’t like looking back which is why I’m amazed he took this thing on.
He should’ve employed a super fan to do it someone with enthusiasm for the band.

People want some bang for their buck and they are not getting it (so far).


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Faceman 01-27-2021 11:22 AM

This "Experience" seems once again like a thing they started without having a plan what to offer. To me it looks like "let's-announce-and-see-what-happens" kind-of-thing and now every once in a while they film Jon how he looks at old stuff because they feel the need to release something just for the sake of releasing.

James_86 01-27-2021 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1271949)
The people that this is aimed at seem happy with it but they tend to be much easier pleased

There's absolutely no question it's aimed at Jerry Braden and his cultish followers.



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steel_horse75 01-27-2021 02:12 PM

New Fan Club Package Updates
 
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Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1271974)
There's absolutely no question it's aimed at Jerry Braden and his cultish followers.



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100%. ......and you’ve spelt cultish wrong :-)


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