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rolo_tomachi 02-10-2021 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1272320)
I haven't looked yet, is the quality at least decent?

:rolleyes:
Video 676x540 25 fps
48000Hz stereo 253kbps

It's one video file with all the performances together.

It's funny, but they are disaster even to joining videos, since the first two flow well, but the last two have jerks because they have not converted the frames well, from different source (probably a source original of 30 fps). Very sad.

They just had to put some performances that we had not seen of that big vault that Jon boasts. The only great thing is Bed Of Roses live 1993, I had never seen that performance, although as Dominik says, it is familiar to me.

Captain_jovi 02-10-2021 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1272324)
:rolleyes:
Video 676x540 25 fps
48000Hz stereo 253kbps

It's one video file with all the performances together.

It's funny, but they are disaster even to joining videos, since the first two flow well, but the last two have jerks because they have not converted the frames well, from different source (probably a source original of 30 fps). Very sad.

They just had to put some performances that we had not seen of that big vault that Jon boasts. The only great thing is Bed Of Roses live 1993, I had never seen that performance, although as Dominik says, it is familiar to me.

Gotcha. I totally understand that BoR has been shown before but I'm giving them a pass for including it. The percentage of people that have access to it is so damn low. The rest is real ho-hum.

Faceman 02-10-2021 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by gareththyer1990 (Post 1272312)
“Never before seen videos” which is hardly true

I guess Jon has never seen them before. So technically it's no lie :D :-D:-D

jovifan93 02-10-2021 04:50 PM

That BOR performance has variations in volume, one for a fraction of a second and then towards the end :-(

Xavi 02-10-2021 05:29 PM

I am really disappointed
This is ridiculous,you upload 4 videos and 3 out of them are very known by fans,and even funnier,2 out of the 4 had been oficially published.
They fooled me once this year,but never again.
That JBJ Experience is a fraud.

Johny 02-10-2021 05:45 PM

Even though the content is getting better, I'm surprised how poor job they did regarding the quality.
Volume skips in Bed Of Roses (cool to show that Richie and even Alec were in the band), Diamond Ring's picture has lines as if it were converted from PAL to NTSC. It's all in 4:3 so Strangers has black stripes at the top and bottom. The picture wasn't restored at all. All that was a 15 minute work :(

I'd love something rarer of course. On the other hand, Misunderstood, Diamond Ring and Strangers are obscure album cuts and that Bed Of Roses is even unknown to us so it's a treat for regular fans.

bonjovi90 02-10-2021 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1272331)
Even though the content is getting better, I'm surprised how poor job they did regarding the quality.
Volume skips in Bed Of Roses (cool to show that Richie and even Alec were in the band), Diamond Ring's picture has lines as if it were converted from PAL to NTSC. It's all in 4:3 so Strangers has black stripes at the top and bottom. The picture wasn't restored at all. All that was a 15 minute work :(

I'd love something rarer of course. On the other hand, Misunderstood, Diamond Ring and Strangers are obscure album cuts and that Bed Of Roses is even unknown to us so it's a treat for regular fans.

Well, with three out of four songs having been official singles, I wouldn't call that obscure album cuts :mrgreen:

bonjovi90 02-10-2021 07:12 PM

Just watched the video and Philly is actually a joke. They played there twice that year - in February and in August.
In February - Jon's voice was reasonably good, he went into the crowd to "officiate" at a wedding, declaring the show to a boat ride because a couple would be married for the length of such a ride by the captain. Then they did Bed Of Roses, dedicated to these two fans. Pretty cool:

http://www.youtube.com/v/W7Au7YnBeek

They came back in August. Jon's voice wasn't in such a good shape anymore. But moreover, this was the ONE show where parts of the lightning rig actually malfunctioned, causing him to be in the dark for many parts of the show. Of course, they choose this one instead of the first one.

Johny 02-10-2021 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1272333)
Well, with three out of four songs having been official singles, I wouldn't call that obscure album cuts :mrgreen:

Well, I still would. None of them gets played live. Only Misunderstood was a minor hit and got played live in 2003. Diamond Ring appears now and then live and Strangers was a single nobody cared about.

If they went with I'll Be There For You, Make A Memory and Always that would be something different.

Captain_jovi 02-10-2021 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1272335)
Well, I still would. None of them get played live. Only Misunderstood was a minor hit and got played in 2003. Diamond Ring appears now and then live and Stranger was a single nobody cared about.

If they went with I'll Be There For You, Make A Memory and Always that would be something different.

Agreed. I at least appreciate they are absolutely lesser-known cuts. I'm glad they're not hits with 50 million version already out there.

nikos greece 02-10-2021 09:01 PM

i dont remember the bed of roses clip somewhere in youtube...maybe someone could give a link..
i ll be positive and say its a start...i hoped for pro shots from past tours, ktf and these days preferably..the sound problems show little effort, maybe it was a technical problem and they reupload it right.
i hope jon realises he is talking to hardcore fans and all the clips that are on youtube have already be seen again and again...
having said that bed of roses made my day...
ps. i miss Richie...

Captain_jovi 02-10-2021 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nikos greece (Post 1272339)
i hope jon realises he is talking to hardcore fans and all the clips that are on youtube have already be seen again and again....

Is he, though? What percentage of the old fan-club do you think migrated to this that catalogues shows and remembers things like we do. I'd wager....15%? My gut is these are primarily people from Backstage just happy to get content.

steel_horse75 02-10-2021 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1272340)
Is he, though? What percentage of the old fan-club do you think migrated to this that catalogues shows and remembers things like we do. I'd wager....15%? My gut is these are primarily people from Backstage just happy to get content.

The likes of Jerry are probably jizzing in their pants over these songs.

The Money is still staying in my pocket.




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rolo_tomachi 02-10-2021 09:46 PM

So the month of February has already taken its cycle, right? Now waiting for March.... If anyone from the Jovi camp is reading this, drop a ****ing unreleased track ... and make it sound good (HQ).

Captain_jovi 02-10-2021 10:06 PM

The sooner everyone lowers their expectations for this, the happier everyone will be with it.

bonjovi90 02-10-2021 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1272343)
The sooner everyone lowers their expectations for this, the happier everyone will be with it.

Could be the marketing campaign slogan for Bon Jovi since 2013 :mrgreen:

Captain_jovi 02-10-2021 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1272344)
Could be the marketing campaign slogan for Bon Jovi since 2013 :mrgreen:

Honestly, you are not wrong haha.

rolo_tomachi 02-10-2021 10:47 PM

They were aware that those three performances were known to all the fans, damn it, notice how none of those three came out in the teaser video of JBJ Experience.

They know what we know and what we don't. They just don't want to release new things. All of this JBJ Experience is being worse than American XS Platinum. I do not get it. You have a vault, you brag about it, you should launch something unpublished that is worthwhile, your fans have paid for it. You have to be fair and keep your promise.

Alphavictim 02-11-2021 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1272340)
My gut is these are primarily people from Backstage just happy to get content.

People from Backstage would be happy if Jon farted into a freezer bag and it got mailed to them. If this is to make any waves outside of the most devoted, they better put up.

It's kinda baffling how they're treating their legacy, too. This year marks 35 years of Slippery. Compare that to how Def Leppard (who I like, but am not a devout fan on) are going on about their past... that Vault thing seems like a GREAT thing. Is the base registration free?

YOVANAfromPeru 02-11-2021 01:13 AM

https://www.bonjovi.com/pages/announ...he-jbj-archive

Captain_jovi 02-11-2021 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1272349)
People from Backstage would be happy if Jon farted into a freezer bag and it got mailed to them. If this is to make any waves outside of the most devoted, they better put up.

It's kinda baffling how they're treating their legacy, too. This year marks 35 years of Slippery. Compare that to how Def Leppard (who I like, but am not a devout fan on) are going on about their past... that Vault thing seems like a GREAT thing. Is the base registration free?

I don't disagree, yeah the Vault stuff has been free so far. But they're also not getting anything NEW, just pictures and talking about the past. I think they have the chance to make this a LOT better and win over old fans but to say this is for the diehard fans is missing the mark.

"WE'RE SHARING MORE FROM THE ARCHIVES IN THE DAYS & MONTHS AHEAD!" makes me a bit hopeful.

bjcrazycpa 02-11-2021 02:23 AM

I enjoyed those videos especially the '93 Philly even if the sound and video weren't fantastic in spots. Cool seeing Alec and the one thing I kept saying in all the videos is "wow Tico looked so much younger" ha ha! I also rarely rewatch anything once a tour/album cycle is over so it was a cool walk down memory lane.


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Rdkopper 02-11-2021 03:34 AM

This is nothing but a complete bunch of shit. All they talk about is the "vault" and then give us 3 songs that were on official releases. They could stick this thing up their ass. This crap should all be free on YouTube and not even part of the JBJ Experience. They basically made us a Playlist. Any Asshole could do this.

Diamond Ring AOL was released as a bonus track on the TLFR DVD

Strangers was the same version that's on the LH DVD

Misunderstood was from the official Hammersmith show that's all over YouTube

What we should have received was the entire 1993 Philly Show...

Again... "More stuff to come in days, weeks, months so make sure you join"

Notice how they never tell you what's to come. Just join and we'll make more playlists for you?

**** You JBJ!!!

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YOVANAfromPeru 02-11-2021 04:45 AM

Maybe that Bon Jovi Forever T-shirt goes in the next box.
Agree about nice to see Alec, I definitely want to see old vids!

Rdkopper 02-11-2021 05:01 AM

I'm starting to think that Jon could post anything under his own name as long as it's not original new music... I also think he could post anything that's already been officially released by the band.

I do however think that anything new outside of those parameters needs to be approved by the label and/or some type of monetary exchange needs to happen between them.

We're basically going to get limited stuff mixed in with a bunch of fluff to make it look like were getting a bunch of stuff when in actuality, we're really just going to get nothing more than a handful of rarities.

I'm noticing a pattern.

- Rare Jon interviews
- Christmas cover songs
- Already released footage

Oh and 1 rare version of Bed Of Roses.

I really hope I wrong... but this has been the worst 1st quarter of anything I've ever witnessed since Obama's Economy.




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Faceman 02-11-2021 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1272351)
"WE'RE SHARING MORE FROM THE ARCHIVES IN THE DAYS & MONTHS AHEAD!" makes me a bit hopeful.

You're a hopeless romantic ;)

ksanova 02-11-2021 11:19 AM

I mean, Bed Of Roses is from August 6th - Spectrum, Philadelphia, but when the video starts it says it's February?

james_d 02-11-2021 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ksanova (Post 1272364)
I mean, Bed Of Roses is from August 6th - Spectrum, Philadelphia, but when the video starts it says it's February?

Didn't they also play there in February? Could've got the dates confused.

ksanova 02-11-2021 12:06 PM

Yes, they also played on February 22nd, but I'm watching this video and Jon is not wearing the same clothes.
In this one it is the same video: but it doesn't say what date it is.

Cheers!

james_d 02-11-2021 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ksanova (Post 1272367)
Yes, they also played on February 22nd, but I'm watching this video Bon Jovi - Live in Philadelphia 1993 [Full] - YouTube and Jon is not wearing the same clothes.
In this one it is the same video: Bon Jovi - Live In Philadelphia 1993 (Full Show) - YouTube but it doesn't say what date it is.

Cheers!

Sorry I'm saying they might have got it wrong, not you lol

steel_horse75 02-11-2021 12:46 PM

New Fan Club Package Updates
 
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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1272355)
I definitely want to see old vids!


Go on YouTube. There’s 100s of them for free.


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Captain_jovi 02-11-2021 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1272361)
You're a hopeless romantic ;)

Haha guilty as charged. Would love it if they up the release schedule a few times a month to weigh out the amount of pre-released duds we get with more things like BoR.

steel_horse75 02-11-2021 12:51 PM

I don’t get the “was this the Feb bed of Roses or the august” etc.
Who cares. Do you really need to hear BOR again? You’ve heard it 1000s of times. It’s not rare. Go on YouTube there’s 100s of BOR live and all the others. There’s nothing special of those 4 tracks released.

Jon has the entire vault at his disposal and he’s released 4 songs everyone’s seen and heard before.

People defending this are batshit crazy.

Captain_jovi 02-11-2021 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1272371)
I don’t get the “was this the Feb bed of Roses or the august” etc.
Who cares. Do you really need to hear BOR again? You’ve heard it 1000s of times. It’s not rare. Go on YouTube there’s 100s of BOR live and all the others. There’s nothing special of those 4 tracks released.

Jon has the entire vault at his disposal and he’s released 4 songs everyone’s seen and heard before.

People defending this are batshit crazy.

What live performances are you expecting to get out of this? The other 3 are lame but they're not the overshared versions of Prayer and Bad Name at least.

Yes, this Bed of Roses IS rare, just because you can find other performances of that song on YouTube doesn't mean this specific performance isn't rare. I get being sour over this, it's been hella underwhelming but I don't get having an issue with them putting out a live version of a hit if it's from a period where a ton of pro-shot stuff wasn't released by them.

Faceman 02-11-2021 12:59 PM

And besides that, Dominik already solved the date-issue:

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1272334)
Just watched the video and Philly is actually a joke. They played there twice that year - in February and in August.
In February - Jon's voice was reasonably good, he went into the crowd to "officiate" at a wedding, declaring the show to a boat ride because a couple would be married for the length of such a ride by the captain. Then they did Bed Of Roses, dedicated to these two fans. Pretty cool:

http://www.youtube.com/v/W7Au7YnBeek

They came back in August. Jon's voice wasn't in such a good shape anymore. But moreover, this was the ONE show where parts of the lightning rig actually malfunctioned, causing him to be in the dark for many parts of the show. Of course, they choose this one instead of the first one.


rolo_tomachi 02-11-2021 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1272373)
What live performances are you expecting to get out of this? The other 3 are lame but they're not the overshared versions of Prayer and Bad Name at least.

Yes, this Bed of Roses IS rare, just because you can find other performances of that song on YouTube doesn't mean this specific performance isn't rare. I get being sour over this, it's been hella underwhelming but I don't get having an issue with them putting out a live version of a hit if it's from a period where a ton of pro-shot stuff wasn't released by them.

I agree with your point. I don't mind seeing something that's already on YouTube as long as we didn't get it in a professional quallity. That's why those three suck and Bed Of Roses doesn't.


If they had chosen together with Bed of Roses for example:

Always - Live Cologne 2001 (Pro Shot)
Thick As Thieves - Live Sydney 2013 (Pro Shot)
It's Only Make Believe - Live Little Rock Arkansas 2013 (Pro Shot)


I would be very happy and excited about the JBJ Experience.

Captain_jovi 02-11-2021 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1272375)
I agree with your point. I don't mind seeing something that's already on YouTube as long as we didn't get it in a professional quallity. That's why those three suck and Bed Of Roses doesn't.


If they had chosen together with Bed of Roses for example:

Always - Live Cologne 2001 (Pro Shot)
Thick As Thieves - Live Sydney 2013 (Pro Shot)
It's Only Make Believe - Live Little Rock Arkansas (Pro Shot)


I would be very happy and excited about the JBJ Experience.

Oh hell yeah. I'd be more than happy with that.

Rdkopper 02-11-2021 05:39 PM

I'm still baffled as to why they gave us recycled material when they have an entire vault full of unreleased material.

Someone should really call them out on their shit.




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Xavi 02-11-2021 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1272381)
I'm still baffled as to why they gave us recycled material when they have an entire vault full of unreleased material.

Someone should really call them out on their shit.




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It is pathetic what they have done,nothing but PATHETIC.

Captain_jovi 02-11-2021 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1272381)
I'm still baffled as to why they gave us recycled material when they have an entire vault full of unreleased material.

Someone should really call them out on their shit.




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Yup. The second people stop paying for it, they'll notice. Unfortunately that's not going to happen.


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