Well, some people on twitter might try to let Matt Bongiovi know, but I don't know if this is going to work. So they had the keys ... right?

I just don't think it's going to work. If people are paying and happy with it, regardless of what type of fan they are, it's supply and demand. If people stop paying that means there's no audience for it. Hopefully they take the feedback from our side of the fanbase and improve on it but when's the last time they've done something to show that they will? Stagnant setlists show it doesn't matter to them, they have enough casual fans to make the money they want.

It's money. They stop getting it, they'll listen. Matt's twitter is literally filled with him tweeting about bitcoin and #dogelife. He doesn't get this side of the fanbase.

How is the video quality and sound of Bed of Roses?


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So he neither understands the art and the craft nor is he a good business man. Good going.

It is the ultimate irony that AC/DC outsell Bon Jovi by far by now, and that even Def Leppard make more of a splash when it comes to them doing fan events. Running BJ like a pure company - as in: everything FEELS corporate too - really didn't work out well in the long run.

You only need to look at the comments on Jon's latest post.

"All 4 performances are amazing, I love the JBJ experience"

"Thank you for these, have a wonderful valentine's Day"

It's people who are either paid to promote the band or are craving a reply from Jon so they can stick "Jon replied to me on 11/02/21"

Honestly, I know the reviews are the same here and it's becoming a bit boring from all of us but this has been worse than I thought. Yeah, you can say they never promised us anything. Yeah, you can say that we don't have to pay for it (I haven't) if we don't want too etc .. but it's really been a disgrace.

The Xmas box was pathetic. I have a printing business and the Santa hat and bauble I could do for £5 tops. Legit. The socks, cool, but as part of a £300 membership thing? Nah. Sorry. A photo of Jon in a cotton turtle neck. No.

The valentine's Day videos would have been fine on YouTube. A couple of songs that you think Jon may have forgotten about etc... But as part of the membership is poor. Rolo used some good examples of how that could have been made so much better.

As stated, they don't care. People are paying for it. That's fine. It's not my money and what others do with it is fine but I just can't accept the fact that people are happy with it. I just can't.


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Don't get me wrong, word for word I agree with you. They've curated this rabid fan base that lives and dies by his word and will scoop up anything with his name on it and it has pushed our views and wants to the side because pleasing us means spending money. Pleasing them is a cheap hat marked up 300%. I think Alpha has it bang on, it's run like a corporation. To not do the bare minimum research to see what products these 4 songs were already released on shouldn't be part of this package if you're going to say things like never-before-seen and not deliver on it.

But on the other side of the tracks, I don't actually think Jerry is employed by the band. If he's happy I can't be mad at that. I used to be like that but loving this band jades the hell out of you and I cannot understand why it hasn't. Is it being easily pleased? I legit don't know.

A little birdy told me one or two things about him. True or not, that's for our own decision of course but I'm inclined to believe. Also, I don't just mean he's paid in cash. Goodies, early info, meeting of the band members, tickets to shows etc....

He's just one of a few I have been told about anyway. You probably know the others.

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Ohhhh boy. I wasn't aware of that. Almost to be a hype person on social media. Interesting!

As I said mate, could be bull but he certainly doesn't make me think that person is lying haha. Ah well, as you said, maybe he is just easily pleased and that's absolutely no problem. I just feel sometimes it can be a bit forced and it's a bit too much but again, maybe I'm/we are just different.

Still plenty of time to produce good stuff for us anyway. Let's hope!

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My fingers are crossed "days and months ahead" means sporadic additions and not the "one a month" format we assumed here.

Aloha !

I've no idea who you constantly try to convince all the time. You discredit everyone who bitches about this and yet seem to set yourself up for disappointment every single time. Right from the start it's been clear there is no thought behind this as to when they'll release what.

They've absolutely no idea what they're going to send out other than cheap merchandising and dodgy VHS rips that won't get a remastering process because doing so costs money and time. Once it's time to cancel the memberships they'll realize they need to throw people a serious bone and you'll get the odd rare song which will then be posted on the internet the next day for everyone to download. There is just no reason to sign up for this other than to be able to say "I am a member". Nothing.

If they'd have had a plan they'd have announced it but they're relying on those buying this regardless of what's out there. It works just fine, those who do care won't sign up anyway. It just boggles the mind that there's still people like you who somehow still have faith this just might be something.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

To me it's a numbers game. If they're putting out one crappy thing a month, it's a waste. If they're increasing what they're putting out I have an easier time thinking something here and there will be okay. And if they don't, whatever. I understand I'm in a more privileged spot where if I gamble $80 in one year and don't get much out of it, I'm not heartbroken and screaming SCREW JBJ.

I honestly don't think enough of "us" signed up that it will effect the numbers THAT MUCH come renewal time. That's been my point from day 1.

I didn't see that Bed Of Roses in good quality before. But that Bed Of Roses wasn't the ultimate performance either. Nothing really special, at all.

Sure, but that's because most of "us" figured that given this is JBJ & company, it ain't gonna be for us. But this is not a "well, so they're doing everything right" scenario. This is a "they could have had our money" scenario. How much is it to transfer old demos, really?

WITHOUT a clean up, and with Obie being pretty much on speed dial, it'd be super cheap. Transfer them all once, run them through some basic mixing and clean up (you know, the kinda stuff HAND does for free regularly), it's still dirt cheap. And they'd have gotten money from people who aren't just wino soccer moms. But nope.

Again, if you're gonna run stuff like a business, with zero romance for rock & roll, that's fine. But they're doing a bad job even from that angle. It just seems cheaply done all around. The old slogans ("NEVER BEFORE SEEN!", "EXCLUSIVE!") make this shit seem even fishier. Oh well.

If I'm ever to eat these words, I'll gladly take the unreleased tracks - it's not like me bitching is my dream outcome of this. But as of now, that's what it is.

This is what happens when it’s no longer a band thing and you give the decision to one person. (Yes it’s been like that for a while).

But if a band thing then Tico might say hey Jon how bout that song we did for (insert album title here) that we recorded and just couldn’t get right. The fans might want that?

David chips in - how about the MK bowl performances in 89 and 93 they were pro shot shall we put those out there? Or even Hyde park 03 that was gonna be DVD?

But sadly......


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Funny story - I was once offered a pirate DVD of the whole Hyde Park 2003 show pro-shot for £10,000. Had to decline it.

Making memories for over 40 years...

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...and then you drop the same thing seen 1000 times.


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Why? [emoji16]

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I once was offered a multitrack soundboard audio from Stockholm 1986 for $2500. Cheap industry :mrgreen:

Well, it's called the JBJ experience, not the BJ experience, for a reason...

True enough, very fair points. They could easily have a lot more sales if they did this right. I wonder if it's case of laziness on their part or thinking the stuff we want isn't the stuff the majority of casual fans want. I can't wrap my head around why they're blowing it like this.

Yeah for what they're promising then not delivering it's really fishy to me too.

Since the beginning, Jon has been breaking his promise, correct me if I am wrong:

He said:

*The members will get a cut from the director of On A Night Like This with 6 bonus songs, the same day the movie is released on YouTube.

*We would hear Halo soon.

*Unpublished photographic material and alternative shots.

*In the Valentine's Day video, he said 4 never seen before videos.


So clearly, he's not doing shit, he's probably using his time to rest, and maybe compose for a new album. At one point in the livechat he said something like "I'm going to give you my best right all this year, because I have nothing to do." Well, we already know that his word is not worth shit.

Halo and the photos still may happen. Don't rule that out just yet.

The other two are true. Maybe we will get the other songs from Directors Cut but I can't say I'm too fussed. Heard them a million times and Jon is only going to sound shit anyway.

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I totally forgot about that Director's Cut thing, I wonder what happened. Could it have been a rights/publishing issue as older songs?

The balls on a guy to say "4 never before seen videos" some of which released on DVDs blows me away.

Though yeah, some of Rolo's complaints are two, some are just down to impatience. He didn't say when, just that we'd get them. It's very carnival huckster-y.

Well it would have been nice to see for sure, especially since I was at that show, but
a) we have a decent quality bootleg on audio and video
b) 6 tracks got released on the TLFR DVD but mainly
c) I can think of many other things I'd prefer to spend £10K on!

Talking about OANLT... Why did the official channel removed the special from youtube?? Some friends noticed that yesterday and 'till now it's still out.

Fun fact: when you search for it the VERY first video that appears is Luv Can from the Experience...

He seems to spend most of his time making stupid vids to sell wine which irritates the hell out of me. He’s on Channel 4 news and The One Show tonight both at 7 o’clock but not sure why. If it’s to promote Story of Love he is wasting his time. That and the album is dead in the water!🙄

They set it to private. It'll probably be the BIG fan club EXCLUSIVE release next week. :mrgreen:

That Jerry guy blocked me because I dared to say something negative about Jon! He is either employed by them or has an unhealthy obsession with Jon and or the band.

This isn't the first time I've heard this take and I'm struggling to understand it. If the album is dead in the water why are people against him going on shows to promote singles? To say the single is dead in the water like 10 days after release....huh?

I can't see it succeeding but at least give it a chance to fail. He's at least out there talking about it and that's better than selling wine.

If it’s not being played on the radio it’s got no chance.

I don't think he's employed by them. I actually think Jon would have this guy removed if he ever tried to get close to the band. That being said, I think he's pally with Matt and privy to certain bits of information.

Yeah, he's definitely got an unhealthy obsession with the band. He's also got a slightly worrying obsession with Taylor Swift and he's the unofficial sixth backstreet boy [emoji23]

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Which I totally understand but again, it's ten days in. It has every chance in the world to fail but also has a chance at success if Jon's out there promoting it. Its a damned if you don't/damned if you do if here sitting at home doing nothing related to the album. They need a really strong marketing campaign to get this out there but it's too soon to say the song is dead.

Let's not forget, when THINFS was released, we got a totally of 19 tracks... Now we only get 12 with 2020 and the one bonus track mentioned "Halo" gets thrown out there as part of The Experience...

Again, not really a great deal for what I signed up for. Halo should be "an addition to"... Not the backbone of it.

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Let's say 21, counting the re-release.

It's a completely different pricing model, I don't see how the two are remotely similar other than "how dare they sell us so much product last time and have nothing for us this time"

I guess you're missing the point again... It's about filling The Experience with fluff to make it look like we are actually getting more than reality.

Bonus tracks from current releases were always just expected. A leftover track from a current release would sell for a buck on iTunes... We got a 4 Disc 1 DVD set for around 50 bucks in 2004.

Making your one leftover song a backbone from your current release isn't enough to satisfy the 80 bucks I dropped on The Experience.

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You missed a few other thing...

All those Christmas DVDs (Red Bank Count Basie Shows).

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i agree the jbj experience is a bit of a let down til now...BUT

1. Jon highlighted in the exclusive talk that the bonus tracks might be ready in 2-3 weeks or 2-3 months, they will be uploaded but couldnt tell a certain date. He used carefully his words to avoid misunderstandings. he said though they ll be shared the coming months. he is right on that one..

2. the bed of roses video is a start. havent seen the video live in youtube. it certainly looks
rough, and thats truly disappointing but i hope we ll get at least 1 pro shot video from the past, sth not released within the year. i also hope jon gives access to their live shows to a guy who will put the love and work to make them sound and look great...imo this is their legacy..they had the hits and they had great live shows... releasing, at first in jbj experience and later on youtube a couple truly great live moments will work as a proof how good they used to be time and time again

and as many have already mentioned, if they put some thought and effort there are at least 5 pro shots concerts, aimed for a released that werent released in the end. yokohama 93, central park 2008 for example that have potential to be shared and and have a great quality.

Well, I didn't remember that part. So okay, we may get something worthwhile in the next few months. But having to wait for the last three months of uploading for something fantastic to happen seems like a disappointment to me, since you are paying an annual membership, so they should make sure to release great stuff every month. Jon says he has a lot of content in the vaults, there are no excuses for not releasing something great every month.

They could drop some of the HAND tour, the Boston concert was professionally recorded, they could also release demos of Sex Sells, you know, but they're not taking it into account, and the months go by.

They started well with the Christmas songs and Luv Can & Shine, but the rest has been insufficient. This should get better and better, but it feels like it's worse than the beginning.

My point is .. this is an annual subscription, damn, if we finally only get the rarities in the last 3 months it will be a disappointment.



I just hope that all this waiting is for a reason, something like they are remastering things to release them in the spring, and they need these months to work on it, but if we come to summer with the same vague monthly release, then they are not taking this so seriously.... and all of this JBJ Experience and its exclusivity would have been total shit.