Wrestling with this too. On some level, from a financial standpoint it makes total sense. Like Thinny said, Sirius is footing the bill for rights and taking all the financial risk out of it for the organization.

That being said, an annual subscription to Sirius isn't far off from what the Experience is charging and actually delivering on what Experience said they'd do, so why are so people trying to find a way to get it for free? Hear me out, if people pay for this stuff it's showing there's an audience, leading to interest in future stuff and an audience that will actually financially support it.

I'll tell you why, there is no guarantee that that will happen. I have already lived that way with the JBJ Experience, and it is not pleasant to pay for a year and not use it, because there is nothing interesting beyond some good launch at the beginning.

I have a feeling that OBie is only going to dust off 4 shows, and maybe some demo. But that will be it. I don't see Obie regularly put shows on Bon Jovi radio.

And Even if I wanted to pay it, I can't access it from Spain.

Sirius has the added bonus of cancelling after a month though, the Experience does not.

We're looking at a completely different profit margin and audience for this. More so my point was look at how many people are asking how they can get what's being played for free and people honestly want to tell me there's an audience willing to pay for rare stuff? Do you see where I'm going with this?

I don't know if the people asking just can't get it from their area as well but it's a point worth making.

In my country I would need to access Sirius with paid vpn, and I would have to make that extra expense, and I am not sure that the transmission is going well to be able to capture the signal. It's just one headache after another.

I want those shows? of course.

would I pay for them? Hell yes! As long as it is a fair price.

But when we talk about paying for a radio streaming, it should be affordable and accessible ... because the sound quality of the online broadcast will have compression, and then you will have to capture the audio with a program, and the capture quality It will be based on your sound card.

If JBJ Experience had done it right, these shows would be a download link in mp3 or iTunes (320kbps) for silver users and FLAC or ALAC for Gold users.

Even so I do not give up, I hope to find a solution to be able to capture those shows in the best possible way.

How does JBJ experience doing it right = them uploading files that can be easily shared though? That just makes it even easier for them to be shared.

I'm not picking on you and your situation SPECIFICALLY, I'm making the point that we are the last people that want stuff like this barring a complete overhaul of how the band puts stuff out. I wish there was a way to do it so everyone had access to it, the price was fair and it was stuff the diehards wanted. It's so stupid it's come to this.

U2, Metallica, Pearl Jam do these things well, they offer shows for the annual subscription in FLAC quality, and in the case of the latter two they have a large archive of live shows to download, at affordable prices.

Bon Jovi did something similar in 2017 in the first stage of THINFS. I don't understand why he can't do something similar with shows from other times.

Paying $ 80 to get more videos from the band's photographer than from the band itself or Jon seems ridiculous to me. And having to settle for all this Sirius stuff is sad in a way... a streaming that is far from a high quality file.

U2 and Metallica both own the rights to their own music. Those two plus Pearl Jam's audience actually wants this stuff.

They probably stopped after 2017 because it undersold because, again, it hasn't been about the music for the band's fan base in a long long long time. Can you really not understand why they're spending top dollar to market and put out something with a dwindling audience that goes nuts for wine and spice packs? Like, it has to be shockingly obvious the stuff we want won't sell, right?

I'm sure if they released a collection of digital EPs with unreleased songs or some legendary shows from the eighties, nineties, 2000s, they would have their niche. But to do this, you have to educate your fans, you have to make an effort to speak up and promote this whole thing a bit. There is nothing cheaper than releasing digital music. I don't know how much it can cost to pay the royalties, but if done right, there will be an interest there.

The failure of NJ deluxe 2014 was because it felt like an incomplete launch for the fans, which some of us bought despite everything, but the rest of the casual people already had the ultimate edition 2010 on the market even as something recent and with lower prices. The promotion was also very poor, a launch of these characteristics is not launched in the middle of July, if you want to make the sales resonate, you have to make a great package for the fans, and launch it in style on designated dates. September - October - November are the best dates for anniversary launches.

In the end, it is about educating your fans (or your potential audience) to the product you intend to sell.

I don't have to feel guilty for not being able to buy these shows live on iTunes or on their own website. Jon gets it wrong with this way so crude of throwing legendary gigs like Wembley Arena 88. This show deserved a release with a little more pampering... you know, a good mastering, physical and digital release, I'm sure it would be better received than Live From London Palladium or Inside Out. Educating your audience with these types of releases from time to time makes it work. If you never release anything from the vaults, and when you do, you do it poor and bad, it is not the fault of the audience or the fans.

I've paid $ 80 for get Never-Heard-Before Tracks, and unreleased shows, however, there's nothing like that, but hey, you can subscribe to sirius for several months or a year and you listen to some shows in streaming quality. **** YOU JON.

My hope is that perhaps, this broadcast on sirius is the excuse to later share these shows in JBJ Experience, which is based more on previously seen releases.

I think their US-centric marketing is a big issue here.

Without meaning to generalize I think the US fanbase is quite different from the fanbase outside the US, and with decent promotion and accessibility in places like Europe stuff like anniversary boxsets would probably sell fairly well, but they constantly just put out US-exclusive content (like this SiriusXM thing), even though a significant portion of the US fanbase seems to be more interested in wine and boxes full of cheap merch to wear in the kitchen than in actual music-related content.

2020 charted much higher in several European countries (as well as Japan and Australia I believe) than it did in the US, so it seems like there's still a much bigger interest in music-related content in other parts of the world than in the US. They should try to capitalize off of that instead of desperately trying to push the band in the US all the time.

Really good point. Had the band had more critical relevance and maybe more albums that was UNIVERSALLY loved across all regions I think they'd have more chance of success. Slippery and New Jersey are easy wins. You dip into the 90's and KTF and TD are aimed everywhere but America. Anything post 2000 had a few hit singles but no one is clamouring for anything past that.

Frankly the band shot itself in the foot chasing after trends and new audiences to appeal to America. If they were willing to expand who this was for....it's just so damn late in the game to "try".

The weird thing is that JBJ and company used to know better than that. Whereas a band like Poison in the 80s was a strictly American phenomenon and never managed to shake the "pretty boys" stigma, Bon Jovi like it's been mentioned expanded both geographically and musically in the 90s. Consequently, they survived the 90s as an intact band. They were covered and respected by regular rock mags, too. This even went on as late as Bounce, as faux-heavy as that record may have been.

Now, they market themselves like they actually are Poison. Iron Maiden outsells them and is probably the bigger draw, globally speaking, too. For a band being so obviously in it to make as much money as possible at this point, BJ are doing quite a poor job at it.

Are they though? I bet they make a lot more money on mass produced t-shirts and tat with Jon's face on than they would remastering and producing a special edition of SWW.

Yup. Cheap items, low overhead, a guaranteed fanbase vs curating the ones that are left and winning back old fans. I can blame them as a band, I can't blame them as a business.

You think AC/DC, Iron Maiden, Metallica and so on don't have a "guaranteed fanbase"?

Of course they do, but I get what he is saying. It's a different kind of fan base. All of those bands' guarenteed fan bases would be appauled if they received the type of tacky merch included in the JBJ Experience boxes.

However, the JBJ ass shaking worshipers lap it all up. And unfortunately that is the portion of the BJ fan base that spends the most amount of money these days...

$2195 per person for the latest Runaway tour.


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This.

Those bands listed as examples have a guaranteed audience that will eat up rare stuff, full shows, unreleased anythings. While Bon Jovi have that, it's a subsection of a subsection of a subsection. All of which requires work, money and undoing the last 20 years.

If people weren't lapping up this low quality stuff and demanding rare stuff we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's supply and demand and it sucks.

I think both sides of the debate have a point. Jon obviously does not have the freedom of a band like Metallica. Even so, he is doing an awful job at presenting what he does have.

Metallica's Black Album 30th anniversary set pisses all over New Jersey's. This is partly because they own their music but also partly because they give a shit. Maybe not about the fan per se, but about how the band is presented.

Jon seems to have stopped giving a shit. It is an odd position he has taken in talking up his musical output as socially conscious, in touch with the people, and with artistic weight, all while becoming a full on commercial endeavor that is becoming like a cheap paradoy. It is such a contradiction that I cannot think of another band that is doing something similar.

Sirius XM is free for 4 months. Enjoy

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Only if you're located in the US - the customer agreement has a clause about how using a VPN or anything like that is a violation of the agreement.

I created separate topic for SiriusXM stuff
https://drycounty.com/jovitalk/new-b...-stuff-t70840/

Is anything happening on the JBJ Experience anymore?

Bet they’ll upload the 74836th David Bergman video soon [emoji2957]


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I can barely hold my excitement!!! :rolleyes:

David Bergman EP5. The Last video upload.

It's almost apparent that all these shows on Sirius were meant for The Experience. I don't think Obie threw these together last week... they've been ready to go for some time now. Someone F ed up and jumped the gun.

I still think they need to make good to all the people they ****ed over do to amateur management.... but they won't.

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Agree completely. These were 100% prepared for the Experience, it's exactly the sort of content they promised. Then they realised that they couldn't legally do it that way without it costing them a lot of money and had to find another outlet.

Yep. Do you remember this on instagram several months ago?

http://fotos.subefotos.com/cd0c52505...bd7918697o.jpg

This was posted on May 1st. So it is possible that something has changed. Or who knows, maybe not, and everything goes according to plan.

Let's remember what JBJ said at the Miami show this summer, he was planning a digital museum from the archives, producing a material (BoxSet Digital) exclusive to JBJ Experience and preparing a new album. Maybe this from Sirius is just a small preview of things to come.

Has anyone asked Matt or Jerry?

on another note I finally received the 3rd experience box.
Better than number 2 but still not great. This time customs got it and it cost another €13 to get it. I did consider letting them keep it but thought I could use some of the contents as part of a xmas present for a another fan( not hard core)

Anyone being the slightest bit negative or questioning the intentions of the higher ups gets piled on and branded not a fan.

That and what do we expect them to say? "Yeah we had bigger plans for this but didn't look into legalities and royalty costs"? Being forthcoming and honest has never been the band camp's strong suits. Shoving songs that failing as singles down crowds throats and then later admitting they knew the song wasn't connecting is more their style.

Perhaps asking if SiriusFM would be a good sub for a fan given its providing what experience was supposed to do? :mrgreen:

They are such dicks and conceited.... they are able to cancel future shows on Sirius. Better to leave things as they are, in order to loot everything we can from Sirius.

Yeah, loot what you can then complain that there's a market for rare stuff.

Is there a manual for that looting?

And what do you want me to do, if there is no prepaid download button in sirius. (This shows should be on JBJ Experience, and not on streaming radio)

https://c.tenor.com/jC_B6tlDxkEAAAAM/hombros-shrug.gif

It is a way of speaking, first you have to subscribe in Sirius, then you can do the rip (loot). Imagine that you are in the eighties and they put the Nassau 1987 show on the radio FM. Well, you record it with the cassette, right? something like that.

Now, the moment these shows come out on YouTube or other well-known bootleg websites, it's over, there are no more shows on Sirius. It is a responsibility.

By the way, back to the point, what the hell is wrong with JBJ Experience? I can't wait any longer to see David Bergman's EP6.

I get that, but what about those who are living outside of US? Which I believe it's the case for a lot of people here. I agree with you when you say that these shows should have been on the Experience.

Is there any list of the live recordings on the JBJ fanclub?


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