In terms of full shows on the Experience? Zero.

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Was thinking about the few live tracks from San Jose 2008, LA 2010 etc.


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You made me laugh :D

I could care less how or why you can't get it. Really think about it, if we just encourage everyone to take it because we can, wave bye bye to the possibility of more coming. Yeah it should be on experience but it's not, it doesn't give the one fanbase that wants it full on permission to take it and teach others how to do it. You want rare stuff to have a market? This isn't a great idea.

I'm with Rolo on this. If you put this stuff out there and don't give the fans the option to download it then the fans are going to find a way to save it. They have to expect that. If they wanted to do it properly, then give it as an exclusive to Sirius for a week or two and then put it on iTunes etc. Everybody wins. But if the only way to listen is to catch it when Sirius stream it, then fans are going to download / trade it, etc, any way that they can. Like Rolo says, it's no different to the way we recorded Milton Keynes or Wembley off of BBC Radio 1 back in the day etc. We all did that and no one had a problem with it.

As long as it's for your own personal use and you are not putting it out there for others to download or stream publicly, then I don't see the issue and I don't see how it threatens the Sirius stuff going forward at all.

I don't not agree but comparing this to the old fashioned ways where they were making the money elsewhere, I don't think it's an apt comparison. Sure they didn't care if shows were bootlegged, they were making hand over fist on merch sales, live shows, album sales, a cash cow bonanza in the old world.

Bigger picture I don't think the amount of new Sirius subscriptions they get because of this show will ever be analyzed that deeply but I'm also more pointing out how quickly the word loot was brought up and we're begging for morsels we're telling them there's an audience and we'll pay for it. It's a very uneven conversation point sometimes. The organization put themselves into this position and ruined the legacy so it's sad that its come to this.

I think you have not understood the meaning of my message. What I was pointing out is that these kinds of things at the end of the day make us commit these kinds of actions. I paid $ 80 for those weird things that Jon said we would have at JBJ Experience, and you defend that scam claiming royalties blah blah blah ... I have to cry for these suckers because they are not able to create a website dedicated to live shows for their download at a fair price? Maybe.


I do not like smuggling, having the thing officially is more satisfactory. Let's stop playing morality, these things exist because there are not many options. And I'm not going to get into the game anymore. I close the matter.

I get it, but if you are recording it, then you must be signed up and therefore paying for it, and the band/writers etc get their royalties. I suppose if fans are swapping and trading things privately then they would be losing out on money, but essentially they have used a platform that is supposedly only available in the US, so they have to expect that international fans will try to find a way to get these recordings. If you don't want that to happen you use a service that is available worldwide and make it easy for fans to aquire these things legally. The harder you make it then the more you increase the amount of people getting things my other means.

I don't advocate illegal file sharing at all, but when there are very little other means, what choice do the fans have?

Yeah fair enough. There's a world of difference between downloading for personal use/Trading and putting it on YouTube, I was more worried about option B. The people that bitched and moaned the stuff that was supposed to be exclusive on The Experience got put on Youtube making the whole thing less exclusive and around the same time less stuff coming out on it. Not saying the two are linked but that feels like the mentality. You can't charge that amount for stuff you can't get elsewhere and see it elsewhere.

Yeah I agree, hence my comments that i don't see a problem as long as people aren't sharing it publicly on sites such as YouTube or Filesharing sites. That should never be OK

Matt had tweeted saying for JBJ experience members to check their emails tomorrow. Exclusive offer coming in one of them for members.

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More money for them to spend…..


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Absolutely, mate.

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Episode 6 is now available on The DB Experience.
:D

There'll be an special offer sent to Experience members today... any guess?

- Renew discount?
- Change the name to DBExp?
- RT in Rio and RiR confirmation? (Let the dreamers dream)

I am hoping for a SIRIUSXM discount to listen to exclusive concerts that are not on the experience :mad::)

I see a discont to the runaway tours trip that is not sold out yet.

Have you all seen what Springsteen has just announced?
He will release the Legendary 1979 No Nukes Concerts on 2 CDs with DVD,2 CDs with Blue Ray or 2 LPs formats.
Why Bon Jovi cant do this things?
I remember when someone asked Matt for a DVD release from Hammersmith Odeon on twitter and he laughed at the face of that fan,like saying that no one is interestee on DVDs or BlueRays anymore...
The fact is that Bruce is care of his music and his fans and Bon Jovi is not focus in his music anymore but in recipes,wine glasses,aprons and David Bergman videos.
I cant stand anymore Jon and his way of managing Bon Jovi co.
Jon can stand with all of those middle age american housewifes and with Jerry..those are his public nowadays.
I cant listen to a single note from Bon Jovi songs nowadays,I just get instantly in a bad mood!

Good. They really need to get the message that people should not and will not pay their ridiculous prices!😡

Oh no, I jinxed it 😂

Just guessing but I have the feeling that to Bruce it isn't important if he makes a million more or less. He's probably fine if those kind of releases break even. Like you already pointed out, he cares for his fans and his music. Jon doesn't.

My guess would be that Matt has absolutely no clue at all what Hammersmith even is.

So,I was right...
The second email is a discount to the Runaway tours trip
Pathetic....but funny this time isnt selling well

Loads of people have lost jobs and been on furlough in last 18 months so what does Jon do…announce a runaway tour where it would cost a couple nearly $5k to go. He’s so out of touch with reality.

Work for the working man indeed.


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New Fan Club Package Updates
 

Re @xavi - it’s 30 years next year of Keep The Faith.
Probably their most important album in terms of how music had changed, would they survive grunge, sales started slowly and then it went onto sell millions and they become massive again.
The KTF tour was amazing.

We will get anything special? Nope. Too much effort.
Probably get a collection of Bergman photos with Jon watching them drinking Hamptons.

Was 33 years of NJ this year. Did Jon acknowledge it? Ok it’s not a significant number but it’s one of their best.


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We will get a remastered hd video of In These Arms on youtube...
And Jon will ask us for more money on a Runaway tours trip,a cruise,a renewal subscription of the DB Expe,sorry,the JBJ Experience
Money,money,give me more money!!

I have the exact same feelings... I'm starting thinking that I'll sell all my BJ collection. 21 years of collecting everything about this band because i believed that JBJ is a great songwriter with a heart on the right place and now I know I was wrong. He's just a pathetic business man who has a need in his 59 years old to steal money from his own naive fans. Just pathetic and now I have a really different opinion on this man...

Jon has always been business man, certainly since the 90's, but he's always been clever about it, maybe he was getting good advice and now he isn't. I don't know. But certainly a lot of the decisions the orginisation have made recently are dubious at best. It really does feel like he just doesn't care any more and wants to make as much money as he can while he still can, with the least amount of effort possible.

My thoughts exactly :/

I think there is zero difference in how Jon is now versus how he was in the 90's as a person. The difference is the bandcamp and third party vendors setting all this stuff up. It's being done cheaply to the lowest common denominator of fans. It's not like Jon was ever in the mail room sending this stuff out and coming up with cool ideas. He did the music, the management made sure it looked good. You lose the label, you lose funding, you go for the easy sale. JMO.

I think that's a disservice to Jon. He was always more than just the music and always took an active involvement in the day to day management of the band once Doc was fired, at least to my understanding. And the final word was always is. He just had a bigger and better team to work with back then.

In the same way he needed someone like Richie to stand up to him musically, and challenge his ideas, I think he is missing that now on the business side of things too. That's what happens when you surround yourself with people that just tell you that everything you say or do is great!

I'm wondering if he even knows *or cares* how badly his golden experience is received!

I just can't see Jon being the kind of person that doesn't want to know exactly what is going on with everything he is connected with. But maybe you're right. Maybe he's just letting Matt run with it. There's a huge error in judgement alone...

Maybe some have been conned by Jon protesting over the last 15 years that he is a singer/songwriter alongside the legends. The kinds of artists who do not do cruise ships, sends oven gloves to fans, deliver lazy products because the market is there.

I do not think it is caring about the fan. Who knows whether someone like Springsteen truly cares about the fan. What he does care about is his image as an artist.

Jon came from an era where selling the band as a product was OK, and he was also balls deep into the genre that embraced that idea more than most. Bon Jovi is a commerical entity as much as it is a band, and it has always been that way. That question is why Jon was once so smart about the business of Bon Jovi and is now seemingly making awful decisions.

I think generally Jon does want to know exactly what's going on with everything he's connected with and call the final shots or at least have a say in everything, but I think in the case of the Experience as well as the Runaway trips he's just letting Matt do his thing because he trusts him, but his judgement is sh*t because it's his brother.

It's totally Matt's job but since he's hanging with Jerry and the housewives, the fans are getting what they're getting :rolleyes: and the fact Jon LETS Matt do it as he pleases is a clear sign he doesn't care much about that whole thing as long as the money is flowing. Maybe when the cruises stop being sold out and the experience tanks, things will go in a different direction.

Jon hasn't retired yet but he's already acting as if he was busy with anything except for being a 'rock star'. I'm wondering if he's done with political songs/topical albums, too.

It doesn't take a smart team to come up with ideas that are better than what the Experience has been. They promised some of the stuff in the announcement, too.

Pretty much this. The rhetoric that the Experience isn't doing well because we're dissatisfied is a bit tired at this point because we don't know their numbers and know how easy the fanbase that buys multiple tickets per tour is to please.

But we'll probably never know how good/bad it's doing because they'll never admit it's flopping either way. But we can all agree it was very poorly run and uneven with what its offering.

If you knew nothing about The Experience up to this point and then watched Jon's promo video about it and then fast forwarded to today where the Dave Bergman videos are currently the backbone to this project, I think you'd actually lose some of your IQ because you'd be that confused.

With only a couple of months left to this disaster, it literally morphed into nothing. I haven't even logged into this piece of garbage in months. Whenever the last LA video posted was the last time.

I guarantee they continue it too because there is zero overhead and a ton of idiots out there who will still join at the full price.

If it does continue, I say we do a large group membership. Everyone throws in 5 bucks just to get access to a few live performances. **** them. They totally screwed us so we should all get the next year free anyway.

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Umm, easily :lol:

The fans they want/have eat that stuff up and for the demographic they are after, $200 a year is absolutely nothing to them. Why wouldn't they continue? It's an easy way to make a bunch of money.