Abortion
 

what do you think about it?
I just saw a report on it on telly....
sort of got me thinking.
I think it's everyone's own decision,
people shouldnt be judged for doing it,
especially if they have been raped...

sorry, i know its an awful theme (kind of)
but i would like to know what you think.

cheers :)

I disagree if somebody do this to kill her baby. But for the medical reason, I can tolerate that 8)

i'm not entirely what you mean Iwan... but the way I see it it is not a question of "killing" your baby... and I don't believe in original sin, so I suppose I'm for it...

but it depends on the reason...

the following SHOULD NOT BE AN INSULT IN ANY WAY- i just used this comment above as a little "spark"
3 questions to think about:
1. where is the border between abort or not-abort?
2. who makes this border?
3. what are factors on which the decision (or the borders) should be made? (mental or physical disability, life expectance, costs for therapies, right to live, worth of living, burden for the family,...)

add. question 4:
when does life begin? because "murder" is the intentional kill a living thing... you could say that life begins when the baby's born or at a certain state of the embryonal genesis

with aborting you also have to take care of the all the disabled people: if you suffer from pku (phenylketonuria) like my little cousin, an illness where you can't absorb a protein and on the effect you'll get heavily mental disabled but if you make a diet ALL LIFE LONG with phenylalanin-poor nutrition nearly nothing will happen to you- mentally and physically. so if you have this illness and read or hear that a mother aborted her baby when it came out it had pku because the mother doesn't want to have a child with pku cause it's a real heavy burden (nutrition is DAMNED expensive, the first years you have to visit the doc ~ 15+ times a month, you have to get a specialist on this illness yourself so that you know how much of this protein is in which nutr., what are the signs of an overdose of phenylalanin,...........)
you're gonna be thinking a lot about your illness, about your right to live and it'll come to your mind what YOUR mother would've done IF she had known before

if you (=own decision) abort a baby for any medical reason then all the living humans with that disease will be scared of their right to live. further on if you allow the abortion of disabled babies BY LAW then you kind of take away all the living humans with that disease the right to live. the next step which isn't too far off is to oblige people to abort their babies when they have a certain disability you would have to control every pregnancy which would result in a "brave new world". don't say that i'm phantasizing- just look at what was done in the 3rd Reich...

to get back to my little exapmle:
it was just one example of one disease from an uncountable amount of diseases and i named it because it's in my family- the boy is now 7 years old, started school this year and is (besides of him being lil (but sweet) pest :lol: ) mentally and physically normal- the only thing is that his pigmentation is a bit too light which is a small sideeffect on pku but if you don't know that you'll think he's just blond :lol:

RE: when does a life begin. im not sure anywhere else but theres a loophole int he law here that deems that one breath must be made before a baby is officially alive. there was a woman in the north of scotland maybe on an island i think who ot arrested for drowning her babies at birth but got away with it because her lawyer used that loophole to get her off. its a dangerous precedent that i dont totally agree with but i think abortion is OK and shou;d be totally down to the person.

when most people talk about abortion they think about it fromt he church's point of view. Abortion is such a personal thing that theres no way it can be applied universally. maybe someone really shouldnt be having children ie mental handicappe dor disabled people who hae no choice, maybe some people just arent good parents or maybe someone just doesnt want the baby. theres just too many different circumstances for it to be either right or wrong.

one thing i will say for people who go with the catholic view that it is wrong.

Why is it wrong? because the Catholic church says so.........

why do they say so? because its a sin..............

why is it a sin? because its ending a life................ *which is very debatable)

why is ending a life a sin? because the catholic church say so...........

circular argument. it assumes wot it tries to prove so maybe the church isnt as solid a foundation for moral views as most would think.

I hate religion in this respect...

"your baby is going to hell"

boring....

in which case don't post here instead of just saying that

:lol: ok

i hope you don't think that i wrote this because of any religous background- most of the things i wrote where from my ethic course :lol: - besides the story- it is true