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walter 03-18-2003 01:01 PM

should musicians talk about politic?
 
many people consider that musicians should stay where they are, and only play for fun. but you've got many ways to express your feelings, and talkin' about politic is something everybody does. why couldn't they talk about it? if you don't want to hear political lyrics, go to your favorite store to buy the last britney spears.

Mike McRock 03-18-2003 01:06 PM

Re: should musicians talk about politic?
 
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Originally Posted by walter
many people consider that musicians should stay where they are, and only play for fun. but you've got many ways to express your feelings, and talkin' about politic is something everybody does. why couldn't they talk about it? if you don't want to hear political lyrics, go to your favorite store to buy the last britney spears.

yes.... but Bon Jovi shouldn't. For somebody like Springsteen, or Dylan, who are poets, and the political side is important, that's great. But rock music is the ultimate leveler. It doesn't matter who you are, where you are, rock music is for everybody, and is something that everybody can enjoy. Just look at the Moscow Peace festival! It was rock music that came in, because it didn't have a political agenda, and it could unite these two sides in some way. Politics for me need to be left out of rock music. Of cource bands will have their privite feelings, but they should be kept privite. A musican should be for everybody, by taking political stands they are issolating certain fans, and bringing views, and politics into something that is just about the opposite of all that!

Mousebounce 03-18-2003 02:35 PM

Re: should musicians talk about politic?
 
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Originally Posted by Mike McRock
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Originally Posted by walter
many people consider that musicians should stay where they are, and only play for fun. but you've got many ways to express your feelings, and talkin' about politic is something everybody does. why couldn't they talk about it? if you don't want to hear political lyrics, go to your favorite store to buy the last britney spears.

yes.... but Bon Jovi shouldn't. For somebody like Springsteen, or Dylan, who are poets, and the political side is important, that's great. But rock music is the ultimate leveler. It doesn't matter who you are, where you are, rock music is for everybody, and is something that everybody can enjoy. Just look at the Moscow Peace festival! It was rock music that came in, because it didn't have a political agenda, and it could unite these two sides in some way. Politics for me need to be left out of rock music. Of cource bands will have their privite feelings, but they should be kept privite. A musican should be for everybody, by taking political stands they are issolating certain fans, and bringing views, and politics into something that is just about the opposite of all that!

Couldn't have said it better myself McRock. Well put! :wink:

SpainSambora 03-18-2003 03:22 PM

Me too

Becky 03-18-2003 04:08 PM

I don't have a problem with musicians expressing their opinions in interviews, but I do think it crosses a line when they use a stage to express their opinions. And, yes, that includes Bon Jovi. A person does not PAY for a concert to hear a political agenda. If a musician wants to do a political show, they shouldn't charge people to listen to their opinions--unless those opinions are clearly represented in their music and the opinions are part of the act. I also think it's a bad move on the part of a musician to use their stage to express their political views: look at the backlash Natalie Maines and the Dixie Chicks are getting.

Becky

choclady 03-18-2003 05:13 PM

I think they have the right to voice their opinions, even on stage. It's not like the whole show will be affected just because Jon mentions he disapproves of the war. He can say whatever he likes, and so can anyone else. As long as the right of free speech exists, people should be allowed to say their thoughts, it's what makes democracy so valuable.
I do agree, however, that it doesn't really belong to rock music. But as I've said before, I don't think it will affect the way people receive the show.

Mike McRock 03-18-2003 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by choclady
I think they have the right to voice their opinions, even on stage. It's not like the whole show will be affected just because Jon mentions he disapproves of the war. He can say whatever he likes, and so can anyone else. As long as the right of free speech exists, people should be allowed to say their thoughts, it's what makes democracy so valuable.
I do agree, however, that it doesn't really belong to rock music. But as I've said before, I don't think it will affect the way people receive the show.

that is true. But still, he's bringing in an issue that divides people. Some people will be offended by his views, and thus he's alianating himself from them. OK, maybe some peole don't see war as that controversial an issue, but if I was at a concert an Jon was singing a pro war song, I'd be very offended, and would hate it. What if Jon talks about hating Jews, or Black people? Is it right for him to bring this up in a concert, where there are going to be people who find this opinion offensive? Like I said, I think that rock music is a great leveler. I dont' know what happened to Jon, because in the past he's always said he keeps his own political views and beliefs for himself, friends and family. This is the reason why he was allowed into The U

Mike McRock 03-18-2003 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by choclady
I think they have the right to voice their opinions, even on stage. It's not like the whole show will be affected just because Jon mentions he disapproves of the war. He can say whatever he likes, and so can anyone else. As long as the right of free speech exists, people should be allowed to say their thoughts, it's what makes democracy so valuable.
I do agree, however, that it doesn't really belong to rock music. But as I've said before, I don't think it will affect the way people receive the show.

that is true. But still, he's bringing in an issue that divides people. Some people will be offended by his views, and thus he's alianating himself from them. OK, maybe some peole don't see war as that controversial an issue, but if I was at a concert an Jon was singing a pro war song, I'd be very offended, and would hate it. What if Jon talks about hating Jews, or Black people? Is it right for him to bring this up in a concert, where there are going to be people who find this opinion offensive? Like I said, I think that rock music is a great leveler. I dont' know what happened to Jon, because in the past he's always said he keeps his own political views and beliefs for himself, friends and family. This is the reason why he was allowed into The USSR to do the Moscow Peace festival, only because he kept these beliefs to himself. If he'd ahve started to air his beliefs on communism, and the cold war, then he would have been banned.

choclady 03-18-2003 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike McRock
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Originally Posted by choclady
I think they have the right to voice their opinions, even on stage. It's not like the whole show will be affected just because Jon mentions he disapproves of the war. He can say whatever he likes, and so can anyone else. As long as the right of free speech exists, people should be allowed to say their thoughts, it's what makes democracy so valuable.
I do agree, however, that it doesn't really belong to rock music. But as I've said before, I don't think it will affect the way people receive the show.

that is true. But still, he's bringing in an issue that divides people. Some people will be offended by his views, and thus he's alianating himself from them. OK, maybe some peole don't see war as that controversial an issue, but if I was at a concert an Jon was singing a pro war song, I'd be very offended, and would hate it. What if Jon talks about hating Jews, or Black people? Is it right for him to bring this up in a concert, where there are going to be people who find this opinion offensive? Like I said, I think that rock music is a great leveler. I dont' know what happened to Jon, because in the past he's always said he keeps his own political views and beliefs for himself, friends and family. This is the reason why he was allowed into The USSR to do the Moscow Peace festival, only because he kept these beliefs to himself. If he'd ahve started to air his beliefs on communism, and the cold war, then he would have been banned.

i can see where you are coming from but dont you think there is a great span between someone saying he hates jews and someone disapproving of a war? I don't see this as an insult to people...
But I don't think Jon will say it at a show again because now people know. He's not a peace activist per se.

Mousebounce 03-18-2003 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Becky
I don't have a problem with musicians expressing their opinions in interviews, but I do think it crosses a line when they use a stage to express their opinions. And, yes, that includes Bon Jovi. A person does not PAY for a concert to hear a political agenda. If a musician wants to do a political show, they shouldn't charge people to listen to their opinions--unless those opinions are clearly represented in their music and the opinions are part of the act. I also think it's a bad move on the part of a musician to use their stage to express their political views: look at the backlash Natalie Maines and the Dixie Chicks are getting.

Becky

Notice that has soon as Natalie got back to the states, she apologized. I think they got caught up in the Anti-American sentiment in Europe. Once they got back, the received instant backlash, which was well-deserved.


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