[DrNickFeelgood]

This is an indirect response to the post about "Why Bon Jovi Dont Rock Anymore"
For the record and for everyone with a minor musical knowledge, Bon Jovi NEVER rocked hard to the degree of harder edged metal acts like Guns N Roses or even to some extent Motley Crue.

Bon Jovi have always been the bridge between pop and harder metal acts.Even in the eighties they were classed with the "soft" rock acts like poison. Harder bands like Guns were in a different catagory of rock in almost every respect. They never supscribed(publically anyway) to the grand excesses of girls booze n drugs like Guns n Motley did. Jon was always seen as the acceptable face of "rock music" that your mum would like.

Granted in recent years Jovi have been geared slightly more to the straight-up pop formula rather than radio friendly pop-metal of Slippery,NJ and the epic,slightly harder KTF but it must be pointed out that Bon Jovi never were,nor were they ever intened to be, a hard metal band.They have always been a "Top 40" band. If you dont like who Bon Jovi are simply listen to another "hardcore" metal band and stop wasting your time on Jon n Co's feelgood pop metal.The guys arent trying to kid anyone about who they are and i wish people would stop complaining about something they think the band should be about.

[Javier]

I still don't understand why anyone would register into a message boardjust to complain about what everyone in the message board is talking about, or about a certain topic that everyone is obviously gonna disagree on.
For everyone that thinks that Being Rock has to do with the Tempo of the song or the distortion on the guitar, you have another one that thinks Rock is something you feel that comes from the gut, and if someone doesn't feel like the guys are writing and performing from the gut anymore and wants to post about it then let them, it doesn't do any harm to you now does it?
The stone are Rock, Bon Jovi are Rock, Guns are Rock maybe not the same kinda rock but rock nonetheless, and anyone with even a slight knowledge of what rock & roll is would knoe what i'm talking about.

[Hard Rocker]

Originally Posted by Javier

I still don't understand why anyone would register into a message boardjust to complain about what everyone in the message board is talking about, or about a certain topic that everyone is obviously gonna disagree on.
For everyone that thinks that Being Rock has to do with the Tempo of the song or the distortion on the guitar, you have another one that thinks Rock is something you feel that comes from the gut, and if someone doesn't feel like the guys are writing and performing from the gut anymore and wants to post about it then let them, it doesn't do any harm to you now does it?
The stone are Rock, Bon Jovi are Rock, Guns are Rock maybe not the same kinda rock but rock nonetheless, and anyone with even a slight knowledge of what rock & roll is would knoe what i'm talking about.

I totally agree with you.
Bon Jovi and Guns N' Rose are classified as Hard Rock bands. The Guns N' Roses hard rock is different from Bon Jovi hard rock, but this doesn't mean Bon Jovi isn't a rock band!!!
From 80's bands, Bon Jovi is the softest band in terms of rock n' roll, but once again, they ARE classified as a Hard Rock band.

[Thomas Anderson]

Personally I don't care for classifications, but in the general way people do categorise bands I'd have said Bon Jovi were Rock/Rock'n'Roll, never really Hard Rock, even with some of the stuff from Keep The Faith or These Days.

I think that albums like Slippery When Wet and Crush are more Rock'n'Roll than Rock, and personally I do think that there is a distinction between the categories. I see Rock'n'Roll as the early stuff from the 50's/60's, Chuck Berry, The Beatles, Elvis etc. To me Rock is 70's/80's stuff mostly, Led Zepplin, Aerosmith, Bruce Springsteen, Queen etc.

I think that the best example of a recent Rock'n'Roll song is Captain Crash, I think it's quite a fun song and really sounds Rock'n'Roll. There are songs on Crush and Bounce which I'd say were more Pop, such as Misunderstood, or more Pop/Rock would be Everyday, but even on those albums I think there's songs like One Wild Night which sound more 80's, like the "old" Bon Jovi. I think they tried to sound tougher on Bounce with songs like Hook Me Up and The Distance and whereas I like them I do think they are quite Pop/Rock.

I think that Have A Nice Day sounds a bit like some of the Crush and Bounce stuff but, and I've only heard the single, not been after snippets of the new stuff, I think it sounds more like the "old" Bon Jovi in terms of it sounds more agressive and they sound more passionate with it.

Feel free to dis-regard what I've said, it's 3am and my head is hardly clear, and I know someone will disect my post to tell me how wrong I am but I don't care. As I said I don't like classifications. To me Bon Jovi is Bon Jovi, just like Aerosmith is Aerosmith and Bruce is Bruce etc etc.

All artists change, their writing styles change, otherwise they'd get boring writing the same stuff again and again. I still like some of the music Bon Jovi produce, which is why I still "follow" the band. I don't know why some people here still do though when they haven't liked the bands music for 10 years, along with complaining about the shows and blah blah blah

I don't post nor even look in the Bon Jovi section of this site too often anymore because of the constant moaning and argueing. I know that we shouldn't all agree or like everything they put out, but argueing about things you don't even like seems like a pathetic waste of time.

[spunkywho]

Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson

All artists change, their writing styles change, otherwise they'd get boring writing the same stuff again and again.

This is very true. I am trying to think of an artist that has remained the same from the beginning. Seriously, I can't think of any 'good' artists that have not evolved and with that unfortunately, I mean they've changed their style and lost fans and gained new ones. Even my most favorite bands have 'changed' (BJ included). I don't like it, hence I keep moaning and hoping for a return to the old times. But I suppose it's a fact of life.

I don't know why some people here still do though when they haven't liked the bands music for 10 years, along with complaining about the shows and blah blah blah

you might in about 15 years Honestly, once you 'followed' a band - many bands - for a LOOOONG time and lose touch and things get out of focus, is when you'll understand - until then, do not judge

but argueing about things you don't even like seems like a pathetic waste of time.

oh Neil, honey!!! I have to put this dig in (forgive me) but it is never as much a waste of time as watching 'Back to the future' for the 349870th time :P smile




As for the main topic at hand: Who cares? So the other title should read "Why BJ don't pop-rock anymore" Big deal. All the bands you brought up in your post ARE pop rock bands - Motley, Guns, Aerosmith ... all the same - they are all selling tons of records because they were popular!! Big freaking deal.

[Thomas Anderson]

Originally Posted by spunkywho

you might in about 15 years Honestly, once you 'followed' a band - many bands - for a LOOOONG time and lose touch and things get out of focus, is when you'll understand - until then, do not judge

There were things I used to like that I don't anymore so I just don't give any attention to them, I don't moan about how I don't like them anymore

Originally Posted by spunkwho

oh Neil, honey!!! I have to put this dig in (forgive me) but it is never as much a waste of time as watching 'Back to the future' for the 349870th time :P smile

Well you picked the silliest possible example. I love those films so I watch them again and again. I do not like, for example, the film Grease, so I never watch that. If I don't like something I just don't bother with it, I just feel that argueing the same stuff again and again about a thing that I don't like is silly and a waste of time.

[Krycek]

I don't really understand peoples overwhelming need to clasify bands or artists into certain "types" of music. Bon Jovi are a rock band, plain and simple. Are they a rock band like Gun's and Roses? No. Are they a rock band like Matallica? No. They are a rock band and they have their own distinct sound.

And who in their right mind would want Bon Jovi or any band to stick to one style of music. Some Bon Jovi songs are hard rock (Hey God), some are pop-rock (It's My Life) and some are just straight up classic rock (I Believe). I think things would get pretty damn boring if they stuck rigidly to one style of music.

The great thing about this band is that they can do any style and pull it off and always, even at their hardest, are able to keep it open and accesible to a wide audience of music lovers, not just rock fans.


Phil

[JoviForever]

Originally Posted by DrNickFeelgood

This is an indirect response to the post about "Why Bon Jovi Dont Rock Anymore"
For the record and for everyone with a minor musical knowledge, Bon Jovi NEVER rocked hard to the degree of harder edged metal acts like Guns N Roses or even to some extent Motley Crue.

Bon Jovi have always been the bridge between pop and harder metal acts.Even in the eighties they were classed with the "soft" rock acts like poison. Harder bands like Guns were in a different catagory of rock in almost every respect. They never supscribed(publically anyway) to the grand excesses of girls booze n drugs like Guns n Motley did. Jon was always seen as the acceptable face of "rock music" that your mum would like.

Granted in recent years Jovi have been geared slightly more to the straight-up pop formula rather than radio friendly pop-metal of Slippery,NJ and the epic,slightly harder KTF but it must be pointed out that Bon Jovi never were,nor were they ever intened to be, a hard metal band.They have always been a "Top 40" band. If you dont like who Bon Jovi are simply listen to another "hardcore" metal band and stop wasting your time on Jon n Co's feelgood pop metal.The guys arent trying to kid anyone about who they are and i wish people would stop complaining about something they think the band should be about.

Your the one who has come here to complain!

[Supersonic]

Aloha !

To DrNickFeelgood: You could just have posted a reply instead of making a new topic.

Originally Posted by DrNickFeelgood

Granted in recent years Jovi have been geared slightly more to the straight-up pop formula rather than radio friendly pop-metal of Slippery,NJ and the epic,slightly harder KTF but it must be pointed out that Bon Jovi never were,nor were they ever intened to be, a hard metal band.They have always been a "Top 40" band. If you dont like who Bon Jovi are simply listen to another "hardcore" metal band and stop wasting your time on Jon n Co's feelgood pop metal.The guys arent trying to kid anyone about who they are and i wish people would stop complaining about something they think the band should be about.

You obviously didn't understand the point I was trying to make. I never, never said they a metal band or so, I just said that the pace of a show could be compared to one. When you listen to a Bon Jovi show from the early nineties or late eighties, the pace is just as high as at a Metallica show from that time, it's just a different sort of show. When you listen to one of the shows nowdays, the pace and atmosphere is completely different, because it's got too many pop songs in them.

Originally Posted by Krycek

I don't really understand peoples overwhelming need to clasify bands or artists into certain "types" of music. Bon Jovi are a rock band, plain and simple. Are they a rock band like Gun's and Roses? No. Are they a rock band like Matallica? No. They are a rock band and they have their own distinct sound.

People need to classify this band into a certain type of music because at the time Bon Jovi were rock/pop they were great, and at the time they're pop/rock they suck. It's a simple as that, and that's why people want to classify this band that way.

Originally Posted by Krycek

And who in their right mind would want Bon Jovi or any band to stick to one style of music. Some Bon Jovi songs are hard rock (Hey God), some are pop-rock (It's My Life) and some are just straight up classic rock (I Believe). I think things would get pretty damn boring if they stuck rigidly to one style of music.

The great thing about this band is that they can do any style and pull it off and always, even at their hardest, are able to keep it open and accesible to a wide audience of music lovers, not just rock fans.

Which is exactly the problem. They can not do any style. The pop songs are weak because they aren't really like the pop music that's in the charts nowadays, but it's certainly no rock music either. Because they want to be accessible to a wide audience of music lovers, they've lost the plot and right direction. You can't please everyone, and Bon Jovi nowadays just seems to be about pleasing the audience they can make the most money of instead of making the great music that made them this big.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

[Rob]

Bon Jovi has always been a commercially driven band. In my opinion they are in a category which known asl "Commercial Rock". Bon Jovi are definately rock in my opinion. Some tracks such as Hey God, Fear, GGDAWW are as hard as most Guns N Roses songs (if that's who defines rock). I prefer a commercial edge to rock music because if it's just really really heavy, its just pure noise and you can't make the lyrics out (probably because they're pointeless). Anyone can do that and I prefer a song to mean something.

The other factor is the fine line between rock and pop. Where do you draw the line? It's a matter of personal opinion. For me I would class albums such as SWW, NJ, KTF, TD, etc as rock, where Bounce and Crush are pretty much pop. Frome what I've heard so far it seems like HAND may return the band to the rock genre.