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Old 05-30-2020, 01:21 PM
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Again, this is not Jon's fault...
Yes and it most likely wasn't even his decision. Why some people are too naive to see that, I don't think I'll ever understand...
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Album sales have completely gone to shit during covid. It's a no brainer for the record company to want to delay it. There needs to be a return on investment. It's at best incredibly na´ve to blame Jon for the decision.

It would be nice to have something to tide us over, and they have given us some performances, but the world is on pause and the priority is for them to look after themselves and their families.
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I dont.

For me this is just the ultimate peak of Jon's behaviour.
You have zero idea how the record industry works and want to vilify someone for a band you haven't liked in maybe 30 years? I guess I just don't get it. It's weird enough watching people criticise ANYTHING post 2000 but anything post 80's takes some serious time to complain about.
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Album sales have completely gone to shit during covid. It's a no brainer for the record company to want to delay it. There needs to be a return on investment. It's at best incredibly na´ve to blame Jon for the decision.

It would be nice to have something to tide us over, and they have given us some performances, but the world is on pause and the priority is for them to look after themselves and their families.
It's all about the money, isn't it? Typical Mr CEO's behavior.

What about us, the loyal hardcore fans who supported this band through thick and thin from '86 to '92?

Why can't they, against any commercial sense, just release an album that we will not enjoy?

F**k Jon! This mess would not have taken place under Alec John's watch!

P.S. Jon's behavior does not bother me.
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What about us, the loyal hardcore fans who supported this band through thick and thin from '86 to '92?

Why can't they, against any commercial sense, just release an album that we will not enjoy?

F**k Jon! This mess would not have taken place under Alec John's watch!

P.S. Jon's behavior does not bother me.
HAHAHAHA laughing my ass off at this. "I LOVED TWO ALBUMS, WHY WONT YOU DO WHAT I WANT"
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You can call me whatever you want.

But to think, that its not solely Jon's decision when the band Bon Jovi releases or doesnt release a new record is completely "naive", "childish", "short-sighted", "pathetic", "having zero idea how the record industry works" and "too naive".

Bongiovi: "I'm a CEO for a major corporation who is running a brand for 25 years" ["When We Were Beautiful" document]

Case of mr. Bongiovi:

He's always been determined but also a turncoat and opportunist:

-Runaway being a hit after Jon bringing it to radio stations
-Slippery taking off after sacking Alec John Such and bringing in Desmond Child
-Being able to answer to Grunge era (in 1992) with at least one US TOP 10 hit after almost completely changing and shaping the musical style of Bon Jovi with the help of marketing and Desmond Child
-Pushing Europe in the 90s when US market was dry for Jovi (this is what eventually saved the band' status in "#1 league")
-Getting the new comeback hit with swedish writers in 2000
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-delaying "2020" album because of covid-19

These can all be considered as "artistic development and creative growth" but in case of mr. Bongiovi more as "wise business". Every artist surely does both but on Jon's behaviour its glaring how his more after filled stadiums & business than making art/music. ("I wanna fill arenas" again he said right after Slippery)

The only time Jon was being dead honest and making music for the sake of music was in 1990 with Blaze Of Glory. He wrote 10 awesome and varied tracks and provided his best vocal tracks ever (being forced to use demo tracks on some released version as they were so good ["Guitar for the practising musician" October, 1990]).

Case of Sambora:

Richie is such an indispensable part of Bon Jovi. More than Jon will ever acknowledge. He's the one that brought all the classic guitar riffs into the game. He's at least 33% responsible for the greatest melodies in the history of rock n roll.

Here's what he said in 2018:

“I thought we should have made more strides to become a band,” Sambora told Rock Talk With Mitch Lafon in a recent interview, when the discussion steered to the group's second album 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit. “It was going towards Jon being the front-guy and nothing else. I kept on going, ‘American rock 'n’ roll band, American rock 'n’ roll band, American rock 'n’ roll band.’”

And that's exactly what he does on his latest solo effort "Aftermath of the lowdown".

I honestly believe (nevertheless my previous comment) that "What Aout Now" could've been their *hands down* best work since the 90s had it been more of a band effort & different production. The songs are there, as well as Sambora.

My whole point of starting this thread was: Jon's always been an opportunist but to me this sudden term of delaying the new album was the last straw and soon he will surely be beating a dead horse.

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You can call me whatever you want.

But to think, that its not solely Jon's decision when the band Bon Jovi releases or doesnt release a new record is completely "naive", "childish", "short-sighted", "pathetic", "having zero idea how the record industry works" and "too naive".
Wrong. Jon licences the music to the label. It is then the label who have the final decision as to when the album will be released. Of course they will confer with Jon, and arrange something that works for both the band and the label mutually, but it's the label that have paid Jon for the album and they want to make their money back (and make a profit on it). They want to release the album when it will sell the most copies, and they have the final say about release dates. Jon simply CANNOT demand that the label delay the album, but the label can absolutely insist that the album is delayed.

If the band were releasing the album on their own label then and only then would Jon have the final say on release dates etc.
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Almost. every. major. label. act. delayed their albums except for the ones that know it will sell no matter what. Go after them and tell their fanbase your theories.

I refuse to debate someone who make points like:

-Slippery taking off after sacking Alec John Such and bringing in Desmond Child

WHAT? Some of those things you listed, the Max Martin for Crush thing, were most likely put through by the label. If the band wanted Say it Isn't So to be the first single and set up the IML stuff how is Jon a turncoat? Again. Label.

We're in the middle of a pandemic. The industry is in even more shambles than usual, it's just crazy to use this to fuel hate for the guy.
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I refuse to debate someone who make points like:

-Slippery taking off after sacking Alec John Such and bringing in Desmond Child
They brought in Hugh McDonald to compose & contribute to writing of Slippery When Wet and recording the album. And Desmond was brought in to make sure the album got hits. And it took off.

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We're in the middle of a pandemic. The industry is in even more shambles than usual, it's just crazy to use this to fuel hate for the guy.
You can call it hate if that makes you feel better. I'm only utterly dissapointed in his decisions of being more of a business guy than a musician.
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They brought in Hugh McDonald to compose & contribute to writing of Slippery When Wet and recording the album. And Desmond was brought in to make sure the album got hits. And it took off.



You can call it hate if that makes you feel better. I'm only utterly dissapointed in his decisions of being more of a business guy than a musician.
What do you want then? How can you be dissapointed for events from 1986 forward. You're idolizing a band who you loved from 1984 to 1986? Griping about Jon's lack of effort, all for it, having problems with the business being more important than the music? Right there with you. But having beef with Desmond Child's inclusion? Bud, time to move on from that one.
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