To the "Alec" lovers:

danfan · #31 09-21-2011, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

Call it what you want. But Jon kicking Alec out of the band after 12 years for not being a good bass player is absolute shit! Bon Jovi might be the first and only band in the history of bands to actually kick out a member after 10 years of service for "not being good enough" You listen to Jon on VH1 and believe his bullshit. Every band has a weak player and there is always someone out there better. You don't just kick a dude out. Wake Up People

And after the NJ tour, why would the biggest band in the WORLD break up? Money Money Money. Richie wanted half!!!!! Jon said FU....

Look, I know people (around Jon's age) who've played the Jersey scene with those guys. They are not fans. They are not haters. Just regular guys. They have told me some cool stories. Some I've already know and others like the one above. I could tell that they are not BSing me and really could'nt give a shit if I believed them or not anyway.

I'm sure there was some truth to Jon's Alec story but at the end of the day, Mr Loyal JBJ who doesn't like change, who uses the same song writers and producers over and over again, did not kick Alec out b/c he was concered with how the band sounded live. It took him 12 years to figure that all out?

Hummm, after 6 tours.... 50 countries ....... 60 million albums...... 10 million faces.... and 12 years, lets get rid of our average Bass Player for a better one.

I don't buy it. These guys knew the deal from Day 1. It was Jon's band. They were his employees. It was an odd arrangement for a band, but it was just how things worked out. I've read dozens of different stories on the Alec issue. Richie even said it on BTM - He was messing up live. They could cover it up in the studio (Hugh), but couldn't sacrifice what they sounded like live. I don't think there was a serious problem with his playing from the beginning. It just took shape during the KTF tour. Wasn't Alec in some motorcycle accident, where he messed his hand up? That could have been the whole problem.

I simply refuse to believe a band that was pissed at the CEO (Jon) about money, could possibly stay together all these years.

Rdkopper · #32 09-21-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rainsong

But you do let a dude go if he can't be bothered any longer to learn the new music prior to tour time. I've always suspected it was more of the "you are all in, or all out " thing with Jon more than anything else. Alec opted to distance himself from the band, to do "other things" while the band made records, then just show up and reap the benefits of their work live.

Listen, If you're making millions, there is no such thing as "You Can't Be Bothered"

If you're making crap, that's when you lose the interest.

Rdkopper · #33 09-21-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Crushgen24/88

I don't think you're 100% wrong, HOWEVER I think it's a mixture of factors.
1. We know that Alec probably didn't play on every studio track on the first four records, as Hugh is credited on all of them.

2. As stated before, the bass sound on KTF doesn't sound like Alec at all, much more of a Huey style.

3. It's easy to notice a decline in Alec's musicianship between 80's bootlegs and KTF-Era shows.

Now, personally I think it's a mixture of everything. Before the KTF sessions Jon basically took total control of the band (creating BJM and etc.) and judging by comments from AJS interviews, he didn't seem to take that well. This, coupled with contracts, coupled with a decline in live skills, coupled with the fact that Alec had probably not been a full studio member anyway all mixed into Alec's exit from the band.

Absolutly agree. There are two sides to every story. Jon will say Alec F-ed up which he probably did. Alec will say Jon was a cheap F which is probably is.

Richie aside, I bet the other 3 don't make what you'd think they would make. I'm sure it's more than the average person will ever see but I don't think it's the Hollywood style millions either. I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than a million per album/tour. Just a guess.

I'm curious to know what Bobby makes? I'd guess less than a 1/2 million for that last tour. Maybe 300K? Any ideas?

ticos_stick · #34 09-21-2011, 02:59 PM

I think Tico and Dave make a considerable amount off each show. £50-60k easy. Hugh and Bobby would be on a bit less.

No one but the band and accountants can truly know but it's a lucrative business, there's plenty to go around.

Captain_jovi · #35 09-21-2011, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by yomamasofat

He's the real rock of Bon Jovi. After he left, Bon Jovi got soft.

Agreed. They kicked him out and said "Finally, we can cut our hair, aim for the AOR charts and play the music we want. I'm sick of being strong-armed into playing loud rock music"

Like...are you serious? He didn't write a single thing on the albums he played on. It's so backwards that we attack people for gushing over Jon's looks vs talent when here we are saying "No, he wasn't a great bass player but he looked great I hope he comes back"

Bleedingguitar · #36 09-21-2011, 04:17 PM

^^Didn't they write the whole of 'These Days' after Alec left.

Bleedingguitar · #37 09-21-2011, 04:23 PM

Why is it that everybody here recognizes the fact that Alec's playing wasn't up to the mark (especially compared to Hugh)- and yet finds it hard to believe that Jon fired him because of his playing.

Captain_jovi · #38 09-21-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleedingguitar

^^Didn't they write the whole of 'These Days' after Alec left.

Attributing the stylistic change to a guy who wasn't writing with them to begin with is pointless, though.

Bleedingguitar · #39 09-21-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi

Attributing the stylistic change to a guy who wasn't writing with them to begin with is pointless, though.

That's not what I was doing, I was refuting the point made by yomamasofat that they became soft when he left.

Captain_jovi · #40 09-21-2011, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleedingguitar

That's not what I was doing, I was refuting the point made by yomamasofat that they became soft when he left.

Oh, okay, my bad.

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