Where did it all go wrong :(

Originally Posted by Panda

Yep. I was there. Bobby taking the lead. Good God.

Originally Posted by Panda

Yep. I was there. Bobby taking the lead. Good God.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I'm not sure that rescheduling the Denver show at this point would be a good idea, honestly. If you had made arrangements to go to two shows that were both cancelled within a month of each other, would you even consider taking a risk on a third one? Especially if you knew that the second one had been cancelled just to make space in the schedule for a show at a preferred venue? I don't think I would. Maybe next tour or at least a little further down the road.

But then the Denver fans may not see it that way at all. Based on comments people have made here and in the other thread, it seems that the general consensus is that not only is there nothing unethical or unprofessional about an artist breaking an agreement that was made in good faith, but it's a sound business move. I still don't think it's right, but maybe I'm just missing something.

Like people have said, I guess it's just a risk you take when you buy tickets.

Originally Posted by Walleris

Wasn't it a good show otherwise? I remember watching a few YouTube vids (I'll Be There For You, in particular) and though Jon was really into it. Plus, this was right before his voice started to completely go south.

Originally Posted by Panda

The "show" itself was great - Jon really took the extra liberty to make up for it. I remember Who Says You Can't Go Home being one of the best I had ever seen.

But dear God Bobby's tone was so freaking bad. Raise Your Hands, Bad Name and the solo for Wanted were particularly incredibly dreadful. There wasn't even a guitar solo in a couple songs- There was none in Bad Name for instance. I flew to Winnipeg the next day and Phil X was there. The show was a lot more stable, but Jon kind of was absent - The show in Winnipeg was easily the worst show I had ever been to not only to Bon Jovi standards, but to my concert standards.

Originally Posted by jovifan93

Which is kind of "funny" (not for the people that went like you, of course), because in the first one, you have the backing guitarist taking lead, being unable to fill the shoes, and at the same time missing the backing guitar, which on paper must've just been really bad, and in the second one, you have a great guitarist, which may have forgot a note or to in 2 years, and a frontman who feels sorry for himself and isn't delivering up to standards

Originally Posted by Walleris

Which just shows how important Jon's performance is for the quality of the show. For better or worse, he carries it. It's JBJ and friends.

Which is why I'd happily chose 2008-2011 Jon with Bobby lead over current Jon with Phil.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue

I'm sorry; and thank you. People have sometimes complained about the length of my posts, but I don't think anyone has ever told me specifically what it was about "all the words" that annoyed them. (Don't get me wrong. They've been specific enough about annoying opinions; just not about the style. LOL) Although one guy did say that I was difficult to argue with because I had a comeback for everything. I wonder, now, if what he meant was that I labored the point and wouldn't let it go. Something for me to think about, anyway, so I sincerely appreciate your comments.



No, I wasn't saying Richie had never said "I wrote..." when it would have been more accurate to say, "I co-wrote..." As you say, he's done that many times. And you're also correct about Jon being the only one who is credited as the sole writer on some of the songs. But he has often said, "I wrote..." when he was talking about songs he co-wrote, too. They have both done that as far back as NJ, I guess. I know it goes back as far as interviews for the first solo albums. Even David said, "I wrote it" when someone questioned why he would sing ITA in some of his shows.



The point was that nobody got upset or assumed that any of them was taking undeserved credit until after Richie left in 2013. THEN ppl started raking him over the coals, and said he was trying to act like he wrote the songs alone. I don't think he ever said, or meant to imply that. He was just repeating some of the same comments he had been making for years. The same is true for the other comments people took exception to. There was nothing new in them. That includes the comments he made in the video you posted. I had forgotten about the "lead singer" comment but that one caused a stir, too. Sometimes it was "the lead singer" and other times it was "a lead singer"; but if you look at his pre-Jovi history, it's pretty clear that the only time he was "the" lead singer was when he pulled together whatever musicians were available on a given night to play the bars under the name "Richie Sambora and Friends." So it sounds like an exaggeration, but the fact is, it's also true that he did often sing lead in the other bands he was in, not like IBTFY with Jovi, as an occasional fill-in for the lead singer; but he actually recorded the lead vocals in certain songs, and then sang those songs in the shows. (Think Brian May, Keith Richards.)



The reason I asked if you thought Jon was also classless when he made some of the same statements (and some that claimed even more credit) is because a lot of the same fans who thought Richie was an asshole for saying, "I wrote..." thought it was perfectly okay for David or Jon to make the same statements under the same conditions because "they weren't dissing the band." To me, it seemed like they were on a witch-hunt and just looking for more reasons to be pissed off with Richie. That was the only explanation I could see since he's been making the same comments since they were all "puppies".



So I wondered if you, too, were holding Richie to a different standard than the one you held others to. A lot of people here have been prone to do that since April 2013. It's probably a moot point, anyway. Captain Jovi made a good point in an earlier post. By now most people have already made up their minds and don't want to be confused with facts.



Reading back over my earlier post, I realized that my questions may have sounded more like an accusation than I intended. It's a raw nerve with me; but I truly was just curious. So I hope you weren't offended.



And btw, I promise: No solicitors required.