The Richie Sambora & Orianthi album

jon-flp · #**2881** 02-01-2018, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90

There must have been an insane amount of tension - just watch their behaviour on the BBC radio 2 gig from January 2013. They were both pretty gutted of each other there.

Yes, they were. But we can't say the same thing on this one. (the last one of Richie). They were in a very great mood...Just watch I'll be there and wanted from this show. Really weird and sad what happened after this gig.

Bon Jovi - Live in Lubbock 2013 (Richie's LAST...

wichi850262 · #**2882** 02-01-2018, 04:23 PM

Am I in the wrong thread here?

rolo_tomachi · #**2883** 02-01-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wichi850262

Am I in the wrong thread here?

When it comes to Richie, you will always see a bifurcation.

steel_horse75 · #**2884** 02-01-2018, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jon-flp

Yes, they were. But we can't say the same thing on this one. (the last one of Richie). They were in a very great mood...Just watch I'll be there and wanted from this show. Really weird and sad what happened after this gig.

Bon Jovi - Live in Lubbock 2013 (Richie's LAST SHOW) - YouTube

The hug is still there at 58mins. He must have literally dropped off a cliff the before the next gig

steel_horse75 · #**2885** 02-01-2018, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi

Jon pressured Richie and the boys to record an album (rolleyes) .

Im pro Jon but this is true. WAN sounds like a JBJ solo album.
Im not even sure the rest of the band played on it.

Captain_jovi · #**2886** 02-01-2018, 05:54 PM

There's video footage of Hugh saying he did in an interview. The rest....I mean it SOUNDS like them but odds are the drum, keys and bass were done towards the end. I hear Shanks's style of playing all over it but I hear tons of Richie too. Watered down, uninspired playing but it's there.

JackieBlue · #**2887** 02-01-2018, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

It's not speculation Jackie... This isn't a court of law where someone is innocent until proven guilty... It's common sense... It's been 5 years... Enough has been said and enough has been seen to complete the puzzle...

By definition, it really is speculation, whether you want to agree with that or not.

But you're right about it being 5 years. So why do people keep bringing it up? As Seb astutely noted, all it takes for me to post number whatever-the-**** it is, is for someone to start bitching about it. So if everybody is tired of the rehashing that occurs, why do people start it up? For that matter, why does JON keep bringing it up? As you say, it's old news. And please, spare me the Jon-doesn't-bring-it-up-it's-the-reporters-who-do-that justifications. I mean, hell, Richie knows how to move reporters on from what he doesn't think is an appropriate discussion. Do you mean to tell me that you believe Richie can handle reporters and their questions better, and with more diplomacy, than Jon can? I have to say, that opinion would surprise me.

You're also right that it isn't a court of law. And it's a damn good thing for you guys that it isn't. If it were, about three thirds of what Jon has said about this situation over the last 5 years would be thrown out as immaterial, irrelevant, prejudicial, and self-contradicting. And what "everyone on this board" knows to be fact would be ruled as inadmissible, because it's nothing more than assumptions based on hearsay and observations of behaviors which could, in fact, have any number of underlying causes. Besides which, at least in a U.S court of law, since Richie has yet to tell his side of the story, the case couldn't be closed anyway.

Not that any of that matters to me. The belief that someone is innocent until proven guilty is one of my core values. As far as I'm concerned, that principle applies whether I'm in a court of law or not.

Does any of that make the conclusions drawn by "everyone on this board" wrong? Absolutely not. I have never said they are. You and "everyone" else might be 100% correct. I don't deny that. I don't even disagree with a lot of what you all say. I just acknowledge the fact that there is also a possibility that your conclusions could just as easily prove to be 100% inaccurate. My bet is that the truth lies somewhere in between those extremes. Because "common sense" also tells us that things are seldom as they seem on the surface and that the majority isn't always right (or always wrong), simply because they're the majority.

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper

...This entire board sees it and knows it yet you are in some type of denial... [That's] why I'm sorry...

Believe me, I would never want to turn anything into a political discussion and I raise this point only for comparison. But using your logic, one could conclude that you are wrong about Trump being good for this country. From the discussions I've read, it seems that you're the Lone Ranger when it comes to supporting our president, while the majority of the people on this board disagree. So, still using your logic, they must be right about him being a corrupt idiot, and all the other negatives they spew about him. I mean, on the surface, it looks like "this entire board sees it and knows it, yet you're in some type of denial".

I personally don't agree with that assessment, because I think both sides make some valid points, and for my money, Trump is no better or worse than Hillary would have been. But if we're applying your logic, maybe I need to offer my condolences to you as well.

JackieBlue · #**2888** 02-01-2018, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wichi850262

Am I in the wrong thread here?

You mean you don't recognize it??

(But just so you know... THEY started it. And if you don't believe me, just ask Seb.)

Jeeper · #**2889** 02-01-2018, 07:38 PM

If Richie was serving up fantastic live shows and actually showcasing his talent I think fewer people would harp on about the possible reasons why he left. It’s human nature to question why when the answers are unknown. Everyone on this board makes assumptions in life. This is no different.

I don’t particularly like the guy these days but I don’t have to in order to like his music. His personality is irrelevant if he writes fantastic songs. Same with the live shows. If they’re great, I’d go and see them because it’s the music and the performance I’m paying for, not him as a person.

I’m baffled that people actually think there’s a witch hunt against RS. He’s rightly being criticised for things and rightly praised for others.

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Rdkopper · #**2890** 02-01-2018, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue

By definition, it really is speculation, whether you want to agree with that or not.

But you're right about it being 5 years. So why do people keep bringing it up? As Seb astutely noted, all it takes for me to post number whatever-the-**** it is, is for someone to start bitching about it. So if everybody is tired of the rehashing that occurs, why do people start it up? For that matter, why does JON keep bringing it up? As you say, it's old news. And please, spare me the Jon-doesn't-bring-it-up-it's-the-reporters-who-do-that justifications. I mean, hell, Richie knows how to move reporters on from what he doesn't think is an appropriate discussion. Do you mean to tell me that you believe Richie can handle reporters and their questions better, and with more diplomacy, than Jon can? I have to say, that opinion would surprise me.

You're also right that it isn't a court of law. And it's a damn good thing for you guys that it isn't. If it were, about three thirds of what Jon has said about this situation over the last 5 years would be thrown out as immaterial, irrelevant, prejudicial, and self-contradicting. And what "everyone on this board" knows to be fact would be ruled as inadmissible, because it's nothing more than assumptions based on hearsay and observations of behaviors which could, in fact, have any number of underlying causes. Besides which, at least in a U.S court of law, since Richie has yet to tell his side of the story, the case couldn't be closed anyway.

Not that any of that matters to me. The belief that someone is innocent until proven guilty is one of my core values. As far as I'm concerned, that principle applies whether I'm in a court of law or not.

Does any of that make the conclusions drawn by "everyone on this board" wrong? Absolutely not. I have never said they are. You and "everyone" else might be 100% correct. I don't deny that. I don't even disagree with a lot of what you all say. I just acknowledge the fact that there is also a possibility that your conclusions could just as easily prove to be 100% inaccurate. My bet is that the truth lies somewhere in between those extremes. Because "common sense" also tells us that things are seldom as they seem on the surface and that the majority isn't always right (or always wrong), simply because they're the majority.

Believe me, I would never want to turn anything into a political discussion and I raise this point only for comparison. But using your logic, one could conclude that you are wrong about Trump being good for this country. From the discussions I've read, it seems that you're the Lone Ranger when it comes to supporting our president, while the majority of the people on this board disagree. So, still using your logic, they must be right about him being a corrupt idiot, and all the other negatives they spew about him. I mean, on the surface, it looks like "this entire board sees it and knows it, yet you're in some type of denial".

I personally don't agree with that assessment, because I think both sides make some valid points, and for my money, Trump is no better or worse than Hillary would have been. But if we're applying your logic, maybe I need to offer my condolences to you as well.

1. The reason why it's been brought up recently is because Jon spoke about it on Howard and debunked the "Long Tour Away From My Family" theory.

2. So okay, if you want to "pretend" this is a court of law. Richie has told his side of the story and represented himself which is (as most drug addicts would do) full of lies, misrepresented facts, and odd behavior. Jon has told his side which is "not about money, never had a fight, etc" and even swore on a stack of bibles... So there are facts Jackie!!! You don't need the Defendant to admit the crime. You just need 12 public jurors to convict them... Obviously Jovi Talk is not a court of law and we are not jurors looking for a unanimous decision, we can go with the vast majority... When Jon said that Richie needs to tell his side of the story, he means that Richie needs to "tell the truth"

Look, I'm sure they've had some creative differences or whatever but if Richie had a straight mind, he would have finished the tour. Not ruin a 30 year professional and personal relationship. The reason why Richie Sambora is where he is, is because of Jon Bon Jovi!!!! If it wasn't for Jon, he might be licking Gene Simmons' ass right now...

3. You say "I would never want to turn anything into a political discussion" but guess what? You just did!!!

First, comparing Richie Sambora's drug issues to Donald Trump aren't really one in the same.

Second, if 2 people don't agree on a political topic, it doesn't mean that every unrelated topic after needs to follow that same fate... The same people can agree and disagree on various topics so you're not really making any sense there unless you are looking for excuses to get off topic because you know you are losing this battle...

Third, it's okay to not like Trump and think he's crazy or whatever... I do get where Trump is coming from. Trump's personality is very much like a Howard Stern. There is a lot of sarcasms in there but at the end of the day, I actually do believe he cares. It took Howard 35 years for people to like him and I think Trump will get there within the next SEVEN years... But regardless, I could accept people not liking him... However, lets not deny the fact that within Trumps first year:
1. ILLEGAL Immigration has already been cut in half even without the wall
2. It's getting increasingly difficult for potential terrorists to fly into our airports
3. Law Enforcement and Military are being respected once again
4. Our enemies don't push us around anymore
5. Our economy and market has been pulling in all time high numbers...

This is all in ONE Year!!! While the already powerless and useless opposition party offers nothing but pure hatred and the same old playbook which has been rejected time and time again...

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